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Vitamin C supplaments...who here takes em
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Island Son
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I was thinking about increasing my dose a while back and found this article
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In another chronic copper deficiency / high Vitamin C example, a young boy was brought into my office to investigate the reason why his leg bones were soft and becoming increasingly malformed. It turned out that his father was giving him 2,000 mg of Vitamin C a day, starting shortly after he was born, which resulted in a severe, long-term copper deficiency. Reducing the Vitamin C to more reasonable levels, and recommending some copper-rich foods for the boy, normalized the problem.
Ascorbic acid lowers Zinc directly, and it lowers it indirectly by supporting iron uptake, so while higher intake of Vitamin C would likely be beneficial for those suffering from some forms of anemia, leukemia, left-sided ovarian cysts, or from prostatitis, it could compromise benign prostatic hypertrophy, certain liver conditions (hemochromatosis), or more serious kidney disease (renal failure).
Larger amounts of Vitamin C lower Manganese levels and aid greater insulin production in those capable of producing insulin, which may be beneficial for Type II diabetics, but it would worsen those with hypoglycemic tendencies that exhibit low sodium, since sodium slows insulin response, so high intake of Vitamin C would create larger insulin spikes. (see also Acu-Cell Disorders "Hypoglycemia").
By lowering manganese, Vitamin C affects glycogen stores in the liver, decreasing the liver's ability to store larger amounts. Manganese has some control over the liver's ability to break down estrogen, so too much Vitamin C can affect the length of the menstrual cycle and worsen low estrogenic-types of PMS. On the other hand, congestive liver disease of the right large liver lobe will benefit from a greater intake of Vitamin C by reducing the symptoms of high estrogenic-types of PMS, while at the same time reducing the risk of developing estrogen-sensitive types of cancers or (fibroid) tumors resulting from a lifelong higher mean average of estrogen.
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http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html
he goes into a TON of depth about its effects on calcium, zinc, nickel and copper levels and what the side effects are when the ratios go out of balance.
I'd like to get a blood test to figure out what my optimal supplementation would be. But I heard it's expensive...
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In another chronic copper deficiency / high Vitamin C example, a young boy was brought into my office to investigate the reason why his leg bones were soft and becoming increasingly malformed. It turned out that his father was giving him 2,000 mg of Vitamin C a day, starting shortly after he was born, which resulted in a severe, long-term copper deficiency. Reducing the Vitamin C to more reasonable levels, and recommending some copper-rich foods for the boy, normalized the problem.
Ascorbic acid lowers Zinc directly, and it lowers it indirectly by supporting iron uptake, so while higher intake of Vitamin C would likely be beneficial for those suffering from some forms of anemia, leukemia, left-sided ovarian cysts, or from prostatitis, it could compromise benign prostatic hypertrophy, certain liver conditions (hemochromatosis), or more serious kidney disease (renal failure).
Larger amounts of Vitamin C lower Manganese levels and aid greater insulin production in those capable of producing insulin, which may be beneficial for Type II diabetics, but it would worsen those with hypoglycemic tendencies that exhibit low sodium, since sodium slows insulin response, so high intake of Vitamin C would create larger insulin spikes. (see also Acu-Cell Disorders "Hypoglycemia").
By lowering manganese, Vitamin C affects glycogen stores in the liver, decreasing the liver's ability to store larger amounts. Manganese has some control over the liver's ability to break down estrogen, so too much Vitamin C can affect the length of the menstrual cycle and worsen low estrogenic-types of PMS. On the other hand, congestive liver disease of the right large liver lobe will benefit from a greater intake of Vitamin C by reducing the symptoms of high estrogenic-types of PMS, while at the same time reducing the risk of developing estrogen-sensitive types of cancers or (fibroid) tumors resulting from a lifelong higher mean average of estrogen.
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http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html
he goes into a TON of depth about its effects on calcium, zinc, nickel and copper levels and what the side effects are when the ratios go out of balance.
I'd like to get a blood test to figure out what my optimal supplementation would be. But I heard it's expensive...
javaguru
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Also, I saw another study that as a single dosage of ascorbic acid over 250mg showed a dramatic decrease in absorption. The researcher recommended single doses no larger than 250mg, diminishing returns. Just take it more frequently. Ester C is basically just calcium ascorbate, which you can find cheaper than the brand name, and isn't even an ester.
Island Son
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In addition, it is better to use a basic multi-vitamin / mineral formulation
with as many essential ingredients as possible, but not much higher than the RDA / DRI, despite the fact that this will also not provide optimal amounts of nutrients.
The reason is simply that no multi-formulation will ever provide all essential nutrients in their optimal configuration for everyone. Requirements not only vary from one person to another, but they even vary for the same person over a lifetime. In addition, the nutrients not provided will increasingly become deficient ratio-wise if a high-potency supplement is used. Unfortunately, optimal intake of Vitamin C - or any other nutrient - can usually only be achieved by those who have the resources to measure their actual individual requirements. "Bowel Tolerance" supplementation of Vitamin C only measures one's tolerance to the type of Vitamin C and the amounts used, but it does not reflect optimal intake.
Randomly megadosing on single nutrients (which includes Vitamin C) creates a risk of significantly imbalancing one's system, and it makes little difference whether water-soluble vitamins like Vitamin C and B-vitamins are used or not. While excessive intake of fat-soluble vitamins as well as overdosing on a number of trace minerals can be toxic, even water-soluble nutrients can do an amazing amount of damage when regularly overdosed on during their sometimes short journey through the body.
Any time a single nutrient is supplemented at excessive amounts, one is really dealing with a much more powerful drug-like effect. And although this has a greater potential to help a medical situation, it equally has the potential of making a particular medical condition worse, or even create new ones if inappropriately used. Supplementing above-RDA / DRI amounts of Vitamin C will most certainly have a positive effect on most people's general health, however the decision to megadose on Vit C (> 5,000 mg) - or any other nutrient - should at least be supported with some valid clinical reasons or evidence.
In most cases, it is the synergistic effect of several similar nutritional compounds that yield the best results because of their more food-like attributes, and their lesser chance of provoking side effects. Rutin and Hesperidin are the main flavonoids / bioflavonoids - or accessory nutrients - that form an ascorbic acid or Vitamin C complex. Both function synergistically with Vitamin C in regard to numerous health issues which are addressed further below. (see also Acu-Cell "Bioflavonoids").
Being educated about nutrition and trying to take control of one's health is highly commendable, but sometimes it certainly helps to have a medical professional check out what all that supplementation is actually doing to one's system.
with as many essential ingredients as possible, but not much higher than the RDA / DRI, despite the fact that this will also not provide optimal amounts of nutrients.
The reason is simply that no multi-formulation will ever provide all essential nutrients in their optimal configuration for everyone. Requirements not only vary from one person to another, but they even vary for the same person over a lifetime. In addition, the nutrients not provided will increasingly become deficient ratio-wise if a high-potency supplement is used. Unfortunately, optimal intake of Vitamin C - or any other nutrient - can usually only be achieved by those who have the resources to measure their actual individual requirements. "Bowel Tolerance" supplementation of Vitamin C only measures one's tolerance to the type of Vitamin C and the amounts used, but it does not reflect optimal intake.
Randomly megadosing on single nutrients (which includes Vitamin C) creates a risk of significantly imbalancing one's system, and it makes little difference whether water-soluble vitamins like Vitamin C and B-vitamins are used or not. While excessive intake of fat-soluble vitamins as well as overdosing on a number of trace minerals can be toxic, even water-soluble nutrients can do an amazing amount of damage when regularly overdosed on during their sometimes short journey through the body.
Any time a single nutrient is supplemented at excessive amounts, one is really dealing with a much more powerful drug-like effect. And although this has a greater potential to help a medical situation, it equally has the potential of making a particular medical condition worse, or even create new ones if inappropriately used. Supplementing above-RDA / DRI amounts of Vitamin C will most certainly have a positive effect on most people's general health, however the decision to megadose on Vit C (> 5,000 mg) - or any other nutrient - should at least be supported with some valid clinical reasons or evidence.
In most cases, it is the synergistic effect of several similar nutritional compounds that yield the best results because of their more food-like attributes, and their lesser chance of provoking side effects. Rutin and Hesperidin are the main flavonoids / bioflavonoids - or accessory nutrients - that form an ascorbic acid or Vitamin C complex. Both function synergistically with Vitamin C in regard to numerous health issues which are addressed further below. (see also Acu-Cell "Bioflavonoids").
Being educated about nutrition and trying to take control of one's health is highly commendable, but sometimes it certainly helps to have a medical professional check out what all that supplementation is actually doing to one's system.
Island Son said:
I started to write that it was not the high dose of C that was at fault, but I see that was at least partially addressed in this and the next post.
Many vitamins and minerals are to a very significant degree interdependent and you have to consider the overall balance when increasing the dose of a single vitamin. The intake of interdependent micronutrients have to be increased as well.
A quick example is that phosphorus binds calcium, which is not a problem, unless you drink a lot of sodas and dont also boost your calcium intake substantially. If not, then your several sodas a day will leave you calcium deficient even though your intake may have been fine for a non-soda drinker.
Island Son
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yeah i cut and pasted a couple of sections, he goes into the pros and cons in a lot of depth. http://www.acu-cell.com/
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