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The_Eviscerator said:


5' 10" (never changes), 215 lbs... 7-8%BF.

You don't gain ANY height on your cycles? I always get a good 2" taller and then lose the height gains when I come off ;)

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No its mixing protien shakes with cream or better yet throw in a stick of butter.

Wait a second why the fuck would I do that when I can go to Mcdonalds and get the caloric equivelant from a quarter pounder with cheese.
 
Jesus sweet ever-loving FUCK! I cant believe that I just read this post for the first time! The whole 11 pages ... probably took me almost a half hour. I feel fuckin wiped!!

This was like a big story unfolding. So what is going to happen next. You guys have to put some kinda closure to this? It seems like it was going in this direction near the end. Yes there were some gang ups, then there seemed to be some truths coming out.

I will make 1 comment. This is to you Nelson. I have never had a problem with you before, and I am not taking anyones side here. I usually enjoy reading your posts for the most part, they do get me thinking "outside the box" sometimes.

"Take your pick -- Socrates, Pasteur, Van Gogh, Stravinsky...all rejected. They were the ones who thought differently. They were the "trouble makers."

Yes ... it does take people like this to make new breakthrough discoveries. Look at Christopher Columbus for example. When he proposed to reach India by sailing west from Spain, he KNEW that the Earth was round. India was the source of precious spices and other rare goods, but reaching it by sailing east was difficlut, becaus Africa blocked the way. On a round globe, however, it he thought it should be possibel to reach India by sailing west, and this was wat Columbus proposed to do (FYI ... he wasn't the first one to suggest this).

Columbus first saw the islands of the "new world", landing in the Bahamas. Later in the month, he sailed to Cuba, and to Hispaniola (now Haiti). He thought he had reached the East Indies, the islands off Southeast Asia (silly columbus).

Contrary to popular belief, most educated individuals in the 15th century, and especially sailors, already knew that teh earth was round. What was not realised by Columbs, however, was just how big a globe it was. Columbus seriously understimated the size of the planet.

What I am trying to get at here is that these people at the time didnt try to prove these points for the sake of going against what others thought. But most importantly what I am trying to ge at, is that these great people with great breakthrough discoveries have MADE MISTAKES! They have often learned through trial and error, and sometimes it took them many tries and had to look at many different views of others to come up with their theories.

Am I suggesting that you be a little more open minded and take in what others may have to say or share? Well ... thats ultimately up to you to decide.

I am not taking any sides on this stupid argument. But ... it really does take a bigger man to acknowledge that he may be wrong or that others may be right. Sometimes you need to do this to grow intellectually and see the big picture. I am not saying to fess up to something that you dont believe in, but if you really do think that others may have a better point, it is a much more respected point to give credit where it belongs. If you honestly dont, then by all means hold your ground. I think that you should just try to see where other people are coming from sometimes. Give them a chance to explain.

Fuck ... sorry for the long ass reply, but after reading all of that I sure dont care. Just had to give my opinion after putting the energy in to read that.

Mavy
 
Can't much add anything to Mavy's s statement above. Very diplomatically put.
 
Mavy hits the nail on the head!

But I must ask this:

Why is that statement directed just to me?

Wh can't others keep an open mind as well as to what I say?

The truth of the matter is, most of my methodologies are not from some supreme scientific expertise (as others claim to have) but from good old trial and error. If others disagree, that's their perogative. But it is not their perogative to berate another human being. THAT was the problem with this thread. The actual difference of opinion is secondary. Regardless who you may side with, or who is even wrong or right, I believe Fonz stepped over the line of decency. No one else sees that? I'd rather be dead wrong than speak in a manner that he finds acceptable. It's sickening. But hopefully one day he'll grow up.

And a final note to Fonz: It took you 4 months of research to find that site and cut and paste the information???

Oh, you mean you had a blood test and 4 months later you had another. I've done that too and posted the results. So have others. It's not like you discovered penicillin you know.

You attack the simplicity of my posts yet defend your own posts that lack scientific explanations. Interesting. Then again, it's all about you , isn't it?

Look man, I don't care what you think of me or my ideas, but what do you say we just stay out of each other's way? It seems like you wait until a thread gets heated and then you come on with the insults and tell everybody how brilliant you are. It's getting old already. It offers nothing. Just go back to your little "cut and paste" posts that so many people seem to like and don't bother me and I won't bother you. Deal?
 
Nelson Montana said:
Mavy hits the nail on the head!

But I must ask this:

Why is that statement directed just to me?

Wh can't others keep an open mind as well as to what I say?

The truth of the matter is, most of my methodologies are not from some supreme scientific expertise (as others claim to have) but from good old trial and error. If others disagree, that's their perogative. But it is not their perogative to berate another human being. THAT was the problem with this thread. The actual difference of opinion is secondary. Regardless who you may side with, or who is even wrong or right, I believe Fonz stepped over the line of decency. No one else sees that? I'd rather be dead wrong than speak in a manner that he finds acceptable. It's sickening. But hopefully one day he'll grow up.

And a final note to Fonz: It took you 4 months of research to find that site and cut and paste the information???

Oh, you mean you had a blood test and 4 months later you had another. I've done that too and posted the results. So have others. It's not like you discovered penicillin you know.

You attack the simplicity of my posts yet defend your own posts that lack scientific explanations. Interesting. Then again, it's all about you , isn't it?

Look man, I don't care what you think of me or my ideas, but what do you say we just stay out of each other's way? It seems like you wait until a thread gets heated and then you come on with the insults and tell everybody how brilliant you are. It's getting old already. It offers nothing. Just go back to your little "cut and paste" posts that so many people seem to like and don't bother me and I won't bother you. Deal?

I'm an engineer by profession Nelson. I dedicate myself to solving problems. Same thing applies here. You on the other hand are a writer with little knowledge of what he's talking about. If what I've been reading is true, you've done 2 pea-sized cycles yet you claim to be the "Guru" when it comes to AAS usage.
Now that I find quite hilarious. I might have a lot of knowledge when it comes to the science behind AAS, but I always pay attention to those people who have decades of experience regarding AAS. Over the years, I've learned a lot from them.
You on the other hand, have zero experience and zero scientific knowledge.......it just doesn't get worse than that IMO. Componding this problem even further, is the fact that you have a rather large propensity to not learn anything because you redefine the term narrow-minded. You just don't listen to anyone.

Anyways,

This is the chain of thoughts that went through my head for the cholesterol post:

1. Cholesterol levels are high while on AAS

2. Supplements A,B,C,D,E, and F have been shown to have an effect on cholesterol levels.

3. Take a pre-supplement blood test.

4. Measure the statistical variances that each supplement has on my cholesterol levels.

5. Eliminate the supplements that show little variance.

6. Stay on the one supplement that shows the highest statistical variance for a period of time.

7. Take another blood test and contrast to pre-supplement blood test.

See, the inherent problem here...is you have nothing else to do except sit on your ass all day long on the internet and bitch and moan, and call people names when they disagree with you. I attend grad school and I also play competitive soccer....so my free time is extremely limited.

The fact that I gave up my free time to do this test should give you a small inkling of what it means to actually have a passion for the sport(Or physiological enhancement in general). You certainly don't. You're just a greedy old man that thinks insulting me is going to get you anywhere. Its not. It'll simply get you banned faster. So please keep at it. The funny part is you don't even realize you're digging your own grave, which in retrospect is not exactly surprising considering your abrasive personality.

Fonz
 
Silent Method--

Yep. I agree with that advice.

One factor that has not really been addressed thogoughly in this entire debate is the issue of the time window. It is just as important to consider that the feeding in question be consumed within a certain time frame after the workout. Fifteen minutes tops, and five is best, if I remember correctly?

Maybe you could elaborate on this aspect a bit?
 
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