training to failure beneficial or no?

[burnthiscorpse]

I tend to have a few nagging spots, joint here, tendon there, ect. So I go with a lighter weight, slower movement, stricter form higher reps, super concentration ect....this allows me do be more "one" with mind/muscle contraction without aggravating injury. I thank omega for that philosophy. I change stuff up alot too.
I could go to the gym, load 135 on a BB and do an entire chest workout, just flat bench, changing grips, range of motion, rep number, rest between sets, ect... and be sore as hell the next 2 days. Its about the quality of the contraction.

I totally punked this 18 yr old kid out doing lat pull downs. He was like 165 lbs, using 180 lbs for reps. Swinging and jerking and yanking using pretty much everything but his lats. I never offer advice cause a) no one listens and b) i dont give a shit
But i offered, and he was like yeah sure. I told him to try dropping that to about 100 lbs and do 4 second reps, two up, squeeze, 2 down but neither all the way up or down to keep constant stress on the muscle. So ofcourse he looks at me like I have no idea what I am talking about. So I say, try it, you wont be able to do it. So he does. guess what, he barely finished 8 reps. He was dying. I also explained how much better it was for your joints. So ofcourse, next time I see him, he's using WAY too much weight, and flopping and swinging it and going a million miles an hour with it. I love jerk off kids.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I tend to have a few nagging spots, joint here, tendon there, ect. So I go with a lighter weight, slower movement, stricter form higher reps, super concentration ect....this allows me do be more "one" with mind/muscle contraction without aggravating injury. I thank omega for that philosophy. I change stuff up alot too.
I could go to the gym, load 135 on a BB and do an entire chest workout, just flat bench, changing grips, range of motion, rep number, rest between sets, ect... and be sore as hell the next 2 days. Its about the quality of the contraction.

I totally punked this 18 yr old kid out doing lat pull downs. He was like 165 lbs, using 180 lbs for reps. Swinging and jerking and yanking using pretty much everything but his lats. I never offer advice cause a) no one listens and b) i dont give a shit
But i offered, and he was like yeah sure. I told him to try dropping that to about 100 lbs and do 4 second reps, two up, squeeze, 2 down but neither all the way up or down to keep constant stress on the muscle. So ofcourse he looks at me like I have no idea what I am talking about. So I say, try it, you wont be able to do it. So he does. guess what, he barely finished 8 reps. He was dying. I also explained how much better it was for your joints. So ofcourse, next time I see him, he's using WAY too much weight, and flopping and swinging it and going a million miles an hour with it. I love jerk off kids.

man fuckthat! I hate that too!

 

[JDid23]

Dorian yates trained beyond failure. You may be thinking your training to failure but in all reality you always still have them last 2-3 reps you can muster up.....Its all about INTENSITY INTENSITY.

Dorin Yates genetics are ridiculous.... he isn't in the same league as any of us lol. If you train to failure, you fail on a rep.. That is failure.. There is no beyond failure, it's a very straightforward word. Yes, sometimes your mind can outdo your body and muster out another rep, but is not "beyond failure" because you aren't failing. I did some research on training to failure because this thread got me interested, and it is more harmful than beneficial imo. Done once in a while it is good, but to do it on every single set is crazy. Yes, you can get back and do some more, but you've already worked your biggest and strongest muscle fibers so what is the benfit of doing more? Btw this isn't a rhetorical question, i am actually wondering why you should do more with the same weight when you have already failed? I think i've mentioend this 3 or 4 times, but it's EXTREMELY taxing on your central nervous system and can hurt recovery time.

 

[Sub-Zero]

sorry guys.. i know i am inexperienced but hitting failure on every set, or even on every exercise is counterproductive. It's called failure for a reason-- you fail with that much weight and should probably drop it down. Going to failure is extremely taxing on your central nervous system and you can only take so much of it. If you train to failure every workout, your CNS will not be able to take it. This, done too often will really hurt your recovery time, but everyone needs to push their limits and see what they can do, so if it's done on occasion it's not bad

what a silly thing to say.

failure on a specific set, doesnt mean failure at life or even bodybuilding (lol!)

alot of times your strength will not increase as rapidly (due to CNS as you stated) if training to failure, or the cusp of it every workout, but is deifnately necessary sometimes. which is why periodization is excellent for strength training.

as for bodybuilding, you tear your muscles down, and you eat to repair it. your body adapts and grows under increasing loads.

its not about picking a given amount of reps on a given amount of weight, and achieving it. its about fucking up your body till you cant lift anymore and eating and resting so you grow and can do it all over again

 

[Sub-Zero]

Dorin Yates genetics are ridiculous.... he isn't in the same league as any of us lol. If you train to failure, you fail on a rep.. That is failure.. There is no beyond failure, it's a very straightforward word. Yes, sometimes your mind can outdo your body and muster out another rep, but is not "beyond failure" because you aren't failing. I did some research on training to failure because this thread got me interested, and it is more harmful than beneficial imo. Done once in a while it is good, but to do it on every single set is crazy. Yes, you can get back and do some more, but you've already worked your biggest and strongest muscle fibers so what is the benfit of doing more? Btw this isn't a rhetorical question, i am actually wondering why you should do more with the same weight when you have already failed? I think i've mentioend this 3 or 4 times, but it's EXTREMELY taxing on your central nervous system and can hurt recovery time.

failure is a stupid term anyway.

if i train with a spotter, i go till i cant do it anymore, and sometimes ill even ask my spotter to help me force out an extra rep or two. its still not "muscular failure" because if he provides more help, there is less tension and im still performing the lift and breaking down muscle fibers.

you cant over train.

only undereat and under rest.

my recommendations would be to set ur timer for an hour, and lift balls to walls for that hour. no bullshit sets. no pussying out.

 

[JDid23]

ok thanks i understand....

and i hope failing on a set doesn't mean failing at life because i'd be pretty fkd over.

also, in your first response you said that it is definietely necessary sometimes, but when you go with a spotter you always train to failure?

anyways, idk i am just heading out now so i skimmed over your 2 posts. Thanks for the responses though i get it a bit more now.

 

[Sub-Zero]

ok thanks i understand....

and i hope failing on a set doesn't mean failing at life because i'd be pretty fkd over.

also, in your first response you said that it is definietely necessary sometimes, but when you go with a spotter you always train to failure?

anyways, idk i am just heading out now so i skimmed over your 2 posts. Thanks for the responses though i get it a bit more now.

i never train chest or anything that "failure" can risk injury without a spotter.

but if i have spotter for like lat pulldowns, or something like that id force a rep or two

also, i never force repts on squats or deadlifts, because of obvious form/risk

 

[grubd]

All out effort....failure on every set.

yes! balls 2 walls

 

[2DIEZEL]

^^^^^...My man. Its all about intensity, but you have to train smart.