Chest & Shoulders Together/ Not Smart!!!!!

[punch]

Let me first start by saying that I am NOT an advocate of doing pushing and pulling movements together. That being said, Chest together w/ shoulders has to be one of the worst ideas around. I am speaking from experience of course. The other day as an experiment, my partner and I tried this workout and i was horrible. We started with chest first then shoulders. When it came time to do shoulder presses I could only do 1/2 the weight I normally could doing shoulders alone. Why do this? Why would anyone who is trying to gain muscle have one of their bodyparts suffer at the expense of another? In this sport that is very counterproductive. ALL MAJOR BODY PARTS SHOULD BE DONE BY THEMSELVES. If a smaller bodypart is added like tris/bis to a back or chest workout thats fine, but not two biggies together.

I consistantly see workouts posted on here where Chest/shoulders/tris are done in the same day. Does this make sense? I answer NO. In fact, in any application this workout does NOT seem like an ideal way to grow. For all the newbies on this board, my advice is to stick with working major bodyparts alone, period. Not only from a physical point of view, but mentally you will grow much faster and stronger.

 

[endpoint]

Wouldnt it be just like pre exhaustion?.
Your tris would be buggered from the chest so when you get to your shoulders....the shoulders will have to do more work because of the dead tris.


What about something like this.work the chest with bench flat/incline, flyes....then only do lateral raises and front raises for the sholders.

to me that works fine.....but the only problem is that you have done no pressing for sholders....which to me is essential.

Personally shoulders are done on a separate day to the chest.

but the problem is your front deltoid is worked twice a week(1 with bench press 2 with shoulder press)......which doenst seem to be hampering my progress

I think people new to lifting should stick with the upperbody/lower body work outs......then move onto the major body parts with time
but thats just my personal opinion.

I agree that working one major bodypart is benifical mentally.
After a work out...you can look back knowing you worked the muscle to its fullest and not be worried that the weights you were lifting had been hampered by the other body part that day.

 

[Tuna Guy]

why not do shoulders before chest if having a good shoulder press is so important or just stick some lateral raises both standing and bent over onto the end of your chest workout. I dont do it personally but i quite like the idea of chest and shoulders together.

 

[punch]

To get big shoulders you need to do heavy shoulder presses. Benching during chest will not sufficiently work your delts. Laterals may create a broader appearance if someone is facing you but once you move to the side youll fade like the sun at sunset. It is for this reason that shoulders and chest together are like oil & water, THEY DONT MIX!!!!!

 

[Tuna Guy]

Why do you have to do heavy shoulder presses to get big shoulders?

 

[punch]

Shoulder presses add girth to the delt area. Additionally it is a compound movement which has shaped some of the biggest shoulders in the bodybuilding industry. I would be suprised if you could show me any pro bodybuilder who built huge shoulders WITHOUT the use of shoulder presses. Also the benefits of shoulder presses filter down into your bench by strengthening and utilizing similar stabilizer muscles.

 

[the-juggernaut]

presses..

shoulder presses hit front delts too much for me,,i like the upright rows better that hits the whole delts traps and biceps,,much better excerse.....

 

[bignate73]

haha. i know many bodybuilders that do their whole upper body on one day. thats right. whole thing.

1 bodypart a day is alright for some, especially an intermediate, but once someone knows what works for them...the volume required is reduced.

even big/small days are too much because people have a tendency to do more than is required.

once someone learns what works for them, they can hit a large bodypart in 6-8 sets easily.

just a thought. a 5 day routine is not superior or even ideal. time spent outside the gym is growth time. if you can stimulate enough in less time, you have more time to recover.

 

[punch]

Are we talking natural or on the sauce. If it is the latter I agree that you could hit upperbody all in one day, maybe. Natural however, no way. I have been natural for over 11 years and lift heavy for not being on AS and I have never been able to do all upper body in one day without another suffering. I agree that time out of the gym is recovery time thats why I hit each bodypart once every seven days, but make no mistake, the way I hit each bodypart I need that entire week to recupe, LOL.

 

[GenetiKing]

I agree. I'm not a big advocate of that workout either. Anatomically, the shoulder/chest workout makes sense. Functionally, however, it's a disaster... for me at least.