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Why our PCT are shorter than clinical treatments?

ismaele00

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When we finish a normal cycle (8-12 weeks) we do a PCT. This is no new.

But my doubt is, if we stop our own test production, and we reduced or close our own sperm production, why we do a treatment only for a 4-5 weeks when the clinical treathments for oligospermia or hipogonadism (or any similar problem) are about 3-6 months?

Clomiphene.

Like PCT --> 3-4 weeks.
Clinical treathmen --> 2-3 months.

HCG-HMG

Like PCT --> 5000-10000 IU in 2-3 weeks.
Clinical treathmen --> 10000-25000 IU in 4-6 months.

Nolvadex, AI...

Why we do a shorter treatment. It's enough with 3-5 weeks to recover our normal HPTA functions?
 
When we finish a normal cycle (8-12 weeks) we do a PCT. This is no new.

But my doubt is, if we stop our own test production, and we reduced or close our own sperm production, why we do a treatment only for a 4-5 weeks when the clinical treathments for oligospermia or hipogonadism (or any similar problem) are about 3-6 months?

Clomiphene.

Like PCT --> 3-4 weeks.
Clinical treathmen --> 2-3 months.

HCG-HMG

Like PCT --> 5000-10000 IU in 2-3 weeks.
Clinical treathmen --> 10000-25000 IU in 4-6 months.

Nolvadex, AI...

Why we do a shorter treatment. It's enough with 3-5 weeks to recover our normal HPTA functions?
because treatments like that are for people who are completely shut down and have been for a long time. We are turning it back on not bringing it back from the dead.

Also people should really focus on not letting it shut down completely in the first place.

Also most of the medical community are pin heads. :D
 
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. (1) More specifically LH is the primary signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone.

When steroids are administered, LH levels rapidly decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, which causes rapid onset of testicular degeneration. The testicular degeneration begins with a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-like factor 3 (INSL3) – All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. (2-6,19) However, this degeneration can be prevented by a small maintenance dose of hCG ran throughout the cycle. Unfortunately, most steroid users have been engrained to believe that hCG should be used after a cycle, during PCT. Upon reviewing the science and basic endocrinology you will see that a faster and more complete recovery is possible if hCG is ran during a cycle.

Firstly, we must understand the clinical history of hCG to understand its purpose and its most efficient application. Many popular “steroid profiles” advocate using hCG at a dose of 2500-5000iu once or twice a week. These were the kind of dosages used in the historical (1960’s) hCG studies for hypogonadal men who had reduced testicular sensitivity due to prolonged LH deficiency. (21,22) A prolonged LH deficiency causes the testes to desensitize, requiring a higher hCG dose for ample stimulation. In men with normal LH levels and normal testicular sensitivity, the maximum increase of testosterone is seen from a dose of only 250iu, with minimal increases obtained from 500iu or even 5000iu. (2,11) (It appears the testes maximum secretion of testosterone is about 140% above their normal capacity.) (12-18) If you have allowed your testes to desensitize over the length of a typical steroid cycle, (8-16 weeks) then you would require a higher dose to elicit a response in an attempt to restore normal testicular size and function – but there is cost to this, and a high probability that you won’t regain full testicular function.

One term that is critical to understand is testosterone secretion capacity which is synonymous to testicular sensitivity. This is the amount of testosterone your testes can produce from any given LH or hCG stimulation. Therefore, if you have reduced testosterone secretion capacity (reduced testicular sensitivity), it will take more LH or hCG stimulation to produce the same result as if you had normal testosterone secretion capacity. If you reduce your testosterone secretion capacity too much, then no amount of LH or hCG stimulation will trigger normal testosterone production – and this leads to permanently reduced testosterone production.

To get an idea of how quickly you can reduce your testosterone secretion capacity from your average steroid cycle, consider this: LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. (2,9,10) By shutting down the LH signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases 90%, ITT decreases 94%, INSL3 decreases 95%, while the capacity to secrete testosterone decreases as much as 98%. (2-6)

Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. (4) This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) The point here is to not judge testosterone secretion capacity by testicular size.

The decreased testosterone secretion capacity caused by steroid use was well demonstrated in a study on power athletes who used steroids for 16 weeks, and were then administered 4500iu hCG post cycle. It was found that the steroid users were about 20 times less responsive to hCG, when compared to normal men who did not use steroids. (8) In other words, their testosterone secretion capacity was dramatically reduced because they did not receive an LH signal for 16 weeks. The testes essentially became desensitized and crippled. Case studies with steroid using patients show that aggressive long-term treatment with hCG at dosages as high as 10,000iu E3D for 12 weeks were unable to return full testicular size. (7) Another study with men using low dose steroids for 6 weeks showed unsuccessful return of Insulin-like factor-3 (INSL3) concentration in the testes upon 5000iu/wk of HCG treatment for 12 weeks (6) (INSL3 is an important biomarker for testosterone production potential and sperm production. 20)

These studies show that postponing hCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. (11) For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. (11) Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes (12,13,19 ) -- the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article).

In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.

Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)

A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose)

Note: If following the on cycle hCG protocol, hCG should NOT be used for PCT.

Recap –

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash.
 
Thankyou for your time Needtogetaas. Great answer.

I know this article, in fact I was translated it into Spanish, some time ago.
Thankyou for all.

En Español:

"La HCG (Gonodomatropina coriónica humana) es una hormona péptida, que mimetiza la acción de la hormona leutenizante (LH). La LH es la hormona encarga de estimular los testículos para producir la testosterona. La LH es en concreto, la señal específica enviada de la pituitaria a los testículos para producir testosterona.

Cuando se administran los esteroides los niveles de LH disminuyen rápidamente. La ausencia de una señal por parte de la pituitaria a los testículos, es la causa de la rápida degeneración testicular. La degeneración testicular comienza con una reducción del volumen de la célula de Leydig, y viene seguida de la reducción de Testosterona Intra-testicular (TIT), los peroxisomes y la insulina- factor 3 (INSL3). Todos los bio-marcadores y factores necesarios (interpretación propia: o importantes) para la producción de testosterona. Sin embargo esta degeneración se puede prevenir con una pequeña dosis lineal (interpretación propia: o de mantenimiento) de HCG durante el ciclo.
Lamentablemente, la mayoría de usuarios de esteroides han sido instruidos (o educados, enseñados) para creer que el HCG debe usarse al finalizar el ciclo, durante el PTC. Pero si repasamos la endocrinología básica y la ciencia, verá como se puede conseguir una recuperación mejor y más rápida, si se administra (o usa) el HCG durante el ciclo.

En primer lugar debemos entender (o estudiar, tener en cuenta) la historia clínica (o médica) del HCG para entender su funcionamiento y sus usos más eficientes (o adecuados). Muchos de los "perfiles de esteroides populares" abogan por usar unas dosis de 2500- 5000 UI una o dos veces por semana. Estas eran las dosis recomendadas (o usadas) por los estudios científicos antiguos sobre el HCG (años '60) para los hombres que sufrían de hipogonadismo (u hombres hipógadas) a causa de la degeneración testicular producida por la falta de LH.
Una deficiencia prolongada de LH hace a los testículos perder sensibilidad y se necesitan mayores cantidades de HCG para reactivarlos (o para un mayor estímulo). En hombres con niveles normales de LH y sensibilidad testicular normal, el aumento testicular normal (la vuelta a los niveles normales de testosterona) se consigue con dosis únicamente de 250 UI, con un aumento consiguiente de 500 UI o incluso de 5000 UI (parte que necesita supervisión en la traducción).

En este momento, alcanzan los testículos su máxima secreción, alcanzando hasta el 140% sobre su capacidad normal. Si usted ha permitido que sus testículos queden desensibilizados debido a la aplicación de un ciclo de esteroides normal (8- 16 semanas), entonces se requerirán unas dosis mayores de HCG para reactivar y recuperar los testículos, en un intento por restaurar el tamaño y las funciones originales. Pero se ha expuesto (se entiende al no usar HCG durante el ciclo) a que sus testículo no recuperen sus funciones y tamaño originales (o recuperación completa).

Un término crítico que es necesario entender es que la capacidad de secreción de la testosterona que es sinónima a la sensibilidad testicular.
Ésta es la cantidad de testosterona que sus testículos pueden producir al recibir un estímulo de LH o de HCG (se entiende tanto natural como artificial). Por lo tanto si usted pierde la capacidad de secretar testosterona (sensibilidad testicular reducida), necesitará más estímulo o más cantidad de LH o HCG para tener los mismo efectos de recuperación que si usted tuviera la capacidad normal de secreción de testosterona.

AHORA LO IMPORTANTE:
Si usted reduce demasiado su capacidad de secreción de testosterona, NINGUNA cantidad de HCG o LH activará de nuevo la capacidad de producir testosterona de sus testículos. Y este estado conducirá a la falta permanente de testosterona.

Para hacernos una idea de la degeneración que se da en los testículos durante un ciclo de esteroides anabólicos medio, tenemos a continuación (o aquí) un ejemplo:
Los niveles de LH se reducen considerablemente (o rápidamente) a partir del 2º día de la administración de esteroides. Cerrando la señal de la LH (pituitaria --> testículos) y produciendo que los testículos dejen de funcionar alrededor de la semana 12- 16 (se produce en menor medida en ciclos más cortos como ya sabemos), se reduce la célula de Leydig en un 90%, disminución de la TIT en un 94%, reducción de la INSL3 un 95%, mientras que la capacidad de producir testosterona se reduce en un 98%.

Nota: Analizar el tamaño de los testículos visualmente, es un método poco científico (o pobre) para poder juzgar su función testicular real, puesto que el tamaño testicular no se relaciona directamente con la capacidad de producir (o secretar) testosterona. Esto es debido (o se basa) a que las células de Leydig, que son los lugares primero de secreción de testosterona, sólo componen el 10% del tamaño testicular total. Por lo tanto cuando los testículos pueden parecer entre un 5- 10% más pequeños, la capacidad de éstos de producir testosterona como respuesta a un estímulo de la HCG o la LH se puede reducir realmente en cerca del 98%. Lo importante aquí es no juzgar la producción de testosterona real según el tamaño de los testículos.

La disminución de la capacidad de secretar testosterona por parte de los testículos se demostró en un estudio en el que los atletas tomaban esteroides durante 16 semanas y posteriormente se les trataba con HCG (4500 UI). Se encontró (o demostró) que los usuarios de esteroides eran cerca de 20 veces menos sensibles a la HCG que aquellos que no había tomado esteroides. Es decir, su capacidad de producir testosterona se redujo drásticamente al no recibir ningún estímulo de LH durante 16 semanas. Básicamente, los testículos perdieron sensibilidad y perdieron tamaño (o se redujeron).

MUY IMPORTANTE:
Los estudios que se realizaron posteriormente con un tratamiento agresivo de hasta 10.000 UI E3D durante 12 semanas NO podían devolver a los testículos a su tamaño y funcionamiento conpletos.
Otro estudio con hombres que realizaron ciclos (se entiende que sin la aplicación de HCG) durante 6 semanas volvió a fracasar. Los bio-marcadores como la INSL3 (importante marcador que mide el potencial de producción de testosterona y esperma) con aplicaciones de 5000 UI semanales (durante 12 semanas) demostraron el fracaso.

Lo que demuestran estos estudios es que la posposición del uso de HCG (se entiende que hasta después del ciclo) aumenta la necesidad de una cantidad mayor de HCG y DISMINUYEN las posibilidades reales de recuperación. Por consiguiente una dosis más alta de HCG al final de un ciclo lo que hará (o producirá) es un aumento de los estrógenos desproporcionado respecto a la testosterona, que entonces causará la supresión de la HPTA (el estrógeno alto) y aumentará, por otra parte, el aumento de riesgo de sufrir ginecomastia.
Por ejemplo, las altas dosis de HCG han producido aumentos del estradiol de hasta un 165%, mientras que el aumento de la testosterona tan sólo aumentó un 140%.

Y dosis más altas de HCG producen la reducción de concentración de receptores de LH y degradan las enzimas responsables de la síntesis de la testosterona dentro de los testículos. Aunque estos efectos se puede reducir con el uso de algunso SERMs, por ejemplo tamoxifeno, estos generarán a su vez otros inconvenientes (importante recordar que estamos hablando siempre de problemas que sucederán si no se usan de forma correcta durante el ciclo).

MUY IMPORTANTE: A la luz de las evidencias anteriormente expuestas, es obvio que debemos tomar medidas preventivas para evitar (o con el fin) esta degeneración testicular. Debemos proteger nuestra sensibilidad testicular. Además, la HCG que es fácil de conseguir y se pincha sin apenas dolor, es ideal ya que cualquier persona la puede usar (o nadie debería no usarla) durante el ciclo.
De acuerdo con los estudios realizados con hombres normales que usaban esteroides, la administración diaria de HCG en cantidades de 100UI era más que sufciente para mantener la sensibilidad testicular correctamente y los niveles de TIT, sin causar la desensibilización asociada a mayores cantidades de HCG. Es importante que las dosis bajas de HCG sean usadas antes de que se reduzca la sensibilidad testicular, que aparece durante las 2-3 primeras semanas de aplicación de esteroides. Es importante también continuar con el uso de HCG antes de comenzar el PTC, para que las células de Leydig se resensibilicen a la producción de LH del propio cuerpo. Para aumentar esta sensibilidad (o para recuperar) el suplemento Toco-8 puede ser utilizado.

MUY IMPORTANTE: Una mejor alternativa a la anterior, es usar pinchazos de HCG dos veces por semana a razón de 200 UI o una vez por semana 500 UI (recordemos que los expertos de TUPINCHO recomiendan 500 UI/E4D o E/5, lo que nos da aproximadamente una vez por semana). Aunque puede ser mejor, la aplicación de pinchos más frecuentemente en cantidades menores, para estimular la secreción del propio cuerpo de LH y reducir al mínimo la conversión a estrógenos.
Si usted comienza tarde con el uso de HCG en el ciclo, uno podría realizar un cálculo aproximado de la HCG de retraso que acumula de la siguiente manera:
Cada día 40 UI x días de ausencia de LH, debido a que los testículos perderán sensibilidad testicular, requiriendo unas dosis más elevadas (ejemplo: 40 IU x 60 días = 2400 UI de HCG). El HCG no se debe utilizar como PTC.

Recapitulación:
Para preservar la sensibilidad testicular, el uso de 100 UI/ ED (o los similares, anteriormente citados) de HCG debería comenzar 7 días después de la administración de los esteroides. Al final del ciclo, la retirada del HCG se debe producir 2 semanas antes de la eliminación total de los esteroides del cuerpo.
Por ejemplo se debería de dejar de usar el HCG al mismo tiempo que pasa el efecto de su último pincho de Enanato. O 10 días antes de su última toma de esteroides orales. Esto permitiría un aumento considerable en los niveles de hormonas, mientras que se inicia la producción de LH y FSH pituitario, para comenzar a estimular sus testículos y la producción de testosterona.

Recuerde que la recuperación no comenzará hasta que la HCG exógena desaparezca de su cuerpo y entonces se empiece a producir su propia LH.

En conclusión, hemos aprendido que utilizar el HCG durante un ciclo de esteroides prevendrá la degeneración testicular, ayudando a crear una transición sútil (o suave, no brusca) que evitará el desplome de las ganancias al final del ciclo."

BY ismaele00

Thanks.
 
needto, how does your post apply to the supplements in your store? I rarely see people taking hcg during a cycle of just Beastdrol/Superdrol Havoc/Katanadrol etc. should it be?
 
needto, how does your post apply to the supplements in your store? I rarely see people taking hcg during a cycle of just Beastdrol/Superdrol Havoc/Katanadrol etc. should it be?

No need for HCG on cycles under 6-8 weeks...
 
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. (1) More specifically LH is the primary signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone.

When steroids are administered, LH levels rapidly decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, which causes rapid onset of testicular degeneration. The testicular degeneration begins with a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-like factor 3 (INSL3) – All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. (2-6,19) However, this degeneration can be prevented by a small maintenance dose of hCG ran throughout the cycle. Unfortunately, most steroid users have been engrained to believe that hCG should be used after a cycle, during PCT. Upon reviewing the science and basic endocrinology you will see that a faster and more complete recovery is possible if hCG is ran during a cycle.

Firstly, we must understand the clinical history of hCG to understand its purpose and its most efficient application. Many popular “steroid profiles” advocate using hCG at a dose of 2500-5000iu once or twice a week. These were the kind of dosages used in the historical (1960’s) hCG studies for hypogonadal men who had reduced testicular sensitivity due to prolonged LH deficiency. (21,22) A prolonged LH deficiency causes the testes to desensitize, requiring a higher hCG dose for ample stimulation. In men with normal LH levels and normal testicular sensitivity, the maximum increase of testosterone is seen from a dose of only 250iu, with minimal increases obtained from 500iu or even 5000iu. (2,11) (It appears the testes maximum secretion of testosterone is about 140% above their normal capacity.) (12-18) If you have allowed your testes to desensitize over the length of a typical steroid cycle, (8-16 weeks) then you would require a higher dose to elicit a response in an attempt to restore normal testicular size and function – but there is cost to this, and a high probability that you won’t regain full testicular function.

One term that is critical to understand is testosterone secretion capacity which is synonymous to testicular sensitivity. This is the amount of testosterone your testes can produce from any given LH or hCG stimulation. Therefore, if you have reduced testosterone secretion capacity (reduced testicular sensitivity), it will take more LH or hCG stimulation to produce the same result as if you had normal testosterone secretion capacity. If you reduce your testosterone secretion capacity too much, then no amount of LH or hCG stimulation will trigger normal testosterone production – and this leads to permanently reduced testosterone production.

To get an idea of how quickly you can reduce your testosterone secretion capacity from your average steroid cycle, consider this: LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. (2,9,10) By shutting down the LH signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases 90%, ITT decreases 94%, INSL3 decreases 95%, while the capacity to secrete testosterone decreases as much as 98%. (2-6)

Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. (4) This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) The point here is to not judge testosterone secretion capacity by testicular size.

The decreased testosterone secretion capacity caused by steroid use was well demonstrated in a study on power athletes who used steroids for 16 weeks, and were then administered 4500iu hCG post cycle. It was found that the steroid users were about 20 times less responsive to hCG, when compared to normal men who did not use steroids. (8) In other words, their testosterone secretion capacity was dramatically reduced because they did not receive an LH signal for 16 weeks. The testes essentially became desensitized and crippled. Case studies with steroid using patients show that aggressive long-term treatment with hCG at dosages as high as 10,000iu E3D for 12 weeks were unable to return full testicular size. (7) Another study with men using low dose steroids for 6 weeks showed unsuccessful return of Insulin-like factor-3 (INSL3) concentration in the testes upon 5000iu/wk of HCG treatment for 12 weeks (6) (INSL3 is an important biomarker for testosterone production potential and sperm production. 20)

These studies show that postponing hCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. (11) For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. (11) Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes (12,13,19 ) -- the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article).

In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.

Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)

A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose)

Note: If following the on cycle hCG protocol, hCG should NOT be used for PCT.

Recap –

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash.

If only first time users would read this and actually follow the protocol. Also, most people can't get hcg so I'd say probably 90% of first time AAS users don't do this and/or do too many cycles without fully recovering. Then, decide to throw hcg in at the beginning of cycle. This is what bugs me, It makes me wonder how less responsive the user will be and if 500iu weekly is even doing anything. Could it possibly even be doing more damage? If I knew then what I know now I would have ran this hcg protocol along with hmg maybe around 75ius weekly.
 
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