UG versus human grade

[therugger]

I'm recovering form an injury right now so this is for the not so near future. I have ran many cycles, but have always went with UG labs. Have recently decided to start goin with human grade anytime [possible. What difference do you see in dosing? I've always heard most all UG is honestly underdosed. So for example anyone one noticed a major change in test dosing when switching?

 

[halfcenturian]

NO. I just know it's probably more accurate and cleaner. So UG's overdose.

 

[night train]

I'm recovering form an injury right now so this is for the not so near future. I have ran many cycles, but have always went with UG labs. Have recently decided to start goin with human grade anytime [possible. What difference do you see in dosing? I've always heard most all UG is honestly underdosed. So for example anyone one noticed a major change in test dosing when switching?

I wouls always hold off if I have to for Human Grade, I beleave to be more accurate and you are getting cleaner quality.

 

[terrapin]

HG gear is the way to go. It is accurately dosed, sterile AND BIOACTIVE!! UG labs do not perform any assay to ensure the compound in suspension is still active- this is a key difference between HG and UG. Not to say UG is crap- it obviously is not, but I believe most people use doses that are higher than necessary b/c UG is simply not as good as HG.

 

[Burpees]

pfft.. get it how you live it bro.. ug, vet, homemade, whatever if it's real and made right it will work.

 

[therugger]

pfft.. get it how you live it bro.. ug, vet, homemade, whatever if it's real and made right it will work.

Yeah I've had good experiences with UG in the past. Always used the same reputable one, and had great gains just tryin something else. Mostly because with amps I know exactly how much I have, seems the 10ml vials never make it as long as I expect them to!!!

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

POTENCY IS POTENCY!!!! think about it

DIY- Do it Yourself and you will know whats in your gear

thats the ultimate solution if youre worried about stuff

 

[terrapin]

pfft.. get it how you live it bro.. ug, vet, homemade, whatever if it's real and made right it will work.

I am not sure what the first half of this statement means, so I will comment on the second half. Yes, if there is some anabolic compound in your gear it will work to some degree. However, 250mg test E from UG lab X can not be compared to 250mg test E from organon. The Organon test E is not only dosed properly, but each batch is tested in cell based assays to ensure it produces the appropriate cellular response. To my knowledge, not a single UG lab has the ability to do this. Just because there is 250mg/ml of test E in solution does mean that it is active.

 

[eddymerckx]

nothing can beat human grade-period.

 

[therugger]

That is kinda what I'm wondering. If at the same dose due to better bio availability or what ever if it will seem like I'm running a higher dose. Just wondering in case I need to be ready to combat high level of sides.

 

[terrapin]

I don't know your cycle history, so I can't comment on what types of sides you may encounter. However, as eddymerckx said, you can't beat HG. Just start at a lower dose and step it up if you need to.

 

[Latamier]

Human grade is great but the thing you have to remember is that the a lot of the human grade gear is usually fake. The only way to be sure that it is not is if you have a valid script and get it filled at a U.S. pharmacy. I have a script for test and will definately say from my expierence that usually I cant tell a difference B/W the two. If I do notice a difference, the difference is that usually the UG gear will give me better results. just my opinion.

 

[justinbarth]

Human grade is great but the thing you have to remember is that the a lot of the human grade gear is usually fake. The only way to be sure that it is not is if you have a valid script and get it filled at a U.S. pharmacy. I have a script for test and will definately say from my expierence that usually I cant tell a difference B/W the two. If I do notice a difference, the difference is that usually the UG gear will give me better results. just my opinion.

wow....i am surprised to hear that, but do not doubt you...as i know many ug do over dose

BUT is it really better if its over dosed?


say you have 1cc if test e from ugl brand named X ( coming from a vial labeled as 250mgs of test e per ml)
and one iranian amp (labeled 250mgs test e)

obv if the ugl is overdosed and its really 325mgs of test e, then it is going to work better then 250 of the iranian. but that doest make it better....

 

[bbkingpin]

test deca dbol (maybe) anadrol halo primo winny injectable (zambon)-- those you can stick with human grade no problem ... but what it you want
var (hard to obtain BTG), tbol, npp (more than 25-50mg/ml), masteron/permastril, tren,
oral winny (more than 2mg/tab unless azolol 5mg Body research can be considered human grade), eq ... any I missed?

 

[swole]

test deca dbol (maybe) anadrol halo primo winny injectable (zambon)-- those you can stick with human grade no problem ... but what it you want
var (hard to obtain BTG), tbol, npp (more than 25-50mg/ml), masteron/permastril, tren,
oral winny (more than 2mg/tab unless azolol 5mg Body research can be considered human grade), eq ... any I missed?

i doubt you'll find human grade eq

 

[nzrodney]

Human grade is great but the thing you have to remember is that the a lot of the human grade gear is usually fake. The only way to be sure that it is not is if you have a valid script and get it filled at a U.S. pharmacy. I have a script for test and will definately say from my expierence that usually I cant tell a difference B/W the two. If I do notice a difference, the difference is that usually the UG gear will give me better results. just my opinion.

Yes if its HG its good to get it in the box with the drug brief paper inside.

 

[justinbarth]

i doubt you'll find human grade eq

you will not find human grade eq

but vet grade (which id take over ugl)


you want winny oral? drink zambons
you want hg var? bonavar2.5mg tabs


sust-deca-dbol-winny- all hg...what else do you need to get the perfect body LOL?

 

[goku_kakarot77]

more chances of infection with UG bro, and could be under/over dosed

 

[Big Rick Rock]

UG is a new phenomenon. When I got started in the game, there were NO UG out there... Actually, there were like 2 that people thought where HG since it was so professionally done. European stuff from legitimate chemist, just not licenses anywhere.

Back then the question was "Human Grade or Vet" ... Sometime guys would argue over Nile or Karachi being better...

Now its all about the UG stuff.

Crazy how times change.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

more chances of infection with UG bro, and could be under/over dosed

You have to be a real fucking idiot to make an oil based product that will give somebody an infection. Oil is pretty hard to fuck up. Water based on the other hand... I would NEVER touch a water based UG product.

At best maybe drink it if its winny.

 

[needtogetaas]

I use almost all ug now. If you got a good one you been working with for years and trust. Well fuck it its 10 times cheaper and you know your shit is good.

Just as much a chance getting fake hg as there is getting low dose or not so good ug. Its all about the people you are working with.

I was loving the human grade for a wile. Its good shit but to damn expensive and I like the guys a deal with.

 

[nzrodney]

You have to be a real fucking idiot to make an oil based product that will give somebody an infection. Oil is pretty hard to fuck up. Water based on the other hand... I would NEVER touch a water based UG product.

At best maybe drink it if its winny.

Yes agree , rarely is the gear fucked up. Its normally bad injection proceedure that causes infection. Fortunately, the water is very good where I live

 

[terrapin]

I guess my needs have always been simple: test, deca, primo for injectibles
var, winny, tbol, dbol for orals. So, I have always gone with HG for injectibles and I always will. I agree the price is higher- but test isn't that expensive anyway. Orals are a different story.

 

[justinbarth]

I guess my needs have always been simple: test, deca, primo for injectibles
var, winny, tbol, dbol for orals. So, I have always gone with HG for injectibles and I always will. I agree the price is higher- but test isn't that expensive anyway. Orals are a different story.

if ordered in 'bulk' i can get hg test way cheaper then ugl....

 

[nickster#1]

I'm recovering form an injury right now so this is for the not so near future. I have ran many cycles, but have always went with UG labs. Have recently decided to start goin with human grade anytime [possible. What difference do you see in dosing? I've always heard most all UG is honestly underdosed. So for example anyone one noticed a major change in test dosing when switching?

It depends on how well you know your source...???? Some UGs are in fact under dosed, while others are the opposite. Human grade is best when it comes to test. Im a poet and didnt know it. hehe
Know your source.

 

[sshadoww]

nothing can beat human grade-period.

+1

 

[bbkingpin]

i doubt you'll find human grade eq

Isn't that what I said? I listed it along with tren, etc.

 

[needsize]

Been juicing for 7 years now, every cycle but one has been UG, and the only difference I have found was that the UG was cheaper...and since I buy direct from the lab, less chance of fakes....I have see fake HG stuff with laser etching on the amps...so I am very leary of human stuff as its getting too hard to know whats real and whats not

 

[Donnie Darko]

UG's are a mix and match bag of potluck.

I don't know if that makes any sense, but some UG's probably don't know fully what they are doing. Some UG's probably do know what they are doing and either dose closely to correct or underdose. There are some UG's out there that will probably take pride in what they do and in order to get repeat business they will overdose a little bit to compensate for any loss in product throughout the process while maintaining the cleanest processing that they can.

None of that makes a UG good, but beggars can't always be choosers and finding a UG is like a crap toss.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

UG's are a mix and match bag of potluck.

I don't know if that makes any sense, but some UG's probably don't know fully what they are doing. Some UG's probably do know what they are doing and either dose closely to correct or underdose. There are some UG's out there that will probably take pride in what they do and in order to get repeat business they will overdose a little bit to compensate for any loss in product throughout the process while maintaining the cleanest processing that they can.

None of that makes a UG good, but beggars can't always be choosers and finding a UG is like a crap toss.

The market doesn't quite understand what the quality of UG really is, and I confess it wasn't until recently that it sunk in for me too. My magazine Body of Science has been testing UG gear for a while, but we tested for dosing accuracy only, for the most part.

Recently we ran 14 UG products through the lab, but this time looked for heavy metals, impure steroid materials, and if food grade oil was used. The lot was a fucking mess - over 20% failed for metals, over 50% failed for impure steroids materials (other intermediaries present), and a a few had flavoring agents so they used food grade oil. That is aside from all the dosing problems.

Long story short, I strongly suggest people stay away from underground gear. Are there good products out there? Yes, but the odds are long you will be buying them.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The market doesn't quite understand what the quality of UG really is, and I confess it wasn't until recently that it sunk in for me too. My magazine Body of Science has been testing UG gear for a while, but we tested for dosing accuracy only, for the most part.

Recently we ran 14 UG products through the lab, but this time looked for heavy metals, impure steroid materials, and if food grade oil was used. The lot was a fucking mess - over 20% failed for metals, over 50% failed for impure steroids materials (other intermediaries present), and a a few had flavoring agents so they used food grade oil. That is aside from all the dosing problems.

Long story short, I strongly suggest people stay away from underground gear. Are there good products out there? Yes, but the odds are long you will be buying them.

Good stuff. This is the kind of info I'd like to see from a source check -- not if they'll just send something or not.

 

[terrapin]

The market doesn't quite understand what the quality of UG really is, and I confess it wasn't until recently that it sunk in for me too. My magazine Body of Science has been testing UG gear for a while, but we tested for dosing accuracy only, for the most part.

Recently we ran 14 UG products through the lab, but this time looked for heavy metals, impure steroid materials, and if food grade oil was used. The lot was a fucking mess - over 20% failed for metals, over 50% failed for impure steroids materials (other intermediaries present), and a a few had flavoring agents so they used food grade oil. That is aside from all the dosing problems.

Long story short, I strongly suggest people stay away from underground gear. Are there good products out there? Yes, but the odds are long you will be buying them.

This is exactly what I am talking about. If you now and trust your source, then HG is the way to go. Absolutely no guess work.

 

[needsize]

UG's are a mix and match bag of potluck.

I don't know if that makes any sense, but some UG's probably don't know fully what they are doing. Some UG's probably do know what they are doing and either dose closely to correct or underdose. There are some UG's out there that will probably take pride in what they do and in order to get repeat business they will overdose a little bit to compensate for any loss in product throughout the process while maintaining the cleanest processing that they can.

None of that makes a UG good, but beggars can't always be choosers and finding a UG is like a crap toss.

some good points

what I have seen over the years with all the UG labs is that some are legit, they invest heavy cash into the proper lab equipment(ie creating a proper clean room), and will actually pay a chemist who know what they are doing. Spectro was the first one and thats the route they took, the original investment was over $60,000 to get everything set up properly, and that stuff was gold, clean and properly dosed. They ended up dropping the name and producing under a different one, but it was a great example of quality. There are a few other ones out there that went the same route, they invested money and have each batch of raws tested before they make any product. But there are some that are truly basement operations, anyone can buy the raws and make it themselves, and thats what a lot of UGs are, you can usually tell by price and a few other tell tale signs.
If you are in a position to know which ones are which, then UG is great, if you dont, then it definitely is a crap shoot

 

[galaxy]

Theres maybe two UG's I would trust. Otherwise its roullette

 

[needsize]

Theres maybe two UG's I would trust. Otherwise its roullette

lol, thats exactly how many there are that I trust