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Pros - The heavy training CAN help you retain as much size as possible while you are restricting calories in a typical "cutting fashion". Many people equate cutting with doing high reps which only makes them look stringy and flat.

Cons - Dropping the calories down while continue to train heavy can tap into the CNS more aggressively and may lead to overtraining where all gains come to a halt. And there can be a risk of injury by working a muscle heavy over and over while only feeding it a minimum amount of nutrients to repair itself.

If you want to incorporate 5x5 training with leaning up, I would suggest it to be like this :

Divide your prep time into two parts. The first half you will continue to eat the same amount of food. But CLEAN food. Nothing out of a bag or box. Complex carbs only before 2PM and carbs from leafy greens afterwards. No carbs of any kind past 8PM. (Assuming your life follows the usual 9-5 routine). During this time your fat loss will come a little from the training itself, but also from INTENSE 15 minutes cardio afterwards. I don't mean riding the bike. Wind sprints. Pounding the boxing bag in the gym. 15 minutes nonstop basketball hoop shooting with 5 suicides after each miss.

Second half of your prep you will still follow the 5x5 system, but here you will DECREASE the cardio. Still 15 minutes post training, but this time on the treadmill at a brisk walk. You will lower the calories by eliminating carbs first at this time. You will have prepped your body in the first half here to get ready to shed the fat, now you will be actually shedding it via diet as opposed to burning it through cardio.

GR8 response AAP and much thanks bro.
Ok when you say cutting cals to a minimum, that is not exactly my plan. I was thinking maintinance level for a given body wieght, is that what you are talking about, as opposed to a deficit cal diet?

In the fist half you are talking about Tabata type of cardio? I know that system says 10 mins and you say 15 mins, but still meaning all out effort is this correct?

Any commnets on the "supps" I was considering, or maybe something diff alltogether diff?
 
here is a weird question and I brung this up before but am curious to hear your opinion. why do you think so many young noobs run deca as a first cycle?

Old School Popularity.

It's been around forever and has name recognition. Remember when Bill The Shill Philips claimed that HMB "feels just like deca"?

It's just something that won't go away. Unlike your dick when you take it.
 
I love this thread! Hi AAPIm curently 12weeks into 5x5 and for the next 12 weeks I'm going to be cutting at the same time I've never done any direct ab work what's the best way to add this into 5x5 eg daily or in one session also the best way to build abs.


Thank you

Donna

Fast, furious, and frantic sex sessions are the best ab exercises you can do.

Seriously though, 4 years in high school + 4 years in college my swim coaches had us doing ab drills 3x weekly year around. I have not done ab work since I was 24 and out of school for 2 years.

If I had to do it again, I would simply do it at home while the tv was on. Every time commercials came on, 50 reps crunches and 50 reps knee ups.

But keep in mind that abs are muscles too. Heavy and low reps will cause them to thicken and thus, push the fat surrounding them out even further. I would concentrate on reps around 30-50 put with perfect form and contractions. If you are not getting a contraction on every rep, you are simply doing the exercise wrong or just jerking your upper body up and down and wasting time. 3x a week at home would be enough. Crunches, knee ups, leg raises, frog kicks, planks, etc... or go online and download the P90X or whatever it is called Ab Ripper routine. That is a damn killer.
 
Old School Popularity.

It's been around forever and has name recognition. Remember when Bill The Shill Philips claimed that HMB "feels just like deca"?

It's just something that won't go away. Unlike your dick when you take it.

name recognition i agree with that 100%.

the word DECA is probably the #1 used word in gyms when I talk to other juicers.
 
GR8 response AAP and much thanks bro.
Ok when you say cutting cals to a minimum, that is not exactly my plan. I was thinking maintinance level for a given body wieght, is that what you are talking about, as opposed to a deficit cal diet?

In the fist half you are talking about Tabata type of cardio? I know that system says 10 mins and you say 15 mins, but still meaning all out effort is this correct?

Any commnets on the "supps" I was considering, or maybe something diff alltogether diff?

Remember surplus calories = your body stores (or craps out)
Calorie reduction = your body uses and looks for other sources (fat and protein break down) to get the energy it needs.

Not sure what Tabata is. If I had to guess, I would say it is a more butch version of Billy Banks Taebo. I hope not. But just something that really jacks your metabolism up very fast. None of this duration type like half hour on the bike. Something that in 2 minutes you are sweating and breathing hard.

For supps, I honestly don't think a better cycle than 100mg test prop + 200mg Primo EOD for lean muscle gains exists. Notice I said LEAN muscle gains. Because if you are not gaining muscle you are gaining fat and water. Yuck.
 
Haha yeah ill be lucky if i get it once a week lol ,Great response AAP thanks for that I will download that and will be rockin those abs come summer.
Many thanks

Donna
 
Much thanks bro. Appreciate your time and thoughts.
K to you dude!
 
name recognition i agree with that 100%.

the word DECA is probably the #1 used word in gyms when I talk to other juicers.

Especially in the sauna. It's easier and more polite to tell a guy that you can't get it up for him because of that "damn Deca" instead of telling the truth "you just ugly bitch."
 
OK, everyone says too much cardio burns muscle. But I want to improve my fitness so I can compete in kickboxing conpetitions, I wanna be a whirlwind for 3 x 2 minute rounds! At the moment I'm a whirlwind for about a minute then turn into a mild breeze..... Any suggestions?
 
especially in the sauna. It's easier and more polite to tell a guy that you can't get it up for him because of that "damn deca" instead of telling the truth "you just ugly bitch."

lmao
killa funny bro!
 
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