Ashcroft turns 2ND AMENDMENT on its head, argues for personal right to bear arms

[kaneman23]

sorry about the multiple posts. For some reason when I hit the submit reply button, my browser times out. I am trying to delete the multiple posts now. WTF, is wrong with the board. There is no way I am going to pay to become a Plat. member with this type of service/speed.

 

[kaneman23]

huntmaster

The Armed Citizen is my fav section of the mag. I'm glad to see a fellow NRA member on the board..
Justin

 

[smallmovesal]

did anyone hear that charleton heston said that anyone who has a bodyguard is a wimp and they should just carry a gun like he does?

 

[manny78]

Huh? The entire UK had barely 70 gun murders 1999-2000. That compares to just under 8,000 in the US for the same period (with 4.5 times the population, so go ahead and multiply).

Australia? Where'd you get your info? Try again. The table below won't line up but you can look at the totals, how they decrease and how incredibly small the number is compared to the US:

Australia Gun Deaths - Totals

1988
1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998

Accident
30
19
30
29
24
18
20
15
30
19
21

Suicide
521
451
488
510
490
435
420
388
382
330
234

Assault
124
80
79
84
96
64
79
67
104
79
57

Legal Int.
4
7
4
6
14
3
7
6
0
7
7

Unknown
17
15
15
5
7
6
0
3
5
2
8

Totals
696
572
617
634
631
526
526
479
521
437
327


We are talking, in America, the kind of violent gun culture that exists nowhere else in the world.

Well I found some stats on Canada. Handguns are banned here, but we still had 1397 gun deaths last year for a population 30 millions. Yeah you guys had 30 000 but still your country has around 200 millions people....

 

[Spruceman]

I'm surprised that Asscroft is taking this stand. Probably the first time he's spoke out in favor of giving people INCREASED rights, rather than trying to take rights away. Also the first and only time, he's said something that I agree with. People should be allowed to defend themselves, their loved ones, their neighbors, and others against the criminals who will have guns whether or not all guns are outlawed.

On many subjects, I agree with Ryan, as he usually is defendng the civil rights of the individual; but guns is one area of civil rights where he and I are 180 degrees out of phase.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

conclusion is guns should be banned

The experts (Hitler, Stalin, Hussein) agree with you!

 

[manny78]

The experts (Hitler, Stalin, Hussein) agree with you!

remember it was their first step to manipulate their people....

 

[RyanH]

I haven't had time to respond or read all of the earlier responses yet, but I would love to hear from some of you as to how many times you have ever had to use a gun to protect yourself.

 

[RyanH]

I'm surprised that Asscroft is taking this stand. Probably the first time he's spoke out in favor of giving people INCREASED rights, rather than trying to take rights away. Also the first and only time, he's said something that I agree with. People should be allowed to defend themselves, their loved ones, their neighbors, and others against the criminals who will have guns whether or not all guns are outlawed.

Along the lines of what you are saying here---why are so many Americans willing to allow surveillance cameras to monitor them in public places, to undergo rigorous inspection at airports, or to allow criminal defenants to have many of their most sacred constitutional rights limited? Most will say for the public good; that we must make an individual sacrifice to fight terrorism.

However, that reasoning falls away with one is only asked to have his or her right to own a gun extremely regulated by the government. I suppose the public good does not matter there, eh?

Maybe criminals can use their guns to shoot out Ashcroft's surveillance cameras. (I saw a cartoon on this very subject).

 

[musclebrains]

did anyone hear that charleton heston said that anyone who has a bodyguard is a wimp and they should just carry a gun like he does?

ahahahahahahahhahaha....