i'm wondering if there will be some backlash over the length of this thread.SublimeZM said:i wonder if the mods care that the majority of us want him back
i'm wondering if there will be some backlash over the length of this thread.SublimeZM said:i wonder if the mods care that the majority of us want him back
HumanTarget said:i'm wondering if there will be some backlash over the length of this thread.

You're not trying to convince a mod. Any mod. You're trying to convince me.SublimeZM said:i wonder if the mods care that the majority of us want him back
So is it really just a time out? Or an all out toss out?digger said:You're not trying to convince a mod. Any mod. You're trying to convince me.
The bit about "he didn't create alters until he was banned". What is the point of tossing someone out if he's going to turn around and walk right back in like nothing happened? What kind of "timeout" is that?
If it were a timeout -- and I'm not saying it was -- he's started it over three times already.superqt4u2nv said:So is it really just a time out? Or an all out toss out?
digger said:If it were a timeout -- and I'm not saying it was -- he's started it over three times already.
When someone gets a timeout, THEY do not decide when it's over. Real simple.
Let's focus. (HumanTarget, talkin' to you now.) You got something to say in the guy's defense, this is where it goes. Put it up. I don't see how letting him dump on other people here is doing him a favor.
HumanTarget said:He's also been the butt end of long running, embarrasing threads about him.
its not a good timeout, that was stupid on his part. but im just saying perkele said the original reason he was banned is cause he creates alters, and im just trying to point out that the only reason he created the alters was because he was banned... im not trying to tell the mods what happened, since they obviously know more about it than i do, im just trying to inform the other members who would cast judgements, because of the whole alter scares that are going around.digger said:You're not trying to convince a mod. Any mod. You're trying to convince me.
The bit about "he didn't create alters until he was banned". What is the point of tossing someone out if he's going to turn around and walk right back in like nothing happened? What kind of "timeout" is that?
just so you know, hes a good guy, and he thought he was being funny when th esaid the strangle thing. i actually did find it funny.(maybe just cuase i knew he was joking)musclemuscle said:THE GUY WAS A DICK...I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD BAN HIM
IF THIS IS ALL HE HAS THEN MAYBE THIS BAN OR TIMEOUT OR WHATEVER IT IS WILL DO HIM GOOD
MAYBE HE WILL DO SOMETHING WITH HIMSELF AND KICK HIMSELF IN THE ASS AND MAKE SOMETHING OF HIMSELF......MAYBE HIS HEART WILL CHANGE, DOUBTFULL....BUT IT COULD HAPPEN
AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL....SRYY I TYPED THIS ALL IN CAPS....
i think a constant harrasment IS a problem.digger said:MM, if you tell me he didn't get to you, I'm willing to take that into consideration; but it's not just about him dissing you.
I am royally pissed off at the people saying "it's just words" or "you're a pussy if you let words get to you." Hey! Over here, guys. If words don't matter to you, why are you here? This place is all about words. Words are how you put an idea in someone's head, and the idea that Ulcaster tried to put in MM's head was evil.
"Hey, Musclemuscle has an ugly little dog. He cares about it. I can use that to hurt him."
What kind of sick fuck uses the things you care about against you? You think UC should come back, I need a good answer to that question.
meh, there was a bit more harshness to it than would be normally acceptable, but, in my opinion i dont see how it can be any worse than "having sex with your mom" jokes. and muscle muscle started confrontation with him, and ulcaster was just trying to have fun with it, even though his sense of humor is a bit twisted (but then again so is mine.)digger said:Okay... go look at Musclemuscle's "my dog Arnold" thread, and tell me if that's good clean fun. I'll wait right here.
about the dog, and recieved a "LOL" and no negative comments to it. thats a double standard right there.He's high in protein
SublimeZM said:meh, there was a bit more harshness to it than would be normally acceptable, but, in my opinion i dont see how it can be any worse than "having sex with your mom" jokes. and muscle muscle started confrontation with him, and ulcaster was just trying to have fun with it, even though his sense of humor is a bit twisted (but then again so is mine.)
i dont see ulcaster going up to innocent people who never get invovled in drama like sassy, or bunny from girlchat, and saying horrible things to them...he only does it to people he feels might see some fun in it.
also i find it pretty shady, how EVERYONE jumps on ulcaster for his comment,
when swole said about the dog, and recieved a "LOL" and no negative comments to it. thats a double standard right there.
and as for ulcaster's harsh response to MM calling him out about his strangle comment, i intrpret that as more of a "you can mess with me, but i cant mess with you back? well fuck you."

HumanTarget said:This has happened a few times in the past. The suspensions, timeouts, what have you. The people who recieve them typically adjust and move on. UD has had a couple and was walking that chalk line but he'd stumble occasionally. He's also been the butt end of long running, embarrasing threads about him. Which, he's handled pretty well. I think a lot of the time he gets pushed, by the same type of words he has used, and lashes out. He's only in his mid 20's, which is still way young nowadays, so hopefully the coming maturity will also bring some restraint.
including by me. people make mistakes, and cross lines, and it isnt always on purpose...Mr. dB said:Not to mention being the recipient of a lot of unsolicited advice...
musclemuscle said:granted the dude threatened to choke my dog to death
woah...talking about raping someones kids is in my opinion WAYYY to out there, but i dont think strangling a dog can compare.digger said:I'm not real happy with "recreational bombings" -- and before Lestat jumps in here with yet another comment about it being harmless teasing, save it, nugga. I got an unopened box full of that. You want to know who the bombs have driven off the site, we're talking about him right here.
Got a relative newbie Plat, riding people for debateable reasons, and he runs into someone who doesn't handle it well. He figures he paid for the privilege, and at some level that is what the Plat membership is all about: pony up some bucks, get an unfair advantage.
But the other guy is still making really disturbing word-pictures. Going nuclear.
We had a guy here who started threads about raping another guy's kids; remember that? I took him out back with the shotgun and a shovel. Couple of people said "It's just an Internet board, it's just a joke." Not many, not very loud, not at all convincing.
Honestly, I really am befuddled at the way you guys are jumping to his defense. Where is this coming from?
not to mention some of the graphic K messges i get...PICK3 said:damm ... you get banned for that?
I threatened to choke my chicken before.
It's because they don't get it bro...the impact "just words" can have. The vulgar has become the norm. Everything is "relative" these days, there seems to be no right or wrong--therefore, if there is no wrong, then why should there be consequences or punishment for one's actions? (rhetorical question)digger said:...I am royally pissed off at the people saying "it's just words" or "you're a pussy if you let words get to you." Hey! Over here, guys. If words don't matter to you, why are you here? This place is all about words. Words are how you put an idea in someone's head, and the idea that Ulcaster tried to put in MM's head was evil.
digger said:MM, if you tell me he didn't get to you, I'm willing to take that into consideration; but it's not just about him dissing you.
I am royally pissed off at the people saying "it's just words" or "you're a pussy if you let words get to you." Hey! Over here, guys. If words don't matter to you, why are you here? This place is all about words. Words are how you put an idea in someone's head, and the idea that Ulcaster tried to put in MM's head was evil.
"Hey, Musclemuscle has an ugly little dog. He cares about it. I can use that to hurt him."
What kind of sick fuck uses the things you care about against you? You think UC should come back, I need a good answer to that question.
HumanTarget said:now, it seems that a prescedence has been set. a lot of people weren't aware apparently that something of this nature could result in being banned from the site. i'm wondering where this might lead.
im not saying you cant take offensive to certain things, but im saying deal with it.IvanOffelitch said:It's because they don't get it bro...the impact "just words" can have. The vulgar has become the norm. Everything is "relative" these days, there seems to be no right or wrong--therefore, if there is no wrong, then why should there be consequences or punishment for one's actions? (rhetorical question)
Anyone who thinks words are harmless should read up on some history. Look at what Hitler accomplished with "mere words."
in no way, bro, do i or did i say that what UD said was ok. i agree with you 100% about people being more decent to one another here. but how is that done?? the mods can't watch every single post.mightymouse69 said:civility? make posts about beating animals is senseless and should be considered out of bounds, hows that for a start.
in this case.musclemuscle said:Digger...
I appreciate your concern for me. It is great that u do care about the peoples opinions on this board. What ulcasterdropout said did in fact upset me. That is why I spent half an hour trying to rally together some others to bomb him.
Personally, I would never want to be banned. I am glad he has gotten his little "time out". It would not bother me if he came back. It would bother me however if he came back and decided he would use his time back at EF to try to bring me down. If you would like to bring him back that is fine...I would like to see him get a second chance...however if he used his time back to harrass me and bring me down then I would appreciate him being snuffed out permanently.
Thanks again Digger.![]()
SublimeZM said:in this case.
i would appreciate if you snuff out curling or the next person to say anything derogatory, or insulting, steriotypical, or even "mean" about my ethnic or religious background.
thanks again digger.![]()
HumanTarget said:in no way, bro, do i or did i say that what UD said was ok. i agree with you 100% about people being more decent to one another here. but how is that done?? the mods can't watch every single post.
there is some relentless bullying going on here sometimes. but what is the solution?? it's an individual attitude that can only be dealt with individually. can there be rules that discourage or punish harassment? if there are, i haven't seen them enforced often.SublimeZM said:i understand my posts are long, but anyone who is not willing to read them, is not mature enough to even participate in this discussion or arguement.
as far as i am concerned, if you want to participate and give your opinion, then read and address everyone else's opinion, even if it is lengthy.
what im saying is nobody should be banned, and i am for a completely relaxed attitude and very minimal moderating.HumanTarget said:there is some relentless bullying going on here sometimes. but what is the solution?? it's an individual attitude that can only be dealt with individually. can there be rules that discourage or punish harassment? if there are, i haven't seen them enforced often.
but being non-plat and getting grippy with a plat will get you blacked out. 4th of july is a good reference point.mightymouse69 said:agreed, thats why society (and EF as our society) develops "unwritten" morals which keep us in check. I also don't want him banned, btw.
after seeing what a twofaced pussy you are, i hate you too.musclemuscle said:He wasn't sharing his opinion...he was threatening to take my dogs life
He also said "i hate that sick fuck" in a thread about me
It wasn't a matter of opinion it was a matter of being just plain hatefull.
SublimeZM said:after seeing what a twofaced pussy you are, i hate you too.
you want me banned?
true. have you ever gamed online?? i've had people wish death and cancer on my parents in some of those forums.SublimeZM said:what im saying is nobody should be banned, and i am for a completely relaxed attitude and very minimal moderating.
i just mentioned those instances because ivan was talking about the impact of words. i am trying to say that ulcaster's comment doesnt have a real mental impact, but the joining of many EFers to make fun of needto or exoticgirl DOES have a mental impact, and this is infact viewed through kids being bullied and then going on school shootings
the following is a video showing snipers killing HUMAN BEINGS.mightymouse69 said:civility? make posts about beating animals is senseless and should be considered out of bounds, hows that for a start.
that was wicked
IvanOffelitch said:Fuggin' BOOM![]()
Pretty sure I wanna go bear hunting after seeing this video.
serious pwnage there
-now i find this very funny, because it is badass to actually snipe goats, (even though it is probably people) but ulcaster cant say he wants to strangle someones dog.they arent shooting people in that clip right?..i noticed the caption say they are taking out taliban..but it looks like they were shooting mountain goats or something, especially in the first 2 shots..the last one may have been a person.
Badass.
good post!
Well that was pretty cool. I need to hit up the shooting range now
musclemuscle said:I really don't like to see anyone banned..
blackked out.....yes
bombed...........yes
banned............no
rofl, yeah some of the shit people say is crazy.HumanTarget said:true. have you ever gamed online?? i've had people wish death and cancer on my parents in some of those forums.
i say chill out and learn to deal with life, or get off these forums, or put alot of people on your own personal ignore list.HumanTarget said:yeah, but like i said, what's the solution?? it's headed towards censorship.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408237&highlight=mexicanhamstershaver said:lol at sub equating taliban scum to human beings
Jules: Check out the big brain on Brett!SublimeZM said:i say chill out and learn to deal with life, or get off these forums, or put alot of people on your own personal ignore list.
there doesnt need to be a solution. all that needs to happen is equality. ulcaster being unbanned, or everyone who says a negative thing being banned would be equal.
and increased moderation is terrible, im in the process of getting banned from a different forum, because i made a sexual pun....at that forum if you post a duplicate topic it gets merged and you get a warning, if you dont post in the exact catagory forum, it gets deleted. there area bout 30 active members on that board and its a bunch of uninteresting zombies.
increased moderation is not what is needed, only equality, and that is all i am fighting for. i have laughed at some immature things, and i was on the badwagon making fun of exotic girl and even needtogetas. i feel that those two had far more trauma (if anyone should be having mental trauma at all) than musclemuscle would from ulcaster's comment. im still here....where the hell is UC?
you misspelled "beaners"SublimeZM said:what are the people who participated in that thread still doing here?
or are mexicans not human beings either?
dont call me a dumbass please. it hurts my feelings and tempts me to tell you exactly what i think of you. id appreciate it if you either talk about the issue, or create a new thread that we can discuss this in.hamstershaver said:stop being a fucking dumbass sub, the taliban are scum we went to war against them, they killed american soldiers, do you expect americans to feel bad for them when they get whacked?
rofl...Mavafanculo said:you misspelled "beaners"
how about you stop crying over the fact that i used that video as an example?hamstershaver said:how about you just fuck off sub?
oh haha, i get it now.musclemuscle said:Every one knows the spirit behind the life takers club
its said in good humor
not to be hatefull
HumanTarget said:this is actually going quite well. typically, there would be a lot more anger going on. i'm glad things are being held together. (for now).
omg ban hammy hes calling me nameshamstershaver said:im too old to join the army you little cawk smoker
lol nah...HumanTarget said:this is starting to get ugly.
SublimeZM said:im not saying you cant take offensive to certain things, but im saying deal with it.
A better bro than what?!? Having a sense of decency is a bad thing now???SublimeZM said:and ivan, i understand your love for dogs, but shame on you...i thought you were a better bro than this.
nicely put.Lestat said:Ok so Ulcaster did get out of line, he was being a total dick to people, the dog comment was rude.
But... we have stupid people, smart people, rich people, poor people, cool people, nerdy people, fat people, fit people, nice people... and yes, rude people.
I'm not saying we let ulcaster bring the place down, but I'd say he's got a place here, he's part of what makes this an eclectic community.
I see digger's reasons for the band, but if it is an absolute thing I'd say we all lose something because of it.
Sorry, man, but we've run into too many people who want Hustler instead of Maxim to be down with that. There are enough of them to squick the majority, but not enough to BE the majority. That's the short answer; sorry. For the most part (not always, but close enough) it turns out that my taste just happens to match up with the owner's. Not always, but more often than not, and he says "Maxim."SublimeZM said:what im saying is nobody should be banned, and i am for a completely relaxed attitude and very minimal moderating.
Whoa. Difference of opinion here. Think about it for a second. "Raping somebody's kids" grossed you right out, as it should. But a lot more people could work themselves up to the point of killing a dog. That makes the threat more believable. Maybe that's not the right word -- but it is far too realistic, far too easy to visualize. That is real nightmare material, it gets inside your head, which is why they put the bunny scene in "Fatal Attraction." (After that scene, you knew Glenn Close had to die, didn't you?)i just mentioned those instances because ivan was talking about the impact of words. i am trying to say that ulcaster's comment doesnt have a real mental impact,
naw i shouldn thave said that, i was just getting fired up while replying to all this stuff, your a good bro, i just didnt think u would be the type to try and get someone banned and let your own feelings toward dogs influence your opinion on what ulcaster said and how it was delt with (in terms of general fairness and equality for all)IvanOffelitch said:See, that's where you and I differ. Common decency apparently means a helluvalot more to me than it does to you.
That saddens me deeply. Seriously.
A better bro than what?!? Having a sense of decency is a bad thing now???
Nevermind...I posted a thread a long time ago about this kind of mindset, there's no need to cover that ground again.
Y'all just go on about your business. I'm just gonna sit here and watch the inevitable unfurl.![]()
what im trying to say with the whole people getting hazed was just saying that those can have more of an impact on someone mentally. i think that needto's spelling is a real issue, and does hit close to home for him. just like saying your raping someone's kids, insulting his spelling is just as real (i understand they are on different levels).digger said:Sorry, man, but we've run into too many people who want Hustler instead of Maxim to be down with that. There are enough of them to squick the majority, but not enough to BE the majority. That's the short answer; sorry. For the most part (not always, but close enough) it turns out that my taste just happens to match up with the owner's. Not always, but more often than not, and he says "Maxim."
If we have a mod who isn't behind that, Elite Mentor status is just a PM away.
Whoa. Difference of opinion here. Think about it for a second. "Raping somebody's kids" grossed you right out, as it should. But a lot more people could work themselves up to the point of killing a dog. That makes the threat more believable. Maybe that's not the right word -- but it is far too realistic, far too easy to visualize. That is real nightmare material, it gets inside your head, which is why they put the bunny scene in "Fatal Attraction." (After that scene, you knew Glenn Close had to die, didn't you?)
The people you mentioned, the ones who are being hazed -- they aren't making horror threads about seducing someone and then stabbing them in their sleep, or deliberately giving them AIDS. Or strangling their dogs. They're expressing their hurt, sure. But they're keeping it under control.
I've had a difference of opinion with a couple of the mods over one of the people you mentioned -- nothing that needs to be covered here. The truth is going to come out eventually, and then either they or I will get to say "Told you so!" No harm done in the meantime.
There's drama, and there's terrorism. Where's the line? Picking on someone's pets, that's too much like picking on their kids. That's over the line for me.
I think Ivan nailed it. Don't know if that's his true opinion or he's just trying to get inside my head, but if it's the latter he's done a good job.
And yes, I am reading the whole thread. It's not my style to ask for your input and not read it.
this is a good point.HumanTarget said:so where are we now?? we've established that certain things should not be said and won't be tolerated. but what about intent?? how do you gauge someones intent when it's all text? i'm thinking too damn much........
lol that reminds me of the signfield episode.HumanTarget said:i think UD's only intent was to insult or retaliate. there seems to be a lot of one-up-manship, to "own" someone worse than they "owned" you. red k, bombs, g-bombs, banning.
well, whatever happens, i really appreciate you taking the time to read my arguements and consider and respond to them, as opposed to just deleting this thread and dismissing it.digger said:Thanks for keeping it thoughtful, Z. I hashed out all the arguments about censorship on Usenet, ten or twelve years ago. Yes, the cure for hate speech is tolerance, the cure for hate speech is for good people to speak up... but the worst form of censorship is the one that lets the hate speech flood the channel until there is no room for good people to post.
HT, this stuff does not happen in a vacuum and I don't just grab one post and say "BAM! Ban that guy!" I'm on here reading at all hours day and night. I've been wondering for weeks, maybe months, why the heck UC felt the need to drop a two-line downer into other people's threads like a turd in the pool, again and again. This was a tipping point incident, long time coming.
they'd rather be honing their tetherball skills.Mavafanculo said:right now, somewhere in China, 10 year olds are working on quadratic equations.
as long as you're not smoking one of those shit-sticks..........musclemuscle said:now lets all be friends and kiss and make up
HumanTarget said:as long as you're not smoking one of those shit-sticks..........
Have you read the Tipping Point and Blink? both interesting books.digger said:Thanks for keeping it thoughtful, Z. I hashed out all the arguments about censorship on Usenet, ten or twelve years ago. Yes, the cure for hate speech is tolerance, the cure for hate speech is for good people to speak up... but the worst form of censorship is the one that lets the hate speech flood the channel until there is no room for good people to post.
HT, this stuff does not happen in a vacuum and I don't just grab one post and say "BAM! Ban that guy!" I'm on here reading at all hours day and night. I've been wondering for weeks, maybe months, why the heck UC felt the need to drop a two-line downer into other people's threads like a turd in the pool, again and again. This was a tipping point incident, long time coming.
yeah, kinda, i used to get cubans occasionally when i was a doorman. i can't stand it when some wannabe lites up a $1.25 cigar in the bar, though.musclemuscle said:u a cigar smoker
HumanTarget said:yeah, kinda, i used to get cubans occasionally when i was a doorman. i can't stand it when some wannabe lites up a $1.25 cigar in the bar, though.
PICK3 said:damm ... you get banned for that?musclemuscle said:granted the dude threatened to choke my dog to death
I threatened to choke my chicken before.
he likes to smoke man-cigarsmusclemuscle said:lol
what are your favorites
ohhh, you little fucker.........yeah, well, if you were a shark, you'd be a "man-eater".SublimeZM said:he likes to smoke man-cigars![]()
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