ulcasterkickedout

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so where are we now?? we've established that certain things should not be said and won't be tolerated. but what about intent?? how do you gauge someones intent when it's all text? i'm thinking too damn much........

 

[Sub-Zero]

Sorry, man, but we've run into too many people who want Hustler instead of Maxim to be down with that. There are enough of them to squick the majority, but not enough to BE the majority. That's the short answer; sorry. For the most part (not always, but close enough) it turns out that my taste just happens to match up with the owner's. Not always, but more often than not, and he says "Maxim."

If we have a mod who isn't behind that, Elite Mentor status is just a PM away.


Whoa. Difference of opinion here. Think about it for a second. "Raping somebody's kids" grossed you right out, as it should. But a lot more people could work themselves up to the point of killing a dog. That makes the threat more believable. Maybe that's not the right word -- but it is far too realistic, far too easy to visualize. That is real nightmare material, it gets inside your head, which is why they put the bunny scene in "Fatal Attraction." (After that scene, you knew Glenn Close had to die, didn't you?)

The people you mentioned, the ones who are being hazed -- they aren't making horror threads about seducing someone and then stabbing them in their sleep, or deliberately giving them AIDS. Or strangling their dogs. They're expressing their hurt, sure. But they're keeping it under control.

I've had a difference of opinion with a couple of the mods over one of the people you mentioned -- nothing that needs to be covered here. The truth is going to come out eventually, and then either they or I will get to say "Told you so!" No harm done in the meantime.

There's drama, and there's terrorism. Where's the line? Picking on someone's pets, that's too much like picking on their kids. That's over the line for me.

I think Ivan nailed it. Don't know if that's his true opinion or he's just trying to get inside my head, but if it's the latter he's done a good job.

And yes, I am reading the whole thread. It's not my style to ask for your input and not read it.

what im trying to say with the whole people getting hazed was just saying that those can have more of an impact on someone mentally. i think that needto's spelling is a real issue, and does hit close to home for him. just like saying your raping someone's kids, insulting his spelling is just as real (i understand they are on different levels).

and im not arguing on things being right or wrong, im just saying that everyone is going to have different opinions on the severity of issues, and through my examples of the racism on these boards, and the actual posting and supporting of videos depicting people getting killed, i was trying to show taht a wide variety of controversial things are allowed here, and that it seems like people are picking and chosing...

but when it comes down to it your statement about maxim vs hustler stands, and thats what it comes down too, and i respect that. its not my site to judge what crosses lines and what doesnt

 

[Sub-Zero]

so where are we now?? we've established that certain things should not be said and won't be tolerated. but what about intent?? how do you gauge someones intent when it's all text? i'm thinking too damn much........

this is a good point.

musclemuscle said he would take ulcaster's life, and then posted a chainsaw of a smiley cutting up a smiley.

he says this is all goodnatured fun, but it is decided that ulcaster's talking about killing a dog, isnt goodnatured fun.

it seems all too mixed up to me, and intent is impossible to read. i think when it comes down to it, it should also be weighed as to who it was said to.

i still have a hard time believing that by the nature and character of musclemuscle's pervious posts in his time here, that he would have truely thought twice about ulcaster's post....it seems like hes just going along with it now for the attention...reminds me of those parents who poison their kids so their friends will visit em

 

[H_T_]

i think UD's only intent was to insult or retaliate. there seems to be a lot of one-up-manship, to "own" someone worse than they "owned" you. red k, bombs, g-bombs, banning.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i could also see how ivan would be more upset about a comment toward the dogs, because he recently had his pass away.

ulcaster didnt make a post in that thread saying "good, i wish i could have been the one to kill him". thats fucked up an insensative, cause the guys dog just died.

but msuclemuscle who had been getting in spats with ulcaster previously posts a picture of his dog, and ulcaster says hed strangle it....but c'mon, thats just like saying "i fucked your mom last night" to someone (and that has been posted on these forums many times). did the person actually sleep with the person's mom? is ulcaster really gunna kill the dog? no!- theres not even a chance of it possibly happening.

iv also been told to go play in traffic before...that actually could be real. i could take that advice and do it and die from it, but nobody is gunna get banned for that...

but the raping the kids comparison is a good one, and makes it a bit harder to decide the acceptableness of ulcaster's comment.

but in this particular situation, and the type of people both ulcaster and muscle muscle are, and the nature of the things MM had previously said to ulcaster, in this particular situation i dont think UC crossed the line.

like i said, if he had said it to ivan, or one of the innocents who never get into drama, i would probably be flaming ulcaster and be greatful for his ban

 

[Sub-Zero]

i think UD's only intent was to insult or retaliate. there seems to be a lot of one-up-manship, to "own" someone worse than they "owned" you. red k, bombs, g-bombs, banning.

lol that reminds me of the signfield episode.

where the guy is like "george, the ocean just called and they are running out of shrimp"

george wanted to say "the jerkstore just called and they are running out of you"

kramer told him to say "i slept with your wife" and everyone thought that was way out of line, but kramer stuck by it.

when george goes to see the guy again, he responds to his insult with his comeback, to which the guy answers "yeah, but your their alltime best seller".

george then uses kramer's idea, and it turned out the guy's wife was in the hospital with cancer or something

 

[digger]

Thanks for keeping it thoughtful, Z. I hashed out all the arguments about censorship on Usenet, ten or twelve years ago. Yes, the cure for hate speech is tolerance, the cure for hate speech is for good people to speak up... but the worst form of censorship is the one that lets the hate speech flood the channel until there is no room for good people to post.

HT, this stuff does not happen in a vacuum and I don't just grab one post and say "BAM! Ban that guy!" I'm on here reading at all hours day and night. I've been wondering for weeks, maybe months, why the heck UC felt the need to drop a two-line downer into other people's threads like a turd in the pool, again and again. This was a tipping point incident, long time coming.

 

[Mavafanculo]

right now, somewhere in China, 10 year olds are working on quadratic equations.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Thanks for keeping it thoughtful, Z. I hashed out all the arguments about censorship on Usenet, ten or twelve years ago. Yes, the cure for hate speech is tolerance, the cure for hate speech is for good people to speak up... but the worst form of censorship is the one that lets the hate speech flood the channel until there is no room for good people to post.

HT, this stuff does not happen in a vacuum and I don't just grab one post and say "BAM! Ban that guy!" I'm on here reading at all hours day and night. I've been wondering for weeks, maybe months, why the heck UC felt the need to drop a two-line downer into other people's threads like a turd in the pool, again and again. This was a tipping point incident, long time coming.

well, whatever happens, i really appreciate you taking the time to read my arguements and consider and respond to them, as opposed to just deleting this thread and dismissing it.

 

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right now, somewhere in China, 10 year olds are working on quadratic equations.

they'd rather be honing their tetherball skills.