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Well hell what a guy bro!

What are your thoughts on a 5x5 in conjunction with a super clean diet for cutting. I know that typically a 5x5 is a mass and strength program. However for someone that is strong and on the heavy side I think it could be a hell of a cutter too given the diet side of the equation. Toward the second half of the 12 week program I would consider introducing test e 250 and NPP 100. The test to help with the strength since the diet will be restricted and the NPP for help in the strength and joints depts.
Discuss.:evil:
 
What's up!!!

Bout to be starting my first cycle in a few weeks and was wondering if it's a good idea to run an AI like Arimidex on cycle all the way through, half way in, or have it on hand if any estrogen issues come about? I'm finding conflicting info on this and I'm hearing if I run it on cycle it will hinder gains later on! Is this true? And if it is a good idea to take how much would you suggest to be sufficient? Thank you
 
What do you recommend for someone that has been doing a 3 day split routine and wants to change it up. I have been doing a standard Chest/Tricep, Back/Biceps,Shoulders/Legs and abs routine for years and looking for a change. I looked into the 5x5 program with Zed however Im not sure that would give me the isolation exercises I am wanting to focus on such as Bi's Tri"s etc: Thanks AAP
 
Well hell what a guy bro!

What are your thoughts on a 5x5 in conjunction with a super clean diet for cutting. I know that typically a 5x5 is a mass and strength program. However for someone that is strong and on the heavy side I think it could be a hell of a cutter too given the diet side of the equation. Toward the second half of the 12 week program I would consider introducing test e 250 and NPP 100. The test to help with the strength since the diet will be restricted and the NPP for help in the strength and joints depts.
Discuss.:evil:


Pros - The heavy training CAN help you retain as much size as possible while you are restricting calories in a typical "cutting fashion". Many people equate cutting with doing high reps which only makes them look stringy and flat.

Cons - Dropping the calories down while continue to train heavy can tap into the CNS more aggressively and may lead to overtraining where all gains come to a halt. And there can be a risk of injury by working a muscle heavy over and over while only feeding it a minimum amount of nutrients to repair itself.

If you want to incorporate 5x5 training with leaning up, I would suggest it to be like this :

Divide your prep time into two parts. The first half you will continue to eat the same amount of food. But CLEAN food. Nothing out of a bag or box. Complex carbs only before 2PM and carbs from leafy greens afterwards. No carbs of any kind past 8PM. (Assuming your life follows the usual 9-5 routine). During this time your fat loss will come a little from the training itself, but also from INTENSE 15 minutes cardio afterwards. I don't mean riding the bike. Wind sprints. Pounding the boxing bag in the gym. 15 minutes nonstop basketball hoop shooting with 5 suicides after each miss.

Second half of your prep you will still follow the 5x5 system, but here you will DECREASE the cardio. Still 15 minutes post training, but this time on the treadmill at a brisk walk. You will lower the calories by eliminating carbs first at this time. You will have prepped your body in the first half here to get ready to shed the fat, now you will be actually shedding it via diet as opposed to burning it through cardio.
 
What's up!!!

Bout to be starting my first cycle in a few weeks and was wondering if it's a good idea to run an AI like Arimidex on cycle all the way through, half way in, or have it on hand if any estrogen issues come about? I'm finding conflicting info on this and I'm hearing if I run it on cycle it will hinder gains later on! Is this true? And if it is a good idea to take how much would you suggest to be sufficient? Thank you

Keep it on hand in case you need it.

Think of it like this, if you go on a cruise, you don't walk around wearing your life vest the entire week do you? But should that ship start sinking you don't want to be caught without one. Same thing here.

That is AI advice in general. More specific, I would suggest you skip the Adex. Get yourself some Nolvadex 20mg ED first and Aromasin EOD second. If you start getting issues, try the Nolvadex first and if it is clearing in a week or so, then switch to Aromasin.

I said if you have ISSUES. Issues are like gyno becoming evident, etc.. I don't mean you are using the AI to try to shed some water you are holding because you are eating two dozen buffalo wings for lunch each day.
 
What do you recommend for someone that has been doing a 3 day split routine and wants to change it up. I have been doing a standard Chest/Tricep, Back/Biceps,Shoulders/Legs and abs routine for years and looking for a change. I looked into the 5x5 program with Zed however Im not sure that would give me the isolation exercises I am wanting to focus on such as Bi's Tri"s etc: Thanks AAP

Do you mean 3 days per week or 3 days before starting the training cycle over? Like 3 days per week would mean each bodypart getting worked once, where as with the other one, each would be getting worked at least twice in a week.
I work out a total of 6 days a week hitting each body part twice a week.. Thanks pal
 
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I love this thread! Hi AAPIm curently 12weeks into 5x5 and for the next 12 weeks I'm going to be cutting at the same time I've never done any direct ab work what's the best way to add this into 5x5 eg daily or in one session also the best way to build abs.


Thank you

Donna
 
Pros - The heavy training CAN help you retain as much size as possible while you are restricting calories in a typical "cutting fashion". Many people equate cutting with doing high reps which only makes them look stringy and flat.

Cons - Dropping the calories down while continue to train heavy can tap into the CNS more aggressively and may lead to overtraining where all gains come to a halt. And there can be a risk of injury by working a muscle heavy over and over while only feeding it a minimum amount of nutrients to repair itself.

If you want to incorporate 5x5 training with leaning up, I would suggest it to be like this :

Divide your prep time into two parts. The first half you will continue to eat the same amount of food. But CLEAN food. Nothing out of a bag or box. Complex carbs only before 2PM and carbs from leafy greens afterwards. No carbs of any kind past 8PM. (Assuming your life follows the usual 9-5 routine). During this time your fat loss will come a little from the training itself, but also from INTENSE 15 minutes cardio afterwards. I don't mean riding the bike. Wind sprints. Pounding the boxing bag in the gym. 15 minutes nonstop basketball hoop shooting with 5 suicides after each miss.

Second half of your prep you will still follow the 5x5 system, but here you will DECREASE the cardio. Still 15 minutes post training, but this time on the treadmill at a brisk walk. You will lower the calories by eliminating carbs first at this time. You will have prepped your body in the first half here to get ready to shed the fat, now you will be actually shedding it via diet as opposed to burning it through cardio.

GR8 response AAP and much thanks bro.
Ok when you say cutting cals to a minimum, that is not exactly my plan. I was thinking maintinance level for a given body wieght, is that what you are talking about, as opposed to a deficit cal diet?

In the fist half you are talking about Tabata type of cardio? I know that system says 10 mins and you say 15 mins, but still meaning all out effort is this correct?

Any commnets on the "supps" I was considering, or maybe something diff alltogether diff?
 
here is a weird question and I brung this up before but am curious to hear your opinion. why do you think so many young noobs run deca as a first cycle?

Old School Popularity.

It's been around forever and has name recognition. Remember when Bill The Shill Philips claimed that HMB "feels just like deca"?

It's just something that won't go away. Unlike your dick when you take it.
 
I love this thread! Hi AAPIm curently 12weeks into 5x5 and for the next 12 weeks I'm going to be cutting at the same time I've never done any direct ab work what's the best way to add this into 5x5 eg daily or in one session also the best way to build abs.


Thank you

Donna

Fast, furious, and frantic sex sessions are the best ab exercises you can do.

Seriously though, 4 years in high school + 4 years in college my swim coaches had us doing ab drills 3x weekly year around. I have not done ab work since I was 24 and out of school for 2 years.

If I had to do it again, I would simply do it at home while the tv was on. Every time commercials came on, 50 reps crunches and 50 reps knee ups.

But keep in mind that abs are muscles too. Heavy and low reps will cause them to thicken and thus, push the fat surrounding them out even further. I would concentrate on reps around 30-50 put with perfect form and contractions. If you are not getting a contraction on every rep, you are simply doing the exercise wrong or just jerking your upper body up and down and wasting time. 3x a week at home would be enough. Crunches, knee ups, leg raises, frog kicks, planks, etc... or go online and download the P90X or whatever it is called Ab Ripper routine. That is a damn killer.
 
Old School Popularity.

It's been around forever and has name recognition. Remember when Bill The Shill Philips claimed that HMB "feels just like deca"?

It's just something that won't go away. Unlike your dick when you take it.

name recognition i agree with that 100%.

the word DECA is probably the #1 used word in gyms when I talk to other juicers.
 
GR8 response AAP and much thanks bro.
Ok when you say cutting cals to a minimum, that is not exactly my plan. I was thinking maintinance level for a given body wieght, is that what you are talking about, as opposed to a deficit cal diet?

In the fist half you are talking about Tabata type of cardio? I know that system says 10 mins and you say 15 mins, but still meaning all out effort is this correct?

Any commnets on the "supps" I was considering, or maybe something diff alltogether diff?

Remember surplus calories = your body stores (or craps out)
Calorie reduction = your body uses and looks for other sources (fat and protein break down) to get the energy it needs.

Not sure what Tabata is. If I had to guess, I would say it is a more butch version of Billy Banks Taebo. I hope not. But just something that really jacks your metabolism up very fast. None of this duration type like half hour on the bike. Something that in 2 minutes you are sweating and breathing hard.

For supps, I honestly don't think a better cycle than 100mg test prop + 200mg Primo EOD for lean muscle gains exists. Notice I said LEAN muscle gains. Because if you are not gaining muscle you are gaining fat and water. Yuck.
 
Haha yeah ill be lucky if i get it once a week lol ,Great response AAP thanks for that I will download that and will be rockin those abs come summer.
Many thanks

Donna
 
Much thanks bro. Appreciate your time and thoughts.
K to you dude!
 
name recognition i agree with that 100%.

the word DECA is probably the #1 used word in gyms when I talk to other juicers.

Especially in the sauna. It's easier and more polite to tell a guy that you can't get it up for him because of that "damn Deca" instead of telling the truth "you just ugly bitch."
 
OK, everyone says too much cardio burns muscle. But I want to improve my fitness so I can compete in kickboxing conpetitions, I wanna be a whirlwind for 3 x 2 minute rounds! At the moment I'm a whirlwind for about a minute then turn into a mild breeze..... Any suggestions?
 
especially in the sauna. It's easier and more polite to tell a guy that you can't get it up for him because of that "damn deca" instead of telling the truth "you just ugly bitch."

lmao
killa funny bro!
 
OK, everyone says too much cardio burns muscle. But I want to improve my fitness so I can compete in kickboxing conpetitions, I wanna be a whirlwind for 3 x 2 minute rounds! At the moment I'm a whirlwind for about a minute then turn into a mild breeze..... Any suggestions?

Hey bro CS, how bout height, weight and bf%?
 
I love this thread! Hi AAPIm curently 12weeks into 5x5 and for the next 12 weeks I'm going to be cutting at the same time I've never done any direct ab work what's the best way to add this into 5x5 eg daily or in one session also the best way to build abs.


Thank you

Donna

AAP is probably the smartest guy on this board when it comes to training and everything dealing with cycles however he needs to post more up here. I miss his humor and intelligent threads. He has assisted me several times over the years with complex questions regarding dosings etc: I think the world of him..

Arabian
 
Could not have said it better bro!
 
OK, everyone says too much cardio burns muscle. But I want to improve my fitness so I can compete in kickboxing conpetitions, I wanna be a whirlwind for 3 x 2 minute rounds! At the moment I'm a whirlwind for about a minute then turn into a mild breeze..... Any suggestions?

Too much cardio burns muscle? Really? A properly fueled and rested muscle will be broken down by the body at what point? Is it after 20 minutes? After 23.7 minutes. 34 minutes, but only on Thursdays?

What about a muscle that isn't properly fueled and rested? Will it be broken down sooner? How much sooner?

Basically what it comes down to is that the body is an amazing machine and will respond to outside stimulation the way it has been programmed to since birth. You are not going to reprogram your body. That is impossible. What you can do is work WITH your body instead of AGAINST it to accomplish your goals in a way that is healthy and stress free.

Since your cardio is geared for stamina and not fat burning, don't feel bad about hitting some carbs prior to beginning. Don't do intense cardio post work out or first thing in the morning as stamina and endurance training will require a longer period and duration to have maximum effect. First thing in the morning and post workout is when your body is basically running on empty (in morning) and in a state of recovery (post training). The aminos, glucose, etc... in your body will be out of whack following training or an 8 hour fasting period. This is ideal for losing weight with short intense sessions that force the body to break down fat for energy. But at longer sessions it becomes counter productive.

Try incorporating your cardio on an EOD basis with no weight training at all that day. Maybe calves, abs, and stretching prior. Follow a generic drill format. 1 minute being an intense whirlwind followed by 5 minutes being a breeze, 1 minute rest. Back to 1 minute whirlwind, 5 minutes breeze. Repeat this cycle 4-5 times. After a couple of weeks, try to do it in the same way 1 minute whirlwind but this time only 3 minutes breeze. That way the intense sessions come more quickly. When you can do it 4-5 times in a cycle only resting that 1 minute in between cycles, then increase it up some, but in the same format. This time it would be 2 minutes whirlwind 5 minutes breeze 1 minute rest. Few weeks of this, adjust it like before. 2 minutes whirlwind, 3 minutes breeze, 1 minute rest.

Afterwards make sure you feed your body with BCAAs, fast acting carbs, and solid nutrients from clean food within 45 minutes.
 
Hey bro CS, how bout height, weight and bf%?

Oh yeah... thanks for reminding me bro!
height: 6'1"
weight: 117 kg - 257.4 kg
bf- 26%
 
best cycle for extremely gyno prone??

Primobolan
Anavar or Winstrol

Now whether that is the best stack for someone trying to put on muscle is a different question. Based on the condition of your avatar, I would suggest the prop/primo cycle I outlined earlier.

Gaining 3 lbs of lean muscle in 12 weeks will look a hell of a lot better than gaining 20lbs of body weight that is mostly fat and water in 12 weeks.

My goal has always been to make my muscles bigger, not my body.
 
Too much cardio burns muscle? Really? A properly fueled and rested muscle will be broken down by the body at what point? Is it after 20 minutes? After 23.7 minutes. 34 minutes, but only on Thursdays?

What about a muscle that isn't properly fueled and rested? Will it be broken down sooner? How much sooner?

Basically what it comes down to is that the body is an amazing machine and will respond to outside stimulation the way it has been programmed to since birth. You are not going to reprogram your body. That is impossible. What you can do is work WITH your body instead of AGAINST it to accomplish your goals in a way that is healthy and stress free.

Since your cardio is geared for stamina and not fat burning, don't feel bad about hitting some carbs prior to beginning. Don't do intense cardio post work out or first thing in the morning as stamina and endurance training will require a longer period and duration to have maximum effect. First thing in the morning and post workout is when your body is basically running on empty (in morning) and in a state of recovery (post training). The aminos, glucose, etc... in your body will be out of whack following training or an 8 hour fasting period. This is ideal for losing weight with short intense sessions that force the body to break down fat for energy. But at longer sessions it becomes counter productive.

Try incorporating your cardio on an EOD basis with no weight training at all that day. Maybe calves, abs, and stretching prior. Follow a generic drill format. 1 minute being an intense whirlwind followed by 5 minutes being a breeze, 1 minute rest. Back to 1 minute whirlwind, 5 minutes breeze. Repeat this cycle 4-5 times. After a couple of weeks, try to do it in the same way 1 minute whirlwind but this time only 3 minutes breeze. That way the intense sessions come more quickly. When you can do it 4-5 times in a cycle only resting that 1 minute in between cycles, then increase it up some, but in the same format. This time it would be 2 minutes whirlwind 5 minutes breeze 1 minute rest. Few weeks of this, adjust it like before. 2 minutes whirlwind, 3 minutes breeze, 1 minute rest.

Afterwards make sure you feed your body with BCAAs, fast acting carbs, and solid nutrients from clean food within 45 minutes.

Excellent! thanks a lot I'll get right on that. :)
 
Haha yeah ill be lucky if i get it once a week lol ,Great response AAP thanks for that I will download that and will be rockin those abs come summer.
Many thanks

Donna

I was puzzled why you would only get it once a week until I saw your location.

Those blokes over there are all arse over elbow about getting a bang on. If I were there, I would take those clothes off, give you the best ab workout of your life, test the decibel level of your voice, and Bob's your uncle.
 
Oh yeah... thanks for reminding me bro!
height: 6'1"
weight: 117 kg - 257.4 kg
bf- 26%


Work on this. Get this BF% down and you will be amazed at how much longer you can go. Just being heavy is enough to keep your body winded all day long having to haul itself around.
 
What is the best natty test booster to use.......

A beautiful naked woman. Or in my case a trick that wears the same size shoe as I do, because I get such a hard on just thinking about waiting until he falls asleep and stealing his shoes.

My next answer would have to be : another round of puberty.

Seriously though, my view on test boosters is a bit negative. I am skeptical that anything can boost you significantly and for a long time. If that were case, you would see these mega million pharmacy companies taking over it and advertising in Golf magazines. I think some things can temporarily boost your test levels for a short time, but after a while the effects are lost on the body and it doesn't respond like it did before.
 
I know gyno is unlikely when running a superdrol cycle, but it is possible!

What should you run to prevent the onset of gynecomastia symptoms (via prolactin effects)?
 
I know gyno is unlikely when running a superdrol cycle, but it is possible!

What should you run to prevent the onset of gynecomastia symptoms (via prolactin effects)?

People have always swore by different things when combating prolactin effects. In my opinion the best thing is to stop using whatever is causing it. Dostinex/Caber is a standard treatment. That is generally the most popular one that people report good feedback on. But that is like a bandaid and not a cure. Personally, I have never had any issue with it so have no first hand experience with trying to overcome it.

Look at it like this. It is well known that anti depressant meds cause erectile (ED) problems correct? Not too many people know that AD meds can also cause a sharp rise in prolactin as well in the body which contributes to this. (what does this really tell you?) Prolactin is what keeps you from having one orgasm and immediately starting to work on another. Generally the average male has to rest some and let the prolactin clear from the system before becoming aroused again. Prolactin is really a necessary evil. It is what makes your orgasm feels so good. Too much prolactin results in poor to nonexistent sex drive, increase in mammary glands, foul moods, depression, headaches, etc... you know the EXACT same effects that wedding cake has on women.

So why would anyone want to use something - steroid or not - that can cause such unhappiness in their lives and moods?
 
A beautiful naked woman. Or in my case a trick that wears the same size shoe as I do, because I get such a hard on just thinking about waiting until he falls asleep and stealing his shoes.

My next answer would have to be : another round of puberty.

Seriously though, my view on test boosters is a bit negative. I am skeptical that anything can boost you significantly and for a long time. If that were case, you would see these mega million pharmacy companies taking over it and advertising in Golf magazines. I think some things can temporarily boost your test levels for a short time, but after a while the effects are lost on the body and it doesn't respond like it did before.

you think this applies to women as well? Im not interested in juice yet.

P.S. thanks Zed for leading me to here. nice thread.
 
So your advice would be to just drop everything, stop the cycle?

Drop the problem compound but continue on with something like test + proviron. You don't have to stop the cycle, just change it out and do the standard dostinex routine starting when you change.
 
you mentioned a former member here that got a job with wwe then was let go.
did his name begin with a g and denote outer space?
and what is the optimal tbol dosage? running it currently at 50mgs for about ten days now...should i bump it up?
 
Your favorite shoulder workouts, all the other muscle seems to grow and stay strong, have trouble gettin better shoulder. And is it better to do shoulders on chest day??


Sent from my iPhone punk!
 
you think this applies to women as well? Im not interested in juice yet.

P.S. thanks Zed for leading me to here. nice thread.


Please don't change your mind any time soon about this.

From your avatar your have the perfect base to go where ever you want to in your fitness goals. Whether it is bodybuilding, fitness or physique modeling.

For a test boost(er) in women, I would actually suggest a mild cycle of just an AI agent or SARMS. Perhaps a cycle of moderate DHEA which converts to testosterone in women.
 
you mentioned a former member here that got a job with wwe then was let go.
did his name begin with a g and denote outer space?
and what is the optimal tbol dosage? running it currently at 50mgs for about ten days now...should i bump it up?

No, that was not the member. He got in other kind of trouble.

The one I was referring to, I don't want to name but other people here know who he is. But he got a development contract with WWE and then was cut due to non-steroid substance problems.

Tbol... why are you using that in the first place? For the average trainee, 50mg of ANY oral is more than enough. Be it dbol, anadrol, var, etc.. If you are not seeing results on 50mg of any kind of oral you are using then there are two explanations for this.

#1 You are not cut out for chemical enhancement response
#2 You got some weak underdosed shit.

Now I have posted about going up to 100mg on Var alone before. Yes. That was UG Var. However, I got the EXACT same results from 50mg of Geneza Var and from 30mg of BTG Oxandrin var.

But in general, if you are not seeing results from 50mg of any oral you are using, then why bother to continue? Also, give it at least a while longer before you reserve judgement on whether it is working or not. 10 days is a short time. Even for the half life of orals. They will be in your system, but that doesn't exactly translate into full blown results that reflect from the mirror.

If you get to week 3 and don't like the results you have gotten so far, then swap it out with something else.
 
Do I need to refrigerate HCG and do my vials of test and tren need to stay below a certain temperature during storage?
 
Your favorite shoulder workouts, all the other muscle seems to grow and stay strong, have trouble gettin better shoulder. And is it better to do shoulders on chest day??


Sent from my iPhone punk!


Here is my old post on it

Before I give you my delt routine, let me give you my philosphy behind it.

I don't buy into that shit about how your shoulders get enough work from training other bodyparts (front delts with chest, rear with back, etc..). I simply don't believe that indirect work in exercises for other muscle groups will ever be more than just a warm up for shoulder training. And if it is more than indirect work, chances are that you are doing the exercise completely wrong in the first place.

I also base this routine on good old volume training because #1 it stimulates the muscles more adequately than low set high intensity training and #2 the constant pushing of blood into the muscle helps in fascia stretching with is very important for growth.

This shoulder routine looks long. Roughly 24-27 sets. Which sounds like a 2 hour workout. The layout is basically :

7-8 sets side laterals reps 10-12
7-8 sets front laterals reps 10-12
7-8 sets rear laterals reps 10-12
3 miliatary press reps 8-10

But it only takes about 45 minutes tops. You are not doing forced reps or negatives or drop sets or any of that shit like that which does nothing but compromise your form and risk injury.

Look at it this way. Your side delts are what?? as big as your two fingers? You dissect that muscle and you will see the actual side delt is not very big at all. So why you want to throw heavy weight at such a small muscle? You can't possibly stimulate it enough without incorporating and recruiting additional muscles. So your side laterals, effectively become a compound movement for the whole shoulder girdle. You target that tiny muscle with high reps, volume sets and you push that blood in there to stretch that muscle from the inside as much as you can. When you start training balls to the wall with the utmost intensity, throwing that weight up, getting those extra forced reps, dropping the weight and continuing on... you are just grinding the hell out of your socket and putting the entire SITS foundation muscles at risk of injury. Why take that chance when you can accomplish the same results with just an extra set, which is safer. Not to say this is candy ass training, you are still going to train hard. But when you reach the failure limit you are going to acknowledge it and accept it rather than stubbornly try to overcome it.

Every third workout you can change up and do something different. Something based primarily around pressing movements. Two of my favorites are behind the neck presses done with free weights as the smith machine locks you into a path range that may not be natural for you based on your body structure, arm length, etc.. (when I lower the weight, I only bring the bar down to about mid ear level, any lower you are begging for trouble, so don't do it) and the second pressing movements will either be dumbell presses or reverse front presses on the smith machine (for safety reasons). This exercise, you grip the bar under your chin with a grip that resembles the completion of a barbell curl. Hands shoulder width (thumbs facing out, palms facing you, but your hands directly in front of your delts, you shouldn't have your thumbs out past your shoulder width.) Then just smoothly push the weight up. Sort of resembles a reverse underhand grip pullup when you are lowering yourself. But you are sitting and pushing. Hard to explain but you can sit at your desk and try it to get the right idea.
 
Have you ever been str8?
 
Do I need to refrigerate HCG and do my vials of test and tren need to stay below a certain temperature during storage?

Yes after the HCG is mixed and as long as you keep test and tren at room temp in a dark place, it is good for quite a long time.
 
No, that was not the member. He got in other kind of trouble.

The one I was referring to, I don't want to name but other people here know who he is. But he got a development contract with WWE and then was cut due to non-steroid substance problems.

Tbol... why are you using that in the first place? For the average trainee, 50mg of ANY oral is more than enough. Be it dbol, anadrol, var, etc.. If you are not seeing results on 50mg of any kind of oral you are using then there are two explanations for this.

#1 You are not cut out for chemical enhancement response
#2 You got some weak underdosed shit.

Now I have posted about going up to 100mg on Var alone before. Yes. That was UG Var. However, I got the EXACT same results from 50mg of Geneza Var and from 30mg of BTG Oxandrin var.

But in general, if you are not seeing results from 50mg of any oral you are using, then why bother to continue? Also, give it at least a while longer before you reserve judgement on whether it is working or not. 10 days is a short time. Even for the half life of orals. They will be in your system, but that doesn't exactly translate into full blown results that reflect from the mirror.

If you get to week 3 and don't like the results you have gotten so far, then swap it out with something else.

nah it's reputable shit, and i have seen steady slow gains i'm just curious as to what your opinion was of 50mg dosing.
so wtf happened to the bro i mentioned? i liked the dude
 
Please don't change your mind any time soon about this.

From your avatar your have the perfect base to go where ever you want to in your fitness goals. Whether it is bodybuilding, fitness or physique modeling.

For a test boost(er) in women, I would actually suggest a mild cycle of just an AI agent or SARMS. Perhaps a cycle of moderate DHEA which converts to testosterone in women.

Thank you for compliment and i have no ambitions to compete or model, just wanna be stay healthy, feel good and look good.

I tried DHEA before but didn't notice much of a difference. I think it works on people a bit older who's test levels have naturally dipped. ill need to read up a little on your other suggestions.

what does AAP stand for?
 
What thread did you get your post about shoulder work from? I'm interested in reading more about different movements and routines you have.
 
Best quad ham routine you can think of (train each bp once a week, and have decent quads but would like to bring them up alot more) ? i like that shoulder routine and will give it a try

currently:

squats 4 x 12 /10/8/6
Leg press 4 x 15-10
front squats 3 x 10/8/6
leg extensions 2-3 x 12 hold pause

lying leg curls 4 sets
stiff leg deads 4 sets if i can still move .....
 
Thank you for compliment and i have no ambitions to compete or model, just wanna be stay healthy, feel good and look good.

I tried DHEA before but didn't notice much of a difference. I think it works on people a bit older who's test levels have naturally dipped. ill need to read up a little on your other suggestions.

what does AAP stand for?


Amazing Amateur Physique
Allround Annoying Person
Anal AssPlorer

One of those is the correct name I went by years ago.
 
Best quad ham routine you can think of (train each bp once a week, and have decent quads but would like to bring them up alot more) ? i like that shoulder routine and will give it a try

currently:

squats 4 x 12 /10/8/6
Leg press 4 x 15-10
front squats 3 x 10/8/6
leg extensions 2-3 x 12 hold pause

lying leg curls 4 sets
stiff leg deads 4 sets if i can still move .....


I hope you are eating a shit load of protein, carbs, fats and caffiene to sustain training like that. Or else you are not putting everything into each set.

What are your hams like now?

For quads :

5 sets x 15 reps non lock barbell squats. Feet on 2x4, shoulder width apart, going down to parallel and then back up to a couple inches short of lock out. REST ONLY 3 MINUTES between sets. Use a stop watch. I don't mean rest 3 minutes, then get back under the bar, cinch up, etc... I mean when the stop watch dings the 3 minute mark you are locked and loaded, ready to start rep #1 immediately. Pick a weight and use it for all 5 sets.

3 sets front squats 8-10 reps. Use the EXACT same weight as you used for the squats above. Feet on board, narrow stance. Feet and ankles almost touching, that is how narrow I mean.

Train this way once a week and every 3rd work out you add 5lbs to the bar.

Week 1 and 2 - weight 225 (example)
Week 3 and 4 - weight 230
Week 5 and 6 - weight 235

you do this and in three months you WILL see improvements in the quads.
 
Say hypothetically some Halotestin fell off a truck and you found it, but it wasn't enough to run a full cycle - what do you think of adding to your existing cycle 10mg an hour or so pre-workout?
 
AAP any point to running 200 mgs of eq for ten week along with the same amount of test?
or is that just too weak a dose...i have a bottle of eq left over from a yr ago (sealed never been pinned) and i don't
have plans to get anymore.
 
If I was gay, which I am not, I would want to know (If I was a TOP) when the last time my partner have dropped a deuce before I went to town. Is this a pretty standard pre sex question for poop rammers? Also, have fun in the ATL.
 
Say hypothetically some Halotestin fell off a truck and you found it, but it wasn't enough to run a full cycle - what do you think of adding to your existing cycle 10mg an hour or so pre-workout?

Personally, I wouldn't. I would not see a use for it at that small dose. I am betting you would get more results work out wise taking two caffiene pills than 10mg of halo before work outs.

Despite it's "legendary" rep... it really isn't going to fire you up at that dose.
 
AAP any point to running 200 mgs of eq for ten week along with the same amount of test?
or is that just too weak a dose...i have a bottle of eq left over from a yr ago (sealed never been pinned) and i don't
have plans to get anymore.

Not really. You would come out better hitting 600mg weekly on the 1st, 3rd, 5th, week of the cycle instead of tiny little 200mg every week.

If it is unopened, trade it for another bottle of test.
 
how would you dose liquid letro and prami for gyno

What kind of gyno you got? If it is a hard fiber type lump already, then you basically stuck with it. If it is soft and fluffy, you can get rid of it. But the other firm dense kind is going to take a surgeon to get out.
 
If I was gay, which I am not, I would want to know (If I was a TOP) when the last time my partner have dropped a deuce before I went to town. Is this a pretty standard pre sex question for poop rammers? Also, have fun in the ATL.

If you were a bottom and had a messy backdoor, you better believe that any top you pulled that shit (pun) on would be down at the gay bar immediately handing out flyers about your ass (pun again).

Cleaning back there is relatively easy. However, the big danger for tops are those people with never ending piles. Man, there is absolutely nothing worse than prying open ass cheeks and seeing what looks like a raw Arby's roast beef sandwich lurking back there.

From the way you would be jumping around screaming and flailing your arms to get away, someone would think you were a meth addict and thought spiders were crawling out of your skin.
 
How do I get a GH script without any deficiencies or disorders that would warrant it?
 
How do I get a GH script without any deficiencies or disorders that would warrant it?

not to take away from AAP's answer, but there are clinics in the sunny state of florida who you could work with.
you'll pay though...
 
If you were a bottom and had a messy backdoor, you better believe that any top you pulled that shit (pun) on would be down at the gay bar immediately handing out flyers about your ass (pun again).

Cleaning back there is relatively easy. However, the big danger for tops are those people with never ending piles. Man, there is absolutely nothing worse than prying open ass cheeks and seeing what looks like a raw Arby's roast beef sandwich lurking back there.

From the way you would be jumping around screaming and flailing your arms to get away, someone would think you were a meth addict and thought spiders were crawling out of your skin.

That is possibly one of the sickest things I've ever read in my entire life... Im fukn scarred for life bro wtf...
 
not to take away from AAP's answer, but there are clinics in the sunny state of florida who you could work with.
you'll pay though...

This is correct. Anti-aging clinics will write you scripts for HGH, test, etc... nearly anything, but you pay out the ass for it.

Or you could find a HIV patient that has a legal script and buy kits off them. That is how I get my Serostim. They are given like 3-4 kits per month and it only costs them about $135 (if it costs them anything as most have disability insurance that covers it). Even the HIV patients that work out do not use all the kits they are Rx'd each month. Lots of them sell the kits for extra $$$.
 
That is possibly one of the sickest things I've ever read in my entire life... Im fukn scarred for life bro wtf...

Imagine how you would feel if you actually went through the experience. More than once.

It is for this very reason I wear a welders mask and construction gloves when picking up new tricks for the first time.
 
two part question:
-does banging a tranny out make one gaye? friend wants to know
-are bottoms born, or is a learned behaviour?
 
two part question:
-does banging a tranny out make one gaye? friend wants to know
-are bottoms born, or is a learned behaviour?

1 - Only if you kiss.
2 - I think they are born. Because I sure don't think I could learn to like taking a big ass dong up in my guts over and over.
 
two part question:
-does banging a tranny out make one gaye? friend wants to know
-are bottoms born, or is a learned behaviour?

not to take away from AAP's answer or anything but...
1. No. Not even if the balls touch, but you are gay if you're the bottom.
2. Directed towards AAP.
 
Guys this thread is in the anabolic steroids section of EF that's "ANABOLIC" not "ANALBOLIC"

I'm sure there is another section of the site for this kind of talk possibly the general chat section where the trolls dwell.

This a great thread lets not spoil it please.


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Pain is weakness leaving the Body
 
That is possibly one of the sickest things I've ever read in my entire life... Im fukn scarred for life bro wtf...

You gotta read some POZ stories bro... I felt sick the first time, then i had to keep reading more. Fucked up I know.

This is correct. Anti-aging clinics will write you scripts for HGH, test, etc... nearly anything, but you pay out the ass for it.

Or you could find a HIV patient that has a legal script and buy kits off them. That is how I get my Serostim. They are given like 3-4 kits per month and it only costs them about $135 (if it costs them anything as most have disability insurance that covers it). Even the HIV patients that work out do not use all the kits they are Rx'd each month. Lots of them sell the kits for extra $$$.


I'd get it for free if I had it prescribed. Anti-aging clinics are not as common out on the west coast, maybe I'll find a place in LA or something.
 
Guys this thread is in the anabolic steroids section of EF that's "ANABOLIC" not "ANALBOLIC"

I'm sure there is another section of the site for this kind of talk possibly the general chat section where the trolls dwell.

This a great thread lets not spoil it please.


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Pain is weakness leaving the Body


When I said ask me anything, I meant ANYTHING. My knowledge transcends forum boundaries.

The majority of "trolls" that dwell in the general chat section have better physiques than the posters here in the AAS forum.
 
i switched to box squats. got my box squat up to 405, then went back to regular squats and had no carry over, its like im starting all over again doing 225 and 275. do you know where i went wrong here?
 
i switched to box squats. got my box squat up to 405, then went back to regular squats and had no carry over, its like im starting all over again doing 225 and 275. do you know where i went wrong here?

Yes. You have basically quit a movement you did for a while and then worked at building up the weight in a completely different movement. They may look the same when you do them face on in the mirror, but the body mechanics are completely different.

When I did box squats, I actually went in the "sitting in a chair" motion, which had I not had a box under me to support me, I would have fallen on my ass. You can't do that the same way with regular squats.

If you have a friend in the gym, have him stand to the side while you take an empty bar (so the 45 plate doesn't obstruct your profile view) and film you doing both kind of squats with his iphone or whatever. You can look at the clip afterwards and see how your body follows a different path.

Another reason may also be that the shorten range of movement on box squats as opposed to deep regular squats contributes to the heavier weights being used. I know I can bench more weight if I bring the bar only 1/2 way down as opposed to all the way to my chest. What was your range of movement like for box squats?
 
Yes. You have basically quit a movement you did for a while and then worked at building up the weight in a completely different movement. They may look the same when you do them face on in the mirror, but the body mechanics are completely different.

When I did box squats, I actually went in the "sitting in a chair" motion, which had I not had a box under me to support me, I would have fallen on my ass. You can't do that the same way with regular squats.

If you have a friend in the gym, have him stand to the side while you take an empty bar (so the 45 plate doesn't obstruct your profile view) and film you doing both kind of squats with his iphone or whatever. You can look at the clip afterwards and see how your body follows a different path.

Another reason may also be that the shorten range of movement on box squats as opposed to deep regular squats contributes to the heavier weights being used. I know I can bench more weight if I bring the bar only 1/2 way down as opposed to all the way to my chest. What was your range of movement like for box squats?

thanks man i appreciate the advice. i didnt realize the range of motion was so different, but since you brought up the chair motion, my lower legs are more perpendicular to the floor on box squats than with regular squats. so yeah i see how the range of motion is shorter
 
If you were a bottom and had a messy backdoor, you better believe that any top you pulled that shit (pun) on would be down at the gay bar immediately handing out flyers about your ass (pun again).

Cleaning back there is relatively easy. However, the big danger for tops are those people with never ending piles. Man, there is absolutely nothing worse than prying open ass cheeks and seeing what looks like a raw Arby's roast beef sandwich lurking back there.

From the way you would be jumping around screaming and flailing your arms to get away, someone would think you were a meth addict and thought spiders were crawling out of your skin.

The whole one time I had anal sex when he pulled out the condom was brown and smelly. No joke:worried:

It actually felt alright only dude that took it slow didn't try ram his cawk up my anus so he actually managed to get it in. All and all it felt alright but the ending grossed me out. How does one prepare if they were going to take it up the ass again? :verygood:
 
If you were a bottom and had a messy backdoor, you better believe that any top you pulled that shit (pun) on would be down at the gay bar immediately handing out flyers about your ass (pun again).

Cleaning back there is relatively easy. However, the big danger for tops are those people with never ending piles. Man, there is absolutely nothing worse than prying open ass cheeks and seeing what looks like a raw Arby's roast beef sandwich lurking back there.

From the way you would be jumping around screaming and flailing your arms to get away, someone would think you were a meth addict and thought spiders were crawling out of your skin.

this post is insane !
 
You gotta read some POZ stories bro... I felt sick the first time, then i had to keep reading more. Fucked up I know.




I'd get it for free if I had it prescribed. Anti-aging clinics are not as common out on the west coast, maybe I'll find a place in LA or something.

clinics, due to their quasi legal status i guess, don't do insurance...you pay outta pocket
 
I hope you are eating a shit load of protein, carbs, fats and caffiene to sustain training like that. Or else you are not putting everything into each set.

What are your hams like now?

For quads :

5 sets x 15 reps non lock barbell squats. Feet on 2x4, shoulder width apart, going down to parallel and then back up to a couple inches short of lock out. REST ONLY 3 MINUTES between sets. Use a stop watch. I don't mean rest 3 minutes, then get back under the bar, cinch up, etc... I mean when the stop watch dings the 3 minute mark you are locked and loaded, ready to start rep #1 immediately. Pick a weight and use it for all 5 sets.

3 sets front squats 8-10 reps. Use the EXACT same weight as you used for the squats above. Feet on board, narrow stance. Feet and ankles almost touching, that is how narrow I mean.

Train this way once a week and every 3rd work out you add 5lbs to the bar.

Week 1 and 2 - weight 225 (example)
Week 3 and 4 - weight 230
Week 5 and 6 - weight 235

you do this and in three months you WILL see improvements in the quads.


thank you, hams are ok , some sweep, they get alot of work with the way i do leg press and i only do ass to the floor squats , i can usually make it through quads, hams not always and often have to add them to delts or not at all, currently overall upper thighs around 27.5 inches cold no great shakes, but better than the 21-22 inches many years ago lol

lotsa caffienne , i take 400-500mg 45 min before my workouts lol, cureently dieting down, so protien high round 300, carbs 120 and fats around 60-70 odd



tried the delt workout today , was a great pump, enjoyed it , keen to give the quad routine a bash as well

:supercool
 
When bulking, if I start to gain to much BF should I cut some carbs and add .... ?

Throw in some cardio.

Eat less.

Eat better (cleaner).

Utilize what you do eat more efficiently. (Digestive enzymes and water intake).


Doing any of the above will help reduce any unwanted BF that may be creeping up on you. Doing all of the above will ensure that any weight you put on is lean muscle gains.

Stop looking at your goals in terms of bulking and cutting. Bulking is simply nothing more than an excuse people use to eat sloppy and get fat. Cutting is nothing more than a state of mind that people get into in order to justify starving themselves and ending up a smaller fat person.

Instead look at it as growing lean muscle or removing extra fat. Change your mindset so that you realize adding 3 lbs of extra muscle with no increase in body fat will not only make you look bigger and better in the mirror but also be much more healthy on your body in the long run. Removing a couple of BF% over time through slow and steady methods will be more stress free for the body than crash dieting just to get the scale down to a certain #.
 
Now that I am back on the forum and over in the UK, can I still expect future hand-drawn Christmas cards or will the over-seas postage rates put you off from this tradition?
 
thank you, hams are ok , some sweep, they get alot of work with the way i do leg press and i only do ass to the floor squats , i can usually make it through quads, hams not always and often have to add them to delts or not at all, currently overall upper thighs around 27.5 inches cold no great shakes, but better than the 21-22 inches many years ago lol

lotsa caffienne , i take 400-500mg 45 min before my workouts lol, cureently dieting down, so protien high round 300, carbs 120 and fats around 60-70 odd



tried the delt workout today , was a great pump, enjoyed it , keen to give the quad routine a bash as well

:supercool


The reason I asked what your hams looked like now is because you had such few sets there. You do more sets for your biceps than you do for your hamstrings correct? Which of those muscles is the larger one on the human body? Which of yours is more developed?

Most people do 6-8 sets for hams at the end of their quad workout and write off lack of development as bad genetics or a hard gainer. (I did this very thing myself years ago). But yet will blow their biceps out of the water with 12 sets when they train them and get an awesome pump.

You should be getting the exact same quality of pump in the hamstrings that you do in the biceps. Train them on a day that doesn't have quads. I switched mine up to Back/Hams day. (Only because my back is my best bodypart and I can get away with doing 4-6 sets total on it for growth).

Also, you need to bump up that protein a bit too that you are having each day.
 
Now that I am back on the forum and over in the UK, can I still expect future hand-drawn Christmas cards or will the over-seas postage rates put you off from this tradition?

Remind me this coming up holiday season and I will restart it again.
 
Remind me this coming up holiday season and I will restart it again.

Will do. I do not recall the details of the one you sent in like 2004 but it was very gay (which one would expect from you of course) and hillarious. I laughed for like 20 minutes after opening/reading it.
 
The whole one time I had anal sex when he pulled out the condom was brown and smelly. No joke:worried:

It actually felt alright only dude that took it slow didn't try ram his cawk up my anus so he actually managed to get it in. All and all it felt alright but the ending grossed me out. How does one prepare if they were going to take it up the ass again? :verygood:


What is this? Surely a jest. I have never thought to do such a thing in my life. Why that is like, giving them flowers or just being nice to them in general. I have no concept of behavior like that.

Actually there are little shower heads that look like tiny dildos that people use to put up back there and clean house. Prune juice and roughage in the diet will keep it clean as well. Some are just naturally clean. Hell, one of my BFs bought a 6 pack of toilet tissue rolls back in 1983 that he still hasn't used all of yet. There is just no residue or debris after he has gone to potty.
 
Have to work travel, will check back here soon. Post any ?s you want answered.
 
I would like to know why excessiv hair growth occurs? what are the functions in the body that makes this happen, and why does it increase while on cycle? Yet another question, will it continue to grow when u have stopt cycle? imo no, because the hormones will fall back to normal but i might not be right?
 
Beastdrol on its own VS. Dbol.

IS it stronger? In terms of strength, Bulk gains to the Average BB... Thats what I REALLY want to know....

Beastdrol Starter Stack, How much Difference will it make adding:

1 Forged Liver Support
1 Forged Post Cycle
1 Forged Joint Repair
1 Forma Stanzol

To your Beastdrol cycle?

Will it make a big difference? Worth the extra 120$?

Would REALLY appreciate it if you could answer these ....

Thanks Bro.
 
Hey bro Im using Hawthor for natty bp control and I think it helps somewhat. What other natty supps would you recommend?
Very soon Im gonna be needing all the bp help I can get so the more the better. Thanks bro!
 
What kind of gyno you got? If it is a hard fiber type lump already, then you basically stuck with it. If it is soft and fluffy, you can get rid of it. But the other firm dense kind is going to take a surgeon to get out.

i dont know what type i got but its from a rebound from the pct i didnt do it properly but i would say its soft and fluffy like
 
Ok for bench and squats everybody allways somewhere in the conversation refers to arm and leg length. So how the hell do I know if I have long arrms and legs, or if theyre short or average?
 
Re: Ask me anything-Can you become allergic or intolerant to steroids?

Hello,

I did a course of Boldenone 250 without any problems, I just bought another batch and straight away I've had a allergic reaction-Hard lump and looks like a red burn I've also had bad sleep and headaches, I get that from test so I don't do it as im obviously allergic.

My question is can you become intolerant during a course? Or is it a bad batch?
I'm only take 450 per week max
 
I personally believe people are misinformed about when to take "stims." I keep reading about people taking stims pre-workout, I think that is a bad idea because stims cause vasoconstriction and it is ideal to strive for vasodilation during weight training. I say, stims are good for pre-cardio (by its self) and that is it, I could be wrong. What do you say?
 
bro what is your opinoin of this food intake:
-first thing in the A.M ceral and protein drink
-after AM workout protein drink
-10am meal 5-6 eggs (a few yokes), two pieces toast or 1/3 rice, fruit
-100pm lunch sandwich (lean meat whole wheat bread cheese), a carb serving of some sort (crackers, rice, noodles, etc),
salad
-400pm pre-dinner two cans of tuna, cup of oats (mixed with lowfat milk and a lil sugar)
-600pm dinner (varies from day to day, but usually healthy with a large portion of good meat, a carb, and a salad
-900pm snack (either eating more of what is leftover from dinner, or a 52 gram protein drink).

I'm trying to gain a few lbs, not worried about fat cause i just don't get fat...seems like i've bottomed out though at 200lbs.
am i not eating enough in your opinion?
 
Recently I've started to do some isolation exercises (along with some compound movements) I push 5 reps out easily and then when I get to my 6th or 7th crash badly and unable to do anymore, do u think this is becoz I'm used to doing only sets of 5 reps (been doing 5x5 for about 2 months) or could this be becos of overtraining?
 
Re: Ask me anything-Whats the perfect combination for endurance/cardio athelets

Bonjour or as we say in England hello mate!!

I'm a swimmer kickboxing boxer, I train hard 15 hours per week min.

What would one recommend for improving everything strength and endurance?
:artist:
 
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