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[kronk]

Nelson, this is an off topic question but since this whole thread is off topic I thought I would ask. Did you really have ab etching to pronounce your abdominals?

 

[kronk]

Forget it, I guess you did have it done. Nadler is a great doc and I have heard great things. Please keep in mind I only wanted to ask because I read it on that other post and wanted to see if it was true.

http://www.t-mag.com/html/body_65abs.html

 

[Fonz]

Forget it, I guess you did have it done. Nadler is a great doc and I have heard great things. Please keep in mind I only wanted to ask becuase I read it on that other post and wanted to see if it was true.

http://www.t-mag.com/html/body_65abs.html

LMFAO

That is like the pinnacle of ironies when you take into consideration his "amazing" ab-routine......lol

Forgot about that one.....haha

Fonz

 

[jubei]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Yeah nelson your "ab routine" is the best...

 

[poantrex]

LMFAO!!!!

I got abs by doing tons of cardio regularly! NO DRUGS AND NO AB ETCHING!

Of course we all know cardio is worthless and does nothing to burn fat though , right!

 

[BigAndy69]

I think he really believes the crap he espouses.

This is the problem, he doesn't. There's no way he beleives that protein cannot be absorbed without the presence of fat.

It's a simple marketing strategy.

Make bold statements with no backing
Smart members don't buy it
Twist it around to make it into personal attacks

Makes him look like the underdog, like he is making statements that are too advanced for us to accept. Newbies buys into it, purchase his book.

Truth is he knows no more than the average elitefitness member about BBing and anabolics. If he did, he wouldn't have to resort to this.

Fonz is arrogant, no doubt, but through the years he has provided a lot of original ideas, tested UG products, etc...he contributes greatly. NM knows his shit about supplement company scams, that's about it.

If he didn't make this website money, he would have been out of here a long time ago

 

[DaddyX]

i stayed out of this for one reason. all nelson does is stir up controversy cause it sells. it is not hard to see that and it's actually a smart thing to do on his part

 

[Silent Method]

What's a "new" discovery? Something that hasn't been done before, hence the term "new" and "discovery."

Focus. You're either dodging, misunderstanding, or are unable to understand my question. Let's run through it again.

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Originally posted by Nelson Montana
i discovered alternate routes, MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PRAISED ON THIS VERY BOARD such as the ab exercise, and the calve routine and many other concepts.
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SM: "I'm curious, what concepts related to your ab and calf routines are new discoveries?"


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Originally posted by Nelson Montana
Silent; Suddenly you're curious to hear my methods? Let's just say that it's doubtful you'll find tha ab exercise anywhere else. Considereing the fact that there are hundreds of ab articles every year, that's saying something. Do a search . Dozens of people on this board have gotten great results from the calve routine, but what does it matter? You already know everything and I know nothing. Remember
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SM: "Ease up there big boy. First, I'm always curious to see different methods.


Regardless, that is not what I asked. You sated "i discovered alternate routes, MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PRAISED ON THIS VERY BOARD such as the ab exercise, and the calve routine and many other concepts."

I asked, I'm curious, what concepts related to your ab and calf routines are new discoveries?"






BTW Nelson, you never addressed my post #306 in the thread. Come on, get your head in the game. We've got all the time in the world.



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Originally posted by Nelson Montana
I understand what you're saying about the last set but I still maintain it isn't a very accurate gauge. It's like the HIT one set to failure concept. Well, what is failure? If you can do another set one minute later are you REALLY exausted? It's too hard to say for certain.
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This is certainly a better notion then those you had posted before. However, you're still a bit cloudy.

Look, these are some principles of exercise physiology we must understand:

*Exercise is a single acute bout of physical exertion requiring energy expenditure beyond regular daily physical activity. (For athletes, the intensity of energy expenditure during exercise is significantly elevated and exercise session are highly structured - making actual "exercise" bouts easy to identify.)

*Exercise disrupts the dynamic equilibruim of the body. These homeostatic disruptions are cumulatively the body's exercise response.

*In large part, exercise response patterns can be gauged. If they could not be, the body would make no differentiation in function between exercise and non-exercise - there would not be exercise physiology.


Now, what are we trying to gauge? You brought up the notion of the "un-gaugeable" interval between exercise and post-exercise in specific regard to glycogen resynthesis a couple pages back. Lets roll with that.

One answer is simple: Glycogen synthase. The level of the very enzyme responsible for glycogen resynthesis is floating around in enormous quantities during that 15 minute post-exercise window (and in lesser but still abnormally high abundance up to an hour after exercise).



OK, enough from the glycogen replenishment aspect - how does this relate to muscle growth? Again, analyze exercise response. Read what has already been posted in this thread. In the most simple terms I can muster: Exercise -> catabolism + 4:1 high GI/high BV protein -> anabolism.




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Originally posted by Nelson Montana
You said the meaningful thing mentioned in this entire thread. (And Silent Method should take note) You said the evidence suggests that it PROBABLY increases the chance of muscle growth. You are so right! All I'M saying is that I believe from my experiences and observations that it PROBABLY isn't that much of a difference.
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This is fine. I have no problem with this. I do have a problem with much of the nonsense you had put forth in argument before getting to this point.



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Originally posted by Nelson Montana
Also (and this is important), why do coaches enploy these methods with cyclists and swimmers and runners? BECAUSE THEY ARE ENDURENCE ATHLETES WHO MUST DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO GET AS MUCH ENERGY AS POSSIBLE. I would do the same exact thing if I were training a swimmer or a cyclists.
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From the glycogen resynthesis perspective you keep coming back to you are largely correct in this point. Read what I have already posted on this thread – way back. After a bout of anaerobic exercise such as a weight training session, the body needs very little help in regard to glycogen resynthesis. (In terms of glycogen replenishment, high GI carbs shine following aerobic, higher duration exercise.)


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Originally posted by Nelson Montana
But that has NOTHING to do with muscle growth!!!

I think we're finally in agreement here .

One last thing. Not every observation is documented on the net. I'll bet you can't find an single references on the net that an apple is red. But it is. The same goes with this. My experience, both personal and with clients and from speaking with athletes of all levels (which is extensive) tells me, that a high GI post workout as opposed to a low GI carb, fifteen minutes after or 25 minutes after , shows no discernable difference in MUSCLE GROWTH. This is the point of contention that Silent could not comprehend, but instead he chose to harp on it and harp on it. I'm willing accept that he doesn't get it and move on, but he insists on trying to make me out as incompetant and that pisses me off. I know it shouldn't because e's just a jerk, but I have a little too much pride somethimes.
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Again, you are limiting yourself to concerns of glycogen. The concept of anabolic drive is quite real. Any athlete knows this – and for bodybuilders it is an obsession. The post-exercise recovery shake I have recommended in this thread WILL catapult an athlete from a catabolic post-exercise state to a strong anabolic state. This has everything to do with muscle growth.

Now, if you wish to debate the degree to which this will actually affect muscle growth, fine. As a piece of the “anabolic” puzzle, I believe it will yield a significant advantage over time. Men like Dr. Michael Colgan, the world’s premier authority on sports nutrition, believe it and have measured it. The elite athletes they train have seen it for themselves.

Nelson, what kind of clients have you tried the 4:1 High GI carb/High BV protein shake with? Did you have a control group with similar stats training and eating in otherwise identical ways? For how many months were they engaged in the systematic testing of the proposed recovery meal? How about years? Places like the Colgan Institute track this stuff. They, and others, say it works.



Playing off of genarr's post, I readily concede that precise, stopwatch timing of the post-recovery meal is quite unnecessary. The recovery meal is not rocket science. Following exercise the body is in a state ripe for the utilization of the nutrients. With time, normal equilibrium returns and the introduction of the recovery meal is less adventageous.

Like you said - what we do is a marathon of years, not a single day. This is exactly what the post-exercise recovery shake fits so well with us. It's easy as hell for most of us to utilize, made correctly it tastes good, and, over the course of time, it works!

 

[NeIson Montana]

FIRST of all, I’m sick of this thread. So fucking what if I made another name on the board to agree with my self? Nobody else agreed with me so I had to do it my self, fuck it I’m a guru.

SECOND...I have a book and you all don’t, so you all should buy it . My book is filled with great stuff. I discuss my great ab routine, but please please pleaseeeee disregard that crap about me getting surgery done by some doc to make my abs look decent...it was all the result of my NEW DISCOVERY ab routine, yep you better belive all the stuff in my book...

THIRD...I endorse and recommend that you all buy the stuff from protein factory because they make good stuff. To the haters that say they lie about the amounts of the stuff they put in their stuffs, I say so what if they lie...who doesn’t, do they have to put that on their label too “accuracy of the potency 25%”?? And you all should disregard the fact that they went to court over it and lost and stuff and looked like liars and stuff because my friend the owner Mr. Alex got real mad over it so don’t talk about that or he’ll go in to a whey protein rage and break stuff…but I don’t think it will be that bad cause his whey is underdosed…oops you didn’t hear that from meeeeee.

FOURTH...Please don’t debate me or I will call you an IDIOT and put you down with out defending my false claims. Because I’ve published stuff and you all haven’t so I’m right and your wrong... lets just leave it at that. It’s the easiest way for me to defend my self and stuff…

FIFTH...I’m like 50 years old and stuff, so please show me some respect. I’ve been a model, a singer, an artist, and a ton of other things none of you can say you’ve done all that...plus I have another 20 - 30 years to live I might fly to the moon some day and write a book about it and stuff…

SIXTH...I’m a guru not many of you can say that about your self. I’ve trained every big name out there, its true, they all bought my book and got real big and strong and won championships and trophies and got lots of money and stuff. That Dan Dookie guy was my friend and I told him everything to write in his books, that was before I learned how to use a typewriter. After that he disappeared and didn’t write any more books because I began to write my own so he had no material to write about since I didn’t give him any. Some people think he’s dead and that’s the reason why he’s not publishing any more but its really because I stopped giving him all the good info im giving you all in my books…

So the moral of this story is buy my books, do all the stuffs I tell you to do, eat all the protein that my friend Alex makes (ladies he makes an excellent cum shake with 32g of protein, Ive had it my self), and umm I think you’ll get big and stuff. And if your lucky and stuff, you can become governor of California like one of the champions that I trained…I cant say his name because of confidentiality issues but he’s big and stuff…


Thanks Guys

 

[Silent Method]

FOURTH...Please don’t debate me or I will call you an IDIOT and put you down with out defending my false claims.

LOL This is about what it boils down to. (I wonder how long your account is going to last with that name and sig )