The way the pros do insulin-

[Spectre]

Thanks for the info Dogg, I respond VERY well to post workout carbs/creatine/glutamine. Anything after 80-100 grams of dextrose seems to be a waste for me and I worry about gaining fat.

Not dieting per se, but could I use say 6ius and 60grams of dextose to get a better effect without excess carbs?

Can I lower my carbs overall knowing I am storing glycogen more efficiently?

Thanks!

 

[Daeo]

I seriously don't understand all the hoopla is about humalog. Humulin-R is just as effective(even more possibly as ironmaster has stated), is easy to get, cheaper, and allows more room for error. The only disadvantage is the duration on Humulin-R vs Humalog. It's really not worth all the trouble guys in my experiences...

 

[emptywallet]

Thanks for the info Dogg, I respond VERY well to post workout carbs/creatine/glutamine. Anything after 80-100 grams of dextrose seems to be a waste for me and I worry about gaining fat.

Not dieting per se, but could I use say 6ius and 60grams of dextose to get a better effect without excess carbs?

Can I lower my carbs overall knowing I am storing glycogen more efficiently?

Thanks!

This is what I'm wondering. My post workout shake consists of 75 grams of dextrose and 75 grams of Whey Isolate. I eat usually again around 2 hours later since I'm so full from my shake. So would 4iu's or 5 iu's be ok for me? And then just keep the carbs on hand if I feel bad?

 

[madmatt]

Anabolics 2002 by William Llewellyn

FYI.....

"Humalog (insulin Lispro Inj): is a newer, rapid acting form of insulin. It reaches peck effect in less than two hours, and by the four hour mark is almost out of the body completely. It was designed to mimic the body's natural insulin response to meals, and allow a diabetic patient to take their medication before or immediately after eating. Medically this type does not replace other insulin products, but is used in conjunction with them. For athletes the fact that is works in such a short window of time makes it an extremely interesting product. It may in fact be the most ideal type of insulin to use, as it would work almost exclusively in the post-training nutrient uptake window."

"Humulin-R or "regular" insulin: This product has a short duration of effect, approximately 6 to 8 hours. This is the insulin of choice amouong athletes, as it is fast acting and easier to control than most other forms (except Humalog). Should one encounter problems with glucose levels in the blood, the shorter the drug will remain active in the body the better. Occasionally athletes do experiment with the longer acting forms but this is generally unadvised. While other forms of insulin will be cloudy due to their mixture, regular insulin should be a clear solution. One should not use regular insulin if the solution is cloudy or has floating particales."

He also states.... "Insulin use by those who do not medically require is can be a very risky endeavor. It is important not only to research and understand the risks involved, but toreally give some thought to just how important a little extra boost is to you. Misusing insulin can have tragic results. Immediate death, coma or the possiblie development of insulin dependent diabetes in a previously healthy athlete are all possible, be extremely careful."

"Insulin is available from pharmacies in the United States without a prescription. This is so that an insulin dependent diabetic willl have easy access to medication when traveling about. Arguing over forms or having to call a doctor for verification is all the delay needed to cost someone who needs this medication their life."

FOR MORE INFO I WOULD RECOMMEND PICKING UP YOUR COPY OF WILLIAM LLEWELLYN'S BOOK ANABOLICS 2002.

**ALL INFO ABOVE IS FROM THIS TEXT AND NOT OF MY OWN.**
JUST TRYING TO HELP KEEP IT SAFE AND STATE THE FACTS. GOOD LUCK TO ALL!

 

[McBane]

Very very informative post gdogg, thank you.

 

[McBane]

I said I'd post this so here goes for those that care-first of all, you need Humalog because it is so fast acting, it is a prescription drug in most states but I will tell you a legal way to get it later-second, buy some PURE dextrose(supplementdirect.com sells 11 lbs for $10), buy some powder creatine, powder glutamine, and whey ISOLATE-

-Only use on training days-start out with 6 units and take it right after you train
-immediately after the shot, take 10 grams of creatine, 5-15 grams of glutamine, and 100 grams of dextrose (if you fail to take enough dextrose, bad things will happen, trust me)-I pre-mix all this at home in a shaker cup-mix with water and pound it right after your shot-following the dextrose drink, drink 60 grams of whey ISOLATE
-exactly 30 minutes after your shot, eat a full meal, low fat, high protein, high carbs like oatmeal or rice-you should consume AT LEAST 130 grams of carbs at this meal


You can gradually work your way up to 10 units per day, if you do not consume enough dextrose and carbs, YOU CAN DIE-but if you follow this, you will build crazy muscle, I have a good friend who blew up with humalog BY ITSLEF, he is a pro and he knows his body, humalog is especially good for people who can't put weight on very fast, REMEMBER, when taking any kind of insulin, it's better to play around with higher carbs first, I wouldn't suggest trying it while dieting, post any questions here or e-mail me

I am curious about the role that creatine plays. Anyone care to elaborate?

 

[thate]

Anybody else use these methods on humalog?

 

[acneman]

its amazing what the human body can endure

its also amazing how many variables can effect what the human body can endure


i have personally seen someone go hypo on 12 iu of humulin R

and i had to fight that person to save his life

when he was ok he asked me how i got a bloody nose

i told him that when he went hypo he wouldnt take his carbs and fought me like i was trying to kill him when i shoved glucose tabs in his mouth and forced him to not spit them out


long story short


insulin is perhaps the most anabolic substance in the world
but must be handled with care

lucky for us acneman wrote the comprehensive and safest way to use insulin
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=156144

use slin like a pro and take the risks like a pro

use slin like an intelligent person and minimize your risk and grow

you make the call

i have seen little reason to take more than 10 12 iu of slin.
how much macronutrients can your body process to take advantage of these amounts?

to quote the first article on slin i read 8 or 9 years ago

"if your a pro bodybuilder you dont need my advice. your life is your to destroy."

 

[lonewulf]

Interesting post, but i think i am too chicken to try this stuff.....-WULF

 

[marky]

I seriously don't understand all the hoopla is about humalog. Humulin-R is just as effective(even more possibly as ironmaster has stated), is easy to get, cheaper, and allows more room for error. The only disadvantage is the duration on Humulin-R vs Humalog. It's really not worth all the trouble guys in my experiences...

I agree. Used both and the greater room for error allowed by R is IMO preferable to Humalog. Its easy to get Hypo on Humalog if your not careful while with R Ive never had an incident. I saw no difference in the gains btw the two, just more of a timeing hassel with Humalog. Love slin. You can cut down on the AAS doses and still make great gains. I do 10iu every day at post workout time. Then space 2 meals 2 hours apart with significant carbs. Great stuff and not such a risk unless your and idiot.