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You're not trying to convince a mod. Any mod. You're trying to convince me.SublimeZM said:
The bit about "he didn't create alters until he was banned". What is the point of tossing someone out if he's going to turn around and walk right back in like nothing happened? What kind of "timeout" is that?
So is it really just a time out? Or an all out toss out?digger said:
If it were a timeout -- and I'm not saying it was -- he's started it over three times already.superqt4u2nv said:
When someone gets a timeout, THEY do not decide when it's over. Real simple.
Let's focus. (HumanTarget, talkin' to you now.) You got something to say in the guy's defense, this is where it goes. Put it up. I don't see how letting him dump on other people here is doing him a favor.
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Spartacus
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during my time-out I created an alter just to log in and keep up with events
I felt like some sort of ghost
I felt like some sort of ghost
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musclemuscle
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digger said:
THE GUY WAS A DICK...I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD BAN HIM
IF THIS IS ALL HE HAS THEN MAYBE THIS BAN OR TIMEOUT OR WHATEVER IT IS WILL DO HIM GOOD
MAYBE HE WILL DO SOMETHING WITH HIMSELF AND KICK HIMSELF IN THE ASS AND MAKE SOMETHING OF HIMSELF......MAYBE HIS HEART WILL CHANGE, DOUBTFULL....BUT IT COULD HAPPEN
AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL....SRYY I TYPED THIS ALL IN CAPS....
MM, if you tell me he didn't get to you, I'm willing to take that into consideration; but it's not just about him dissing you.
I am royally pissed off at the people saying "it's just words" or "you're a pussy if you let words get to you." Hey! Over here, guys. If words don't matter to you, why are you here? This place is all about words. Words are how you put an idea in someone's head, and the idea that Ulcaster tried to put in MM's head was evil.
"Hey, Musclemuscle has an ugly little dog. He cares about it. I can use that to hurt him."
What kind of sick fuck uses the things you care about against you? You think UC should come back, I need a good answer to that question.
I am royally pissed off at the people saying "it's just words" or "you're a pussy if you let words get to you." Hey! Over here, guys. If words don't matter to you, why are you here? This place is all about words. Words are how you put an idea in someone's head, and the idea that Ulcaster tried to put in MM's head was evil.
"Hey, Musclemuscle has an ugly little dog. He cares about it. I can use that to hurt him."
What kind of sick fuck uses the things you care about against you? You think UC should come back, I need a good answer to that question.
I guess he reminds me of someone i knew some years back. Someone who finally made it through that quicksand that can suck you straight down so fast. I can't argue your point, he did say some effed up shit. I had said earlier that i wasn't holding my breath for his return, because life is about limits, and several of those limits were pushed quite far recently. The only thing i can say is that i know the guy has some gray matter up there. Hopefully, with some time and nudging in the right direction, he'll finally see the light.
This has happened a few times in the past. The suspensions, timeouts, what have you. The people who recieve them typically adjust and move on. UD has had a couple and was walking that chalk line but he'd stumble occasionally. He's also been the butt end of long running, embarrasing threads about him. Which, he's handled pretty well. I think a lot of the time he gets pushed, by the same type of words he has used, and lashes out. He's only in his mid 20's, which is still way young nowadays, so hopefully the coming maturity will also bring some restraint.
its not a good timeout, that was stupid on his part. but im just saying perkele said the original reason he was banned is cause he creates alters, and im just trying to point out that the only reason he created the alters was because he was banned... im not trying to tell the mods what happened, since they obviously know more about it than i do, im just trying to inform the other members who would cast judgements, because of the whole alter scares that are going around.digger said:
just so you know, hes a good guy, and he thought he was being funny when th esaid the strangle thing. i actually did find it funny.(maybe just cuase i knew he was joking)musclemuscle said:THE GUY WAS A DICK...I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD BAN HIM
IF THIS IS ALL HE HAS THEN MAYBE THIS BAN OR TIMEOUT OR WHATEVER IT IS WILL DO HIM GOOD
MAYBE HE WILL DO SOMETHING WITH HIMSELF AND KICK HIMSELF IN THE ASS AND MAKE SOMETHING OF HIMSELF......MAYBE HIS HEART WILL CHANGE, DOUBTFULL....BUT IT COULD HAPPEN
AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL....SRYY I TYPED THIS ALL IN CAPS....
i think a constant harrasment IS a problem.digger said:
musclemuscle is one of the regulars here, and frequently jokes around with other memebers, so i think ulcaster thought that MM could take a joke. i dont think ulcaster did it to be truley evil, but more portray a character of sinisteria (not sure thats the right word), to someone he thought has thick enough skin to take it, or even find humor in it.
some might say this is irrelevent, but i think it needs to be said.
im one of many arabs/mideasterners who post here, and im also muslim on my birht certificate (i say that because im not sure what i personally believe).
there have been so many threads with people saying things about how arabs are evil, and islam is an evil and violent religion. if someone speaks up about knowing good muslims and arabs, they are told that they arnt REAL muslims and arabs, because real ones hate americans and are evil. well im sorry, but thats increadibly STUPID and ignorant, and i, being a lebanese american, and going over to the mideast many times, know that these people are no more hateful or prejudice (and probably alot less so,) than most americans i have come into contact with.
i hate to name names, but curling is one of the people who constantly says that kind of stuff, yet he is still here. curling truley believes this, and doesnt take into consideration people who might take offense to these comments, but ulcaster, who was trying to be funny, gets banned for talking about strangling a dog that hes never EVER going to probably be within 100 miles of?
im not saying to ban curling, but im saying that i say its easy to ignore words, because i do it all the time. i sit and read people insulting my background, my families religion,. i let them have their views, and say what they wanna chat and converse about, and in turn, understand that i too, at any time, can speak my mind.
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meh, there was a bit more harshness to it than would be normally acceptable, but, in my opinion i dont see how it can be any worse than "having sex with your mom" jokes. and muscle muscle started confrontation with him, and ulcaster was just trying to have fun with it, even though his sense of humor is a bit twisted (but then again so is mine.)digger said:
i dont see ulcaster going up to innocent people who never get invovled in drama like sassy, or bunny from girlchat, and saying horrible things to them...he only does it to people he feels might see some fun in it.
also i find it pretty shady, how EVERYONE jumps on ulcaster for his comment,
when swole said
about the dog, and recieved a "LOL" and no negative comments to it. thats a double standard right there.
and as for ulcaster's harsh response to MM calling him out about his strangle comment, i intrpret that as more of a "you can mess with me, but i cant mess with you back? well fuck you."
HumanTarget said:
including by me. people make mistakes, and cross lines, and it isnt always on purpose...Mr. dB said:
i made that thread about "who would lose their virginity first"...ulcaster didnt find it very funny that i included him and he got mad at me and said something in retaliation to me, and you know what i did?
i typed out a huge message telling him to "Grow the fuck up, and learn to take a joke", but i never sent that message, because i wanted to keep it on a joking level, like i always have on C&C. if i hurt someones feelings, i say sorry, thats how i am. if i HAD sent that, i would have turned my original joke into more of an attack
if your trying to look at ulcaster and MM's confrontation in a non joking light, then you can say
MM was bombing ulcaster alot, and ulcaster got mad and said something harsh to him, (which i still think had a twist of humor). MM didnt like it, and told ulcaster off in response to it. ulcaster then responds back to him with another harsh statement.
ulcaster couldnt step back like i did, and consider that he should try and realize that his joke might have offended someone, and instead of meeting the response with an apology, like i stepped back and did, he instead followed impulse and attacked him right back, making his original joke seem like an intentional attack.
again, this is exactly what i was about to do, when i got into that confrontation with ulcaster. i was about to attack him for taking offense, but i pulled away.
now if ulcaster is banned because he does not have this tact required to pull back and consider ones words, then MM should be banned too, for not being able to handle the concequences of his recreational bombings.
I'm not real happy with "recreational bombings" -- and before Lestat jumps in here with yet another comment about it being harmless teasing, save it, nugga. I got an unopened box full of that. You want to know who the bombs have driven off the site, we're talking about him right here.
Got a relative newbie Plat, riding people for debateable reasons, and he runs into someone who doesn't handle it well. He figures he paid for the privilege, and at some level that is what the Plat membership is all about: pony up some bucks, get an unfair advantage.
But the other guy is still making really disturbing word-pictures. Going nuclear.
We had a guy here who started threads about raping another guy's kids; remember that? I took him out back with the shotgun and a shovel. Couple of people said "It's just an Internet board, it's just a joke." Not many, not very loud, not at all convincing.
Honestly, I really am befuddled at the way you guys are jumping to his defense. Where is this coming from?
Got a relative newbie Plat, riding people for debateable reasons, and he runs into someone who doesn't handle it well. He figures he paid for the privilege, and at some level that is what the Plat membership is all about: pony up some bucks, get an unfair advantage.
But the other guy is still making really disturbing word-pictures. Going nuclear.
We had a guy here who started threads about raping another guy's kids; remember that? I took him out back with the shotgun and a shovel. Couple of people said "It's just an Internet board, it's just a joke." Not many, not very loud, not at all convincing.
Honestly, I really am befuddled at the way you guys are jumping to his defense. Where is this coming from?
i think it's because deep down he really, really liked this place. his post count can attest to that. Div and JA didn't get near this kinda of support, but then again, they had a "fuck this place" attitude. UD had some good contacts here and i think he really needed that. who knows, he could be pulling a Kaiser Souze and be fooling us all. but i think he is the way he says he is.
woah...talking about raping someones kids is in my opinion WAYYY to out there, but i dont think strangling a dog can compare.digger said:
i hope you read all my posts, because im not gunna repeat the stuff i said, but in answer to where all this is coming from,
i believe im the one who made the thread about unbanning curling, and as you could see from my post a couple posts up, i dont really like the guy, or his opinions.
i just dont think bannings for things said in C&C are really cool...the whole point of C&C is to state whats on ones mind, and if someone wants to stick with serious topics and not deal with opinions or possible offensive comments, then they are perfectly safe in the topiced forums (training, anabolics, etc)
The thing that people need to remember is that the words you type on here are all we can base our opinion of you on. Most of us don't know you in real life, and we can only form opinions on you by what you type. Yes these are just words on a screen, but these words are the first impressions that we make with each other.
Don't you never talk that way to me!
You hear? You hear? Never!
His rage subsides and his voice becomes calm, reasonable.
CAPTAIN
(to the men)
What we got here is a failure to
communicate. Some men you can't reach,
that is they just don't listen when
you talk reasonable so you get what
we had here last week, which is the
way he wants it, well he gets it,
and I don't like it any better than
you men.
You hear? You hear? Never!
His rage subsides and his voice becomes calm, reasonable.
CAPTAIN
(to the men)
What we got here is a failure to
communicate. Some men you can't reach,
that is they just don't listen when
you talk reasonable so you get what
we had here last week, which is the
way he wants it, well he gets it,
and I don't like it any better than
you men.
IvanOffelitch
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It's because they don't get it bro...the impact "just words" can have. The vulgar has become the norm. Everything is "relative" these days, there seems to be no right or wrong--therefore, if there is no wrong, then why should there be consequences or punishment for one's actions? (rhetorical question)digger said:
Anyone who thinks words are harmless should read up on some history. Look at what Hitler accomplished with "mere words."
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musclemuscle
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digger said:
Digger...
I appreciate your concern for me. It is great that u do care about the peoples opinions on this board. What ulcasterdropout said did in fact upset me. That is why I spent half an hour trying to rally together some others to bomb him.
Personally, I would never want to be banned. I am glad he has gotten his little "time out". It would not bother me if he came back. It would bother me however if he came back and decided he would use his time back at EF to try to bring me down. If you would like to bring him back that is fine...I would like to see him get a second chance...however if he used his time back to harrass me and bring me down then I would appreciate him being snuffed out permanently.
Thanks again Digger.
im not saying you cant take offensive to certain things, but im saying deal with it.IvanOffelitch said:
i already addressed that im not speaking from a blind perspective when im saying for people to learn how to ignore things they dont like. if you go back and read my previous posts, i explained how im offended by some of the things i see here, but i am not selfish enough to believe that because something offends me doesnt mean it offends everyone else, or even if it does, that it should be censored and i should be shielded from it.
the whole point of C&C is because you can have real life interactions and conversations, its just the tools of communication are different... (written as opposed to spoken).
i guess i cant fathom how some people can be so insecure and unsure with themselves that one person's comment somewhere can have an effect on them enough to think they should be deleted from life (yes, i consider banning, as the death penalty, killing off a member of elite.)
some kids go crazy when a group of kids surround them and insult them and taunt them. it has a huge impact on them. exotic girl came, everyone surrounded her and hazed her. look at needtogetas....this guy has problems spelling for a damn good reason (im not going to go into it because its his business), yet everyone thinks its funny to SURROUND HIM and make fun of him without thinking of the IMPACT of words. he has noone getting his back, just the entire forum harrasing him, yet noone gets banned?
ulcaster says something with his words, and everyone bashes him and supports the person (mm) he said it to. i highly doubt his comment is going to have an impact on MM's life...he deals with it and life goes on,
weigh this.
-needto and exotic girl- EVERYONE bashing them, no moral support, that an example of words fucking with the mind
-musclemuscle- one person says something to him and everyone gets his back and carries him through it- thats not going to harm him AT ALL.
if we are trying to protect people's feelings and be good and moral, we should ban EVERYONE that makes fun of needto, and exotic girl(since that has a mental impact), not the one person who says a comment that is not supported by anyone (this is an example where words have no impact).
and ivan, i understand your love for dogs, but shame on you...i thought you were a better bro than this.
i understand my posts are long, but anyone who is not willing to read them, is not mature enough to even participate in this discussion or arguement.
as far as i am concerned, if you want to participate and give your opinion, then read and address everyone else's opinion, even if it is lengthy.
as far as i am concerned, if you want to participate and give your opinion, then read and address everyone else's opinion, even if it is lengthy.
in this case.musclemuscle said:Digger...
I appreciate your concern for me. It is great that u do care about the peoples opinions on this board. What ulcasterdropout said did in fact upset me. That is why I spent half an hour trying to rally together some others to bomb him.
Personally, I would never want to be banned. I am glad he has gotten his little "time out". It would not bother me if he came back. It would bother me however if he came back and decided he would use his time back at EF to try to bring me down. If you would like to bring him back that is fine...I would like to see him get a second chance...however if he used his time back to harrass me and bring me down then I would appreciate him being snuffed out permanently.
Thanks again Digger.
i would appreciate if you snuff out curling or the next person to say anything derogatory, or insulting, steriotypical, or even "mean" about my ethnic or religious background.
thanks again digger.
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musclemuscle
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SublimeZM said:in this case.
i would appreciate if you snuff out curling or the next person to say anything derogatory, or insulting, steriotypical, or even "mean" about my ethnic or religious background.
thanks again digger.
He wasn't sharing his opinion...he was threatening to take my dogs life
He also said "i hate that sick fuck" in a thread about me
It wasn't a matter of opinion it was a matter of being just plain hatefull.
there is some relentless bullying going on here sometimes. but what is the solution?? it's an individual attitude that can only be dealt with individually. can there be rules that discourage or punish harassment? if there are, i haven't seen them enforced often.SublimeZM said:
what im saying is nobody should be banned, and i am for a completely relaxed attitude and very minimal moderating.HumanTarget said:
i just mentioned those instances because ivan was talking about the impact of words. i am trying to say that ulcaster's comment doesnt have a real mental impact, but the joining of many EFers to make fun of needto or exoticgirl DOES have a mental impact, and this is infact viewed through kids being bullied and then going on school shootings
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musclemuscle
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SublimeZM said:
lol
fell free to hate brother
lol
I don't hate you
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musclemuscle
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And if u read what i said you would see i said
I DON'T LIKE TO SEE ANYONE BANNED
I DON'T LIKE TO SEE ANYONE BANNED
the following is a video showing snipers killing HUMAN BEINGS.mightymouse69 said:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406191&highlight=gun
here are some responses to it:
IvanOffelitch said:Fuggin' BOOM
-now i find this very funny, because it is badass to actually snipe goats, (even though it is probably people) but ulcaster cant say he wants to strangle someones dog.
anybody else notice how sickly hypocritcal and twofaced this whole issue is?
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musclemuscle
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musclemuscle said:
^^^
rofl, yeah some of the shit people say is crazy.HumanTarget said:
some of the stuff iv heard people say in real life is even worse.
i had a teacher tell a student right in front of me who was about to go on vacationt that "if someone with a turban gets on the airplane, get off immediately". you know what happened to that teacher? nothing.
i told my guidance counselor, but i was only in 7th grade. after calling her out on that, my reward for speaking up for whats right got me a private meeting with just me and the teacher where i got to sit there for 15 minutes and be told why "spreading rumors is bad" and basically what a liar i was.
hamstershaver
New member
lol at sub equating taliban scum to human beings
i say chill out and learn to deal with life, or get off these forums, or put alot of people on your own personal ignore list.HumanTarget said:
there doesnt need to be a solution. all that needs to happen is equality. ulcaster being unbanned, or everyone who says a negative thing being banned would be equal.
and increased moderation is terrible, im in the process of getting banned from a different forum, because i made a sexual pun....at that forum if you post a duplicate topic it gets merged and you get a warning, if you dont post in the exact catagory forum, it gets deleted. there area bout 30 active members on that board and its a bunch of uninteresting zombies.
increased moderation is not what is needed, only equality, and that is all i am fighting for. i have laughed at some immature things, and i was on the badwagon making fun of exotic girl and even needtogetas. i feel that those two had far more trauma (if anyone should be having mental trauma at all) than musclemuscle would from ulcaster's comment. im still here....where the hell is UC?
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408237&highlight=mexicanhamstershaver said:
what are the people who participated in that thread still doing here?
or are mexicans not human beings either?
hamstershaver
New member
stop being a fucking dumbass sub, the taliban are scum we went to war against them, they killed american soldiers, do you expect americans to feel bad for them when they get whacked?
Mavafanculo
New member
you misspelled "beaners"SublimeZM said:
dont call me a dumbass please. it hurts my feelings and tempts me to tell you exactly what i think of you. id appreciate it if you either talk about the issue, or create a new thread that we can discuss this in.hamstershaver said:
i will leave you with this however: im not going to hear opinions on right and wrong from someone who makes threads about "backdooring their fatass girlfriends". i personally feel that girlfriends should be cared for and complimented, not made fun of for a cheap laugh.
hamstershaver
New member
how about you just fuck off sub?
heres an example of muscle muscle talking about "taking ulcaster's life" long before the dog incident happened.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5042976&postcount=9
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5042976&postcount=9
how about you stop crying over the fact that i used that video as an example?hamstershaver said:
if you hate taliban scum so much, join the army and fight em, pussy.
EDIT: this is the last post where ill adress you in this thread, you wanna talk about it PM me or make a new thread...this one is about ulcaster and forum double standards. thanks
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musclemuscle
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Every one knows the spirit behind the life takers club
its said in good humor
not to be hatefull
its said in good humor
not to be hatefull
hamstershaver
New member
im too old to join the army you little cawk smoker
DieselGunz
New member
HumanTarget said:
Dont talk 2 soon
Give me time
To realise my crime
Let me love and steal
I have danced inside your eyes
How can I be real
Do you really want to hurt me
Do you really want to make me cry
Precious kisses
Words that burn me
Lovers never ask you why
In my heart the fire’s burning
Choose my colour
Find a star
Precious people always tell me
That’s a step
A step too far
Chorus:
Do you really want to hurt me
Do you really want to make me cry
Do you really want to hurt me
Do you really want to make me cry
Words are few
I have spoken
I could waste a thousand years
Wrapped in sorrow words are token
Come inside and catch my tears
You’ve been talking but believe me
If it’s true you do not know
This boy loves without a reason
I’m prepared to let you go
If it’s love you want from me
Then take it away
Everything is not what you see
It’s over today
To realise my crime
Let me love and steal
I have danced inside your eyes
How can I be real
Do you really want to hurt me
Do you really want to make me cry
Precious kisses
Words that burn me
Lovers never ask you why
In my heart the fire’s burning
Choose my colour
Find a star
Precious people always tell me
That’s a step
A step too far
Chorus:
Do you really want to hurt me
Do you really want to make me cry
Do you really want to hurt me
Do you really want to make me cry
Words are few
I have spoken
I could waste a thousand years
Wrapped in sorrow words are token
Come inside and catch my tears
You’ve been talking but believe me
If it’s true you do not know
This boy loves without a reason
I’m prepared to let you go
If it’s love you want from me
Then take it away
Everything is not what you see
It’s over today
IvanOffelitch
Well-known member
SublimeZM said:
See, that's where you and I differ. Common decency apparently means a helluvalot more to me than it does to you.
That saddens me deeply. Seriously.
A better bro than what?!? Having a sense of decency is a bad thing now???SublimeZM said:
Nevermind...I posted a thread a long time ago about this kind of mindset, there's no need to cover that ground again.
Y'all just go on about your business. I'm just gonna sit here and watch the inevitable unfurl.
Ok so Ulcaster did get out of line, he was being a total dick to people, the dog comment was rude.
But... we have stupid people, smart people, rich people, poor people, cool people, nerdy people, fat people, fit people, nice people... and yes, rude people.
I'm not saying we let ulcaster bring the place down, but I'd say he's got a place here, he's part of what makes this an eclectic community.
I see digger's reasons for the band, but if it is an absolute thing I'd say we all lose something because of it.
But... we have stupid people, smart people, rich people, poor people, cool people, nerdy people, fat people, fit people, nice people... and yes, rude people.
I'm not saying we let ulcaster bring the place down, but I'd say he's got a place here, he's part of what makes this an eclectic community.
I see digger's reasons for the band, but if it is an absolute thing I'd say we all lose something because of it.
Sorry, man, but we've run into too many people who want Hustler instead of Maxim to be down with that. There are enough of them to squick the majority, but not enough to BE the majority. That's the short answer; sorry. For the most part (not always, but close enough) it turns out that my taste just happens to match up with the owner's. Not always, but more often than not, and he says "Maxim."SublimeZM said:
If we have a mod who isn't behind that, Elite Mentor status is just a PM away.
Whoa. Difference of opinion here. Think about it for a second. "Raping somebody's kids" grossed you right out, as it should. But a lot more people could work themselves up to the point of killing a dog. That makes the threat more believable. Maybe that's not the right word -- but it is far too realistic, far too easy to visualize. That is real nightmare material, it gets inside your head, which is why they put the bunny scene in "Fatal Attraction." (After that scene, you knew Glenn Close had to die, didn't you?)
The people you mentioned, the ones who are being hazed -- they aren't making horror threads about seducing someone and then stabbing them in their sleep, or deliberately giving them AIDS. Or strangling their dogs. They're expressing their hurt, sure. But they're keeping it under control.
I've had a difference of opinion with a couple of the mods over one of the people you mentioned -- nothing that needs to be covered here. The truth is going to come out eventually, and then either they or I will get to say "Told you so!" No harm done in the meantime.
There's drama, and there's terrorism. Where's the line? Picking on someone's pets, that's too much like picking on their kids. That's over the line for me.
I think Ivan nailed it. Don't know if that's his true opinion or he's just trying to get inside my head, but if it's the latter he's done a good job.
And yes, I am reading the whole thread. It's not my style to ask for your input and not read it.
naw i shouldn thave said that, i was just getting fired up while replying to all this stuff, your a good bro, i just didnt think u would be the type to try and get someone banned and let your own feelings toward dogs influence your opinion on what ulcaster said and how it was delt with (in terms of general fairness and equality for all)IvanOffelitch said:See, that's where you and I differ. Common decency apparently means a helluvalot more to me than it does to you.
That saddens me deeply. Seriously.
A better bro than what?!? Having a sense of decency is a bad thing now???
Nevermind...I posted a thread a long time ago about this kind of mindset, there's no need to cover that ground again.
Y'all just go on about your business. I'm just gonna sit here and watch the inevitable unfurl.
what im trying to say with the whole people getting hazed was just saying that those can have more of an impact on someone mentally. i think that needto's spelling is a real issue, and does hit close to home for him. just like saying your raping someone's kids, insulting his spelling is just as real (i understand they are on different levels).digger said:
and im not arguing on things being right or wrong, im just saying that everyone is going to have different opinions on the severity of issues, and through my examples of the racism on these boards, and the actual posting and supporting of videos depicting people getting killed, i was trying to show taht a wide variety of controversial things are allowed here, and that it seems like people are picking and chosing...
but when it comes down to it your statement about maxim vs hustler stands, and thats what it comes down too, and i respect that. its not my site to judge what crosses lines and what doesnt
this is a good point.HumanTarget said:
musclemuscle said he would take ulcaster's life, and then posted a chainsaw of a smiley cutting up a smiley.
he says this is all goodnatured fun, but it is decided that ulcaster's talking about killing a dog, isnt goodnatured fun.
it seems all too mixed up to me, and intent is impossible to read. i think when it comes down to it, it should also be weighed as to who it was said to.
i still have a hard time believing that by the nature and character of musclemuscle's pervious posts in his time here, that he would have truely thought twice about ulcaster's post....it seems like hes just going along with it now for the attention...reminds me of those parents who poison their kids so their friends will visit em
i could also see how ivan would be more upset about a comment toward the dogs, because he recently had his pass away.
ulcaster didnt make a post in that thread saying "good, i wish i could have been the one to kill him". thats fucked up an insensative, cause the guys dog just died.
but msuclemuscle who had been getting in spats with ulcaster previously posts a picture of his dog, and ulcaster says hed strangle it....but c'mon, thats just like saying "i fucked your mom last night" to someone (and that has been posted on these forums many times). did the person actually sleep with the person's mom? is ulcaster really gunna kill the dog? no!- theres not even a chance of it possibly happening.
iv also been told to go play in traffic before...that actually could be real. i could take that advice and do it and die from it, but nobody is gunna get banned for that...
but the raping the kids comparison is a good one, and makes it a bit harder to decide the acceptableness of ulcaster's comment.
but in this particular situation, and the type of people both ulcaster and muscle muscle are, and the nature of the things MM had previously said to ulcaster, in this particular situation i dont think UC crossed the line.
like i said, if he had said it to ivan, or one of the innocents who never get into drama, i would probably be flaming ulcaster and be greatful for his ban
ulcaster didnt make a post in that thread saying "good, i wish i could have been the one to kill him". thats fucked up an insensative, cause the guys dog just died.
but msuclemuscle who had been getting in spats with ulcaster previously posts a picture of his dog, and ulcaster says hed strangle it....but c'mon, thats just like saying "i fucked your mom last night" to someone (and that has been posted on these forums many times). did the person actually sleep with the person's mom? is ulcaster really gunna kill the dog? no!- theres not even a chance of it possibly happening.
iv also been told to go play in traffic before...that actually could be real. i could take that advice and do it and die from it, but nobody is gunna get banned for that...
but the raping the kids comparison is a good one, and makes it a bit harder to decide the acceptableness of ulcaster's comment.
but in this particular situation, and the type of people both ulcaster and muscle muscle are, and the nature of the things MM had previously said to ulcaster, in this particular situation i dont think UC crossed the line.
like i said, if he had said it to ivan, or one of the innocents who never get into drama, i would probably be flaming ulcaster and be greatful for his ban
lol that reminds me of the signfield episode.HumanTarget said:
where the guy is like "george, the ocean just called and they are running out of shrimp"
george wanted to say "the jerkstore just called and they are running out of you"
kramer told him to say "i slept with your wife" and everyone thought that was way out of line, but kramer stuck by it.
when george goes to see the guy again, he responds to his insult with his comeback, to which the guy answers "yeah, but your their alltime best seller".
george then uses kramer's idea, and it turned out the guy's wife was in the hospital with cancer or something
Thanks for keeping it thoughtful, Z. I hashed out all the arguments about censorship on Usenet, ten or twelve years ago. Yes, the cure for hate speech is tolerance, the cure for hate speech is for good people to speak up... but the worst form of censorship is the one that lets the hate speech flood the channel until there is no room for good people to post.
HT, this stuff does not happen in a vacuum and I don't just grab one post and say "BAM! Ban that guy!" I'm on here reading at all hours day and night. I've been wondering for weeks, maybe months, why the heck UC felt the need to drop a two-line downer into other people's threads like a turd in the pool, again and again. This was a tipping point incident, long time coming.
HT, this stuff does not happen in a vacuum and I don't just grab one post and say "BAM! Ban that guy!" I'm on here reading at all hours day and night. I've been wondering for weeks, maybe months, why the heck UC felt the need to drop a two-line downer into other people's threads like a turd in the pool, again and again. This was a tipping point incident, long time coming.
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right now, somewhere in China, 10 year olds are working on quadratic equations.
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now lets all be friends and kiss and make up
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HumanTarget said:
u a cigar smoker
Have you read the Tipping Point and Blink? both interesting books.digger said:
I think ulcaster did and said what he did for attention, and there are many of us attention whores here.. if what he was doing was taking away from the experience for others, it needs to be addressed, but he's not ALL bad, just went on a bad streak (not that it hasn't happened before).
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HumanTarget said:
lol
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