when did these high doses become the right thing?

[solidspine]

If higher dosages were the answer guys on this board would be monsters. Although some bros look real good, I also see a lot of pics of guys who look like any average Joe who works out. Sometimes not even that. And they're juicing harder than Dorian did. Think about that.

Well Nelson, I will think about it and let you know how I am progressing.

why do you need to use such high doses? congrats on your BP butr have you considered your cholesterol and liver enzymes?

im sure you look great but sir youre old. do you tell your doctor about your steroid use and get your vitals checked?

please dont get all defensive as i am not coming down on you. its your body and you can do what you want. this seems excessive even for a young guy.

Yes my blood work, cholesterol and liver enzymes are fine, a few years ago, I had some liver problems, and I am aware that the liver supposedly does not heal, how ever, my liver is back to normal----go figure.

I don’t share my gear usage with any of my MD’s, My blood pressure is high, but high even when not on gear, so I regularly take diovan for b/p. I have cut the dosage considerably, kind of an experiment. I had surgery about 4 years ago when on a cycle, and the anesthesia gave me serious problems, I believe this was because I was taking gear, don’t know, others have said, they have been under anesthesia on gear and all was well

I have been cycling for over 10 years and on straight for a long time now, about 4 years.

Is that what it takes to gain 20 lbs. of muscle?

Needtogetass I will tell you in 14 weeks

bigjd69

Is that you in the avatar, if so, I am switching from test E to test c thank you.

Originally Posted by OMEGA
I think people worry that NEWBS will run a Gram or more which is WRONG to do in my opinion.

I forget who but several vets used to say "do a gram of Test your first cycle" etc

Quoted just last week by Ulter

 

[Nelson Montana]

A gram a week for newies recommended.
Quoted just last week by Ulter

A perfect example. Someone with no cred whatsoever becoming a message board guru simply for the fact that he takes pro-level dosages. Meanwhile, he has a half assed fit body at best. It's good that he's been exposed and it's good he's gone.


I put on 25 pounds in two years drug free (in my late 30's) by training the right way and eating everything in sight. (And some supps for a little extra help). Food will do more than drugs. In fact, Larry Scott has said he felt the d-bol helped him put on mass mainly because it increased his appetite!

 

[NYBodyguard]

after this whole thread so much talking and proving yet people still dont fucking get it, well maybe they will when they are in the ICU with a failed liver or kidney or both and an enlarged heart, maybe just maybe it will be a wake up call, or maybe you will have your friend still inject you with the grams of tests while you lay there like a veggie.

stupid fucks and you deserve it, next time listen!

 

[needtogetaas]

I will be starting this monday and now I feel that i'm doing to much after reading this thread! Some very good points were thrown out in the thread, makes me wonder. My buddy is a national competitor and he does very well with low doses. In this cycle I was just using the norm doses for each compound. 400-500mgs of test, 600mgs of EQ, and 300mgs of tren. Those are usually baseline dosages for each of the compounds. As far as the var goes I just heard so many good things about it if ran 80mgs+.

1-8 - Anavar 80-100 mgs/ED

1-20 - Test Cyp 500mgs/EW & down to 400mgs/EW weeks 9-20

1-20 - Equipoise 600mgs/EW

9-20 - Tren Enanthate 300mgs/EW

9-22 - Turinabol, halo, or winstrol.

thats not that bad but if its your first it is.I am going to run eq soon but going to run it at 400mg despite half the board telling me I need to run it at 600mg.

 

[UFC22]

Quote:
Originally Posted by UFC22
I will be starting this monday and now I feel that i'm doing to much after reading this thread! Some very good points were thrown out in the thread, makes me wonder. My buddy is a national competitor and he does very well with low doses. In this cycle I was just using the norm doses for each compound. 400-500mgs of test, 600mgs of EQ, and 300mgs of tren. Those are usually baseline dosages for each of the compounds. As far as the var goes I just heard so many good things about it if ran 80mgs+.

1-8 - Anavar 80-100 mgs/ED

1-20 - Test Cyp 500mgs/EW & down to 400mgs/EW weeks 9-20

1-20 - Equipoise 600mgs/EW

9-20 - Tren Enanthate 300mgs/EW

9-22 - Turinabol, halo, or winstrol.

thats not that bad but if its your first it is.I am going to run eq soon but going to run it at 400mg despite half the board telling me I need to run it at 600mg.

It's about my 3rd cycle. I think I might stick with 600mgs on the EQ mainly because my eq is 600mgs per cc and thats the norm dosage around these parts.

 

[solidspine]

Nelson

A perfect example. Someone with no cred whatsoever becoming a message board guru simply for the fact that he takes pro-level dosages. Meanwhile, he has a half assed fit body at best. It's good that he's been exposed and it's good he's gone.

I have no idea what kind of cycles or gear he takes,

my interest are personal and not based upon jealously or competitive rivalry.

It's good that he's been exposed and it's good he's gone.

“Exposed”

I am not certain what you are referring do, and don’t care and don’t want to know.

But Ulter was a wealth of information, right or wrong and he will be missed on this board by many, myself included.

 

[gymratforlife]

I can tell you all this and you can all take it for what its worth and flame away if you please.I have done quite a few cycles and quite a few very long cycles too.I have ran as high as 2gs combined of gear and it does make a huge difference from runing a gram or under.How does it make a difference?I put on more weight than ever in my life on gear in just 6 weeks time,I got more sides than ever in my life on gear.I got sides that I never had gotten before and have never went away since those days.This was the reason why the cycle lasted only 6 weeks.

 

[needtogetaas]

It's about my 3rd cycle. I think I might stick with 600mgs on the EQ mainly because my eq is 600mgs per cc and thats the norm dosage around these parts.

ya it pretty much is the norm around here.

 

[samoth]

Doses touted on steroid message boards today are double that of five years ago, and I've certainly seen no evidence that people are any bigger or stronger because of it. Complications and health problems, however, seem rampant when they used to be a rare exception to the norm.

Considering how commonplace making one's own solution for injection or buying from those who do the same, the general lack of basic knowledge in chemistry, biology and pharmacodynamics is rather pathetic. Everyone preachs research and knowledge, but when such is obtained solely by means of internet message boards it gives only a basal level of information, nearly all of which is repetition and hearsay from the plethora of posters who are either too lazy or too ignorant to truely learn what the hell they're talking about.

Why is 1,000mg of xyz steroid better than 500mg? The universal response seems to be more steroids = more anabolic/androgenic activity + increased appetite = more weight/strength gains. Unfortunetly, this seems to be the end-all of most reasoning. I rarely ever see discussion of nitrogen retention, dose threshholds and limits of weight gains, biomechanical limits to tolerable loads on skeleton and tendons, organ hypertrophy, adrenergic-like effects, energy-deficit effects when on restricted calories, ad nauseum. I don't seem to recall anyone (including sponsors) discussing how aromatase inhibitors can enhance the negative effects of steroids and block the postive ones...

Furthermore, results and studies of steroids often omit the magnitude of pharmacological effects, actions through nonandrogenic receptors, and actions through large increases in metabolites -- these aren't important in normal concentrations of steroids for any area of medicine, but at the levels commonly used around here they become first-order effects. But hey, as long as everyone else is doing it, it can't be that bad, can it?

Rather ironic that no one discusses the well-researched potential for physical and psychological dependence on anabolic steroids. But wait... dependence is a word used for drug users... and we're not drug users, right? ... Right??

 

[digimon7068]

The reason the stories have changed is clearly for one reason -- internet message boards. And the proliferation of self appointed experts with no cred beyond posting on message boards.

what do you think is reasonable for those of us that have been training for quite a while. . .and maybe we're getting a little older (i'm 42) and we're just looking to keep our "edge" and get/stay lean??

i mentioned my current regimen the other day but here it is again for this thread. . .

dbol 20mg ed 1-3
omna 500 ew 1-8
deca 300 ew 1-8
prop 100 ed 9-10

is this overkill iyho??