
Well hell what a guy bro!
What are your thoughts on a 5x5 in conjunction with a super clean diet for cutting. I know that typically a 5x5 is a mass and strength program. However for someone that is strong and on the heavy side I think it could be a hell of a cutter too given the diet side of the equation. Toward the second half of the 12 week program I would consider introducing test e 250 and NPP 100. The test to help with the strength since the diet will be restricted and the NPP for help in the strength and joints depts.
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Bout to be starting my first cycle in a few weeks and was wondering if it's a good idea to run an AI like Arimidex on cycle all the way through, half way in, or have it on hand if any estrogen issues come about? I'm finding conflicting info on this and I'm hearing if I run it on cycle it will hinder gains later on! Is this true? And if it is a good idea to take how much would you suggest to be sufficient? Thank you
What do you recommend for someone that has been doing a 3 day split routine and wants to change it up. I have been doing a standard Chest/Tricep, Back/Biceps,Shoulders/Legs and abs routine for years and looking for a change. I looked into the 5x5 program with Zed however Im not sure that would give me the isolation exercises I am wanting to focus on such as Bi's Tri"s etc: Thanks AAP
Pros - The heavy training CAN help you retain as much size as possible while you are restricting calories in a typical "cutting fashion". Many people equate cutting with doing high reps which only makes them look stringy and flat.
Cons - Dropping the calories down while continue to train heavy can tap into the CNS more aggressively and may lead to overtraining where all gains come to a halt. And there can be a risk of injury by working a muscle heavy over and over while only feeding it a minimum amount of nutrients to repair itself.
If you want to incorporate 5x5 training with leaning up, I would suggest it to be like this :
Divide your prep time into two parts. The first half you will continue to eat the same amount of food. But CLEAN food. Nothing out of a bag or box. Complex carbs only before 2PM and carbs from leafy greens afterwards. No carbs of any kind past 8PM. (Assuming your life follows the usual 9-5 routine). During this time your fat loss will come a little from the training itself, but also from INTENSE 15 minutes cardio afterwards. I don't mean riding the bike. Wind sprints. Pounding the boxing bag in the gym. 15 minutes nonstop basketball hoop shooting with 5 suicides after each miss.
Second half of your prep you will still follow the 5x5 system, but here you will DECREASE the cardio. Still 15 minutes post training, but this time on the treadmill at a brisk walk. You will lower the calories by eliminating carbs first at this time. You will have prepped your body in the first half here to get ready to shed the fat, now you will be actually shedding it via diet as opposed to burning it through cardio.
here is a weird question and I brung this up before but am curious to hear your opinion. why do you think so many young noobs run deca as a first cycle?
I love this thread! Hi AAPIm curently 12weeks into 5x5 and for the next 12 weeks I'm going to be cutting at the same time I've never done any direct ab work what's the best way to add this into 5x5 eg daily or in one session also the best way to build abs.
Thank you
Donna
Old School Popularity.
It's been around forever and has name recognition. Remember when Bill The Shill Philips claimed that HMB "feels just like deca"?
It's just something that won't go away. Unlike your dick when you take it.
GR8 response AAP and much thanks bro.
Ok when you say cutting cals to a minimum, that is not exactly my plan. I was thinking maintinance level for a given body wieght, is that what you are talking about, as opposed to a deficit cal diet?
In the fist half you are talking about Tabata type of cardio? I know that system says 10 mins and you say 15 mins, but still meaning all out effort is this correct?
Any commnets on the "supps" I was considering, or maybe something diff alltogether diff?
name recognition i agree with that 100%.
the word DECA is probably the #1 used word in gyms when I talk to other juicers.
especially in the sauna. It's easier and more polite to tell a guy that you can't get it up for him because of that "damn deca" instead of telling the truth "you just ugly bitch."
OK, everyone says too much cardio burns muscle. But I want to improve my fitness so I can compete in kickboxing conpetitions, I wanna be a whirlwind for 3 x 2 minute rounds! At the moment I'm a whirlwind for about a minute then turn into a mild breeze..... Any suggestions?
I love this thread! Hi AAPIm curently 12weeks into 5x5 and for the next 12 weeks I'm going to be cutting at the same time I've never done any direct ab work what's the best way to add this into 5x5 eg daily or in one session also the best way to build abs.
Thank you
Donna
OK, everyone says too much cardio burns muscle. But I want to improve my fitness so I can compete in kickboxing conpetitions, I wanna be a whirlwind for 3 x 2 minute rounds! At the moment I'm a whirlwind for about a minute then turn into a mild breeze..... Any suggestions?
Hey bro CS, how bout height, weight and bf%?
best cycle for extremely gyno prone??
Too much cardio burns muscle? Really? A properly fueled and rested muscle will be broken down by the body at what point? Is it after 20 minutes? After 23.7 minutes. 34 minutes, but only on Thursdays?
What about a muscle that isn't properly fueled and rested? Will it be broken down sooner? How much sooner?
Basically what it comes down to is that the body is an amazing machine and will respond to outside stimulation the way it has been programmed to since birth. You are not going to reprogram your body. That is impossible. What you can do is work WITH your body instead of AGAINST it to accomplish your goals in a way that is healthy and stress free.
Since your cardio is geared for stamina and not fat burning, don't feel bad about hitting some carbs prior to beginning. Don't do intense cardio post work out or first thing in the morning as stamina and endurance training will require a longer period and duration to have maximum effect. First thing in the morning and post workout is when your body is basically running on empty (in morning) and in a state of recovery (post training). The aminos, glucose, etc... in your body will be out of whack following training or an 8 hour fasting period. This is ideal for losing weight with short intense sessions that force the body to break down fat for energy. But at longer sessions it becomes counter productive.
Try incorporating your cardio on an EOD basis with no weight training at all that day. Maybe calves, abs, and stretching prior. Follow a generic drill format. 1 minute being an intense whirlwind followed by 5 minutes being a breeze, 1 minute rest. Back to 1 minute whirlwind, 5 minutes breeze. Repeat this cycle 4-5 times. After a couple of weeks, try to do it in the same way 1 minute whirlwind but this time only 3 minutes breeze. That way the intense sessions come more quickly. When you can do it 4-5 times in a cycle only resting that 1 minute in between cycles, then increase it up some, but in the same format. This time it would be 2 minutes whirlwind 5 minutes breeze 1 minute rest. Few weeks of this, adjust it like before. 2 minutes whirlwind, 3 minutes breeze, 1 minute rest.
Afterwards make sure you feed your body with BCAAs, fast acting carbs, and solid nutrients from clean food within 45 minutes.
Haha yeah ill be lucky if i get it once a week lol ,Great response AAP thanks for that I will download that and will be rockin those abs come summer.
Many thanks
Donna
Oh yeah... thanks for reminding me bro!
height: 6'1"
weight: 117 kg - 257.4 kg
bf- 26%
What is the best natty test booster to use.......
I know gyno is unlikely when running a superdrol cycle, but it is possible!
What should you run to prevent the onset of gynecomastia symptoms (via prolactin effects)?
A beautiful naked woman. Or in my case a trick that wears the same size shoe as I do, because I get such a hard on just thinking about waiting until he falls asleep and stealing his shoes.
My next answer would have to be : another round of puberty.
Seriously though, my view on test boosters is a bit negative. I am skeptical that anything can boost you significantly and for a long time. If that were case, you would see these mega million pharmacy companies taking over it and advertising in Golf magazines. I think some things can temporarily boost your test levels for a short time, but after a while the effects are lost on the body and it doesn't respond like it did before.
So your advice would be to just drop everything, stop the cycle?
you think this applies to women as well? Im not interested in juice yet.
P.S. thanks Zed for leading me to here. nice thread.
you mentioned a former member here that got a job with wwe then was let go.
did his name begin with a g and denote outer space?
and what is the optimal tbol dosage? running it currently at 50mgs for about ten days now...should i bump it up?
Your favorite shoulder workouts, all the other muscle seems to grow and stay strong, have trouble gettin better shoulder. And is it better to do shoulders on chest day??
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Before I give you my delt routine, let me give you my philosphy behind it.
I don't buy into that shit about how your shoulders get enough work from training other bodyparts (front delts with chest, rear with back, etc..). I simply don't believe that indirect work in exercises for other muscle groups will ever be more than just a warm up for shoulder training. And if it is more than indirect work, chances are that you are doing the exercise completely wrong in the first place.
I also base this routine on good old volume training because #1 it stimulates the muscles more adequately than low set high intensity training and #2 the constant pushing of blood into the muscle helps in fascia stretching with is very important for growth.
This shoulder routine looks long. Roughly 24-27 sets. Which sounds like a 2 hour workout. The layout is basically :
7-8 sets side laterals reps 10-12
7-8 sets front laterals reps 10-12
7-8 sets rear laterals reps 10-12
3 miliatary press reps 8-10
But it only takes about 45 minutes tops. You are not doing forced reps or negatives or drop sets or any of that shit like that which does nothing but compromise your form and risk injury.
Look at it this way. Your side delts are what?? as big as your two fingers? You dissect that muscle and you will see the actual side delt is not very big at all. So why you want to throw heavy weight at such a small muscle? You can't possibly stimulate it enough without incorporating and recruiting additional muscles. So your side laterals, effectively become a compound movement for the whole shoulder girdle. You target that tiny muscle with high reps, volume sets and you push that blood in there to stretch that muscle from the inside as much as you can. When you start training balls to the wall with the utmost intensity, throwing that weight up, getting those extra forced reps, dropping the weight and continuing on... you are just grinding the hell out of your socket and putting the entire SITS foundation muscles at risk of injury. Why take that chance when you can accomplish the same results with just an extra set, which is safer. Not to say this is candy ass training, you are still going to train hard. But when you reach the failure limit you are going to acknowledge it and accept it rather than stubbornly try to overcome it.
Every third workout you can change up and do something different. Something based primarily around pressing movements. Two of my favorites are behind the neck presses done with free weights as the smith machine locks you into a path range that may not be natural for you based on your body structure, arm length, etc.. (when I lower the weight, I only bring the bar down to about mid ear level, any lower you are begging for trouble, so don't do it) and the second pressing movements will either be dumbell presses or reverse front presses on the smith machine (for safety reasons). This exercise, you grip the bar under your chin with a grip that resembles the completion of a barbell curl. Hands shoulder width (thumbs facing out, palms facing you, but your hands directly in front of your delts, you shouldn't have your thumbs out past your shoulder width.) Then just smoothly push the weight up. Sort of resembles a reverse underhand grip pullup when you are lowering yourself. But you are sitting and pushing. Hard to explain but you can sit at your desk and try it to get the right idea.
Do I need to refrigerate HCG and do my vials of test and tren need to stay below a certain temperature during storage?
When am I getting a Christmas card?
you for it.Have you ever been str8?
No, that was not the member. He got in other kind of trouble.
The one I was referring to, I don't want to name but other people here know who he is. But he got a development contract with WWE and then was cut due to non-steroid substance problems.
Tbol... why are you using that in the first place? For the average trainee, 50mg of ANY oral is more than enough. Be it dbol, anadrol, var, etc.. If you are not seeing results on 50mg of any kind of oral you are using then there are two explanations for this.
#1 You are not cut out for chemical enhancement response
#2 You got some weak underdosed shit.
Now I have posted about going up to 100mg on Var alone before. Yes. That was UG Var. However, I got the EXACT same results from 50mg of Geneza Var and from 30mg of BTG Oxandrin var.
But in general, if you are not seeing results from 50mg of any oral you are using, then why bother to continue? Also, give it at least a while longer before you reserve judgement on whether it is working or not. 10 days is a short time. Even for the half life of orals. They will be in your system, but that doesn't exactly translate into full blown results that reflect from the mirror.
If you get to week 3 and don't like the results you have gotten so far, then swap it out with something else.
Please don't change your mind any time soon about this.
From your avatar your have the perfect base to go where ever you want to in your fitness goals. Whether it is bodybuilding, fitness or physique modeling.
For a test boost(er) in women, I would actually suggest a mild cycle of just an AI agent or SARMS. Perhaps a cycle of moderate DHEA which converts to testosterone in women.
Thank you for compliment and i have no ambitions to compete or model, just wanna be stay healthy, feel good and look good.
I tried DHEA before but didn't notice much of a difference. I think it works on people a bit older who's test levels have naturally dipped. ill need to read up a little on your other suggestions.
what does AAP stand for?
Best quad ham routine you can think of (train each bp once a week, and have decent quads but would like to bring them up alot more) ? i like that shoulder routine and will give it a try
currently:
squats 4 x 12 /10/8/6
Leg press 4 x 15-10
front squats 3 x 10/8/6
leg extensions 2-3 x 12 hold pause
lying leg curls 4 sets
stiff leg deads 4 sets if i can still move .....
Say hypothetically some Halotestin fell off a truck and you found it, but it wasn't enough to run a full cycle - what do you think of adding to your existing cycle 10mg an hour or so pre-workout?
AAP any point to running 200 mgs of eq for ten week along with the same amount of test?
or is that just too weak a dose...i have a bottle of eq left over from a yr ago (sealed never been pinned) and i don't
have plans to get anymore.
how would you dose liquid letro and prami for gyno
If I was gay, which I am not, I would want to know (If I was a TOP) when the last time my partner have dropped a deuce before I went to town. Is this a pretty standard pre sex question for poop rammers? Also, have fun in the ATL.
How do I get a GH script without any deficiencies or disorders that would warrant it?
If you were a bottom and had a messy backdoor, you better believe that any top you pulled that shit (pun) on would be down at the gay bar immediately handing out flyers about your ass (pun again).
Cleaning back there is relatively easy. However, the big danger for tops are those people with never ending piles. Man, there is absolutely nothing worse than prying open ass cheeks and seeing what looks like a raw Arby's roast beef sandwich lurking back there.
From the way you would be jumping around screaming and flailing your arms to get away, someone would think you were a meth addict and thought spiders were crawling out of your skin.
not to take away from AAP's answer, but there are clinics in the sunny state of florida who you could work with.
you'll pay though...
That is possibly one of the sickest things I've ever read in my entire life... Im fukn scarred for life bro wtf...
two part question:
-does banging a tranny out make one gaye? friend wants to know
-are bottoms born, or is a learned behaviour?
two part question:
-does banging a tranny out make one gaye? friend wants to know
-are bottoms born, or is a learned behaviour?
That is possibly one of the sickest things I've ever read in my entire life... Im fukn scarred for life bro wtf...
This is correct. Anti-aging clinics will write you scripts for HGH, test, etc... nearly anything, but you pay out the ass for it.
Or you could find a HIV patient that has a legal script and buy kits off them. That is how I get my Serostim. They are given like 3-4 kits per month and it only costs them about $135 (if it costs them anything as most have disability insurance that covers it). Even the HIV patients that work out do not use all the kits they are Rx'd each month. Lots of them sell the kits for extra $$$.
Guys this thread is in the anabolic steroids section of EF that's "ANABOLIC" not "ANALBOLIC"
I'm sure there is another section of the site for this kind of talk possibly the general chat section where the trolls dwell.
This a great thread lets not spoil it please.
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Pain is weakness leaving the Body
i switched to box squats. got my box squat up to 405, then went back to regular squats and had no carry over, its like im starting all over again doing 225 and 275. do you know where i went wrong here?
Yes. You have basically quit a movement you did for a while and then worked at building up the weight in a completely different movement. They may look the same when you do them face on in the mirror, but the body mechanics are completely different.
When I did box squats, I actually went in the "sitting in a chair" motion, which had I not had a box under me to support me, I would have fallen on my ass. You can't do that the same way with regular squats.
If you have a friend in the gym, have him stand to the side while you take an empty bar (so the 45 plate doesn't obstruct your profile view) and film you doing both kind of squats with his iphone or whatever. You can look at the clip afterwards and see how your body follows a different path.
Another reason may also be that the shorten range of movement on box squats as opposed to deep regular squats contributes to the heavier weights being used. I know I can bench more weight if I bring the bar only 1/2 way down as opposed to all the way to my chest. What was your range of movement like for box squats?
If you were a bottom and had a messy backdoor, you better believe that any top you pulled that shit (pun) on would be down at the gay bar immediately handing out flyers about your ass (pun again).
Cleaning back there is relatively easy. However, the big danger for tops are those people with never ending piles. Man, there is absolutely nothing worse than prying open ass cheeks and seeing what looks like a raw Arby's roast beef sandwich lurking back there.
From the way you would be jumping around screaming and flailing your arms to get away, someone would think you were a meth addict and thought spiders were crawling out of your skin.

If you were a bottom and had a messy backdoor, you better believe that any top you pulled that shit (pun) on would be down at the gay bar immediately handing out flyers about your ass (pun again).
Cleaning back there is relatively easy. However, the big danger for tops are those people with never ending piles. Man, there is absolutely nothing worse than prying open ass cheeks and seeing what looks like a raw Arby's roast beef sandwich lurking back there.
From the way you would be jumping around screaming and flailing your arms to get away, someone would think you were a meth addict and thought spiders were crawling out of your skin.
You gotta read some POZ stories bro... I felt sick the first time, then i had to keep reading more. Fucked up I know.
I'd get it for free if I had it prescribed. Anti-aging clinics are not as common out on the west coast, maybe I'll find a place in LA or something.
I hope you are eating a shit load of protein, carbs, fats and caffiene to sustain training like that. Or else you are not putting everything into each set.
What are your hams like now?
For quads :
5 sets x 15 reps non lock barbell squats. Feet on 2x4, shoulder width apart, going down to parallel and then back up to a couple inches short of lock out. REST ONLY 3 MINUTES between sets. Use a stop watch. I don't mean rest 3 minutes, then get back under the bar, cinch up, etc... I mean when the stop watch dings the 3 minute mark you are locked and loaded, ready to start rep #1 immediately. Pick a weight and use it for all 5 sets.
3 sets front squats 8-10 reps. Use the EXACT same weight as you used for the squats above. Feet on board, narrow stance. Feet and ankles almost touching, that is how narrow I mean.
Train this way once a week and every 3rd work out you add 5lbs to the bar.
Week 1 and 2 - weight 225 (example)
Week 3 and 4 - weight 230
Week 5 and 6 - weight 235
you do this and in three months you WILL see improvements in the quads.

When bulking, if I start to gain to much BF should I cut some carbs and add .... ?
thank you, hams are ok , some sweep, they get alot of work with the way i do leg press and i only do ass to the floor squats , i can usually make it through quads, hams not always and often have to add them to delts or not at all, currently overall upper thighs around 27.5 inches cold no great shakes, but better than the 21-22 inches many years ago lol
lotsa caffienne , i take 400-500mg 45 min before my workouts lol, cureently dieting down, so protien high round 300, carbs 120 and fats around 60-70 odd
tried the delt workout today , was a great pump, enjoyed it , keen to give the quad routine a bash as well
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Now that I am back on the forum and over in the UK, can I still expect future hand-drawn Christmas cards or will the over-seas postage rates put you off from this tradition?
Remind me this coming up holiday season and I will restart it again.
The whole one time I had anal sex when he pulled out the condom was brown and smelly. No joke![]()
It actually felt alright only dude that took it slow didn't try ram his cawk up my anus so he actually managed to get it in. All and all it felt alright but the ending grossed me out. How does one prepare if they were going to take it up the ass again?![]()
What kind of gyno you got? If it is a hard fiber type lump already, then you basically stuck with it. If it is soft and fluffy, you can get rid of it. But the other firm dense kind is going to take a surgeon to get out.
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