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The way the pros do insulin-

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I said I'd post this so here goes for those that care-first of all, you need Humalog because it is so fast acting, it is a prescription drug in most states but I will tell you a legal way to get it later-second, buy some PURE dextrose(supplementdirect.com sells 11 lbs for $10), buy some powder creatine, powder glutamine, and whey ISOLATE-

-Only use on training days-start out with 6 units and take it right after you train
-immediately after the shot, take 10 grams of creatine, 5-15 grams of glutamine, and 100 grams of dextrose (if you fail to take enough dextrose, bad things will happen, trust me)-I pre-mix all this at home in a shaker cup-mix with water and pound it right after your shot-following the dextrose drink, drink 60 grams of whey ISOLATE
-exactly 30 minutes after your shot, eat a full meal, low fat, high protein, high carbs like oatmeal or rice-you should consume AT LEAST 130 grams of carbs at this meal


You can gradually work your way up to 10 units per day, if you do not consume enough dextrose and carbs, YOU CAN DIE-but if you follow this, you will build crazy muscle, I have a good friend who blew up with humalog BY ITSLEF, he is a pro and he knows his body, humalog is especially good for people who can't put weight on very fast, REMEMBER, when taking any kind of insulin, it's better to play around with higher carbs first, I wouldn't suggest trying it while dieting, post any questions here or e-mail me
 
I like where you are going with this...Better safe than sorry!

I know for a fact that the pros take up to 30ius post training and to stay lean they go as low as 3-4 grams of carbs per IU.

I would never take it that way, but they push the envelope. If they took slin that way, they would store way to much fat.

I have gone up to 100ius post workout( was mis-informed ) for 4 days and only had about 10 minutes of any hypo-feelings. I drank a coke and was fine. I was only taking about 1-2 grams of carbs per IU.

PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT ADVISING ANYONE TO TAKE SLIN THIS WAY!!!

I am only pointing out that your body will give you plenty of signs before anything serious will happen. As long as you watch yourself and feel your way through, you can take more than 10ius safely.
 
LAWNSAVER said:

I have gone up to 100ius post workout( was mis-informed ) for 4 days and only had about 10 minutes of any hypo-feelings. I drank a coke and was fine. I was only taking about 1-2 grams of carbs per IU.
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damn bro, you are very lucky
 
Yes, I am!! BUT..the only info the jerk off gave me that was correct was that my body would tell me when I need more carbs. I got plenty of notice, drank some simple sugars and was fine!

Did I mention in those 4 days, which was a bridge, I made new maxes on my bench and squat...LOL

Slin is some awsome stuff.

Again...not to be messed around with, but respected!
 
Hey Guys-
I was thinking about adding insulin to my soccer training. Would using it after a match or practice be alright(along with 4 days after weight training). I was wondering if losing all that water during the 2 hours I play will affect or complicate the action of the insulin. I was thinking this could really help my recovery from the grueling sessions of running and I'm not worried about adding a little weight.
 
Is there an advantage to using humalog vs. humalin R other than safety?I always used humalin R because it is so easy to get,but I would be willing to hunt around for some humalog if there is more advatages to using it.
 
Since there is risk of death involved, is the dose of carbs:insulin going to be the same or DAMN NEAR for all people? Or is there some variance like due to insulin sensativity in some people?

Scary shit, more so because I know nothing about the stuff.
 
Insulin is not scary if one takes a little time to research, and starts with very light doses. Just keep some glucose on hand and it's no big deal.
Insulin is the second most anabolic substance available. Actually, slow insulin's cause more anabolic activity than short ones. I have used a 12 hour insulin along with humalog with outstanding mass-building results. A number of the pros use insulin this way. No, super-slow insulins are not more dangerous, because there never really is a peak, like with humalog. Humalog will knock you on your ass if you don't get the carbs right in a hurry.
 
30 iu's isn't insane...

DEFINITELY work your way up on insulin. Start LOW, and learn how it feels and when it kicks in. That's really important. I've fucked up once and not had any food/carb drinks on me when that shit kicked on full boar.. started getting the shakes, queasiness, sleepy... never again! Seriously that was some scary ass shit.

But I do love how insulin makes you a hungry motherfucker even if you just had a full course meal. For about 10 minutes I can unreal amounts of food.

ALWAYS have carbs or access to carbs with insulin.. no joke.
 
While it's true that one needs to consume ample carbs with slin, 100 grams of dextrose or any other simple carb for that matter for only 6 IU's is excessive. Granted, it will lessen the chances of going hypo, but it also has a propensity to increase fat gain. Most people are fine taking just 70-100 grams of carbs per 10 IU or in other words 7-10 grams of carbs per IU. And not all pro's use primarily humalog as a lot use humulin R as well.
 
i think with humalog you really need to go with the 10grams per 1 unit carb method...i tried taking 10units of humalog with only 50 grams dextrose , and about 1 1/2 hours later (after my second meal , consisting of chicken and 75 grams complex carbs (rice,potatoe), i started goin hypo, i felt really sick and could barely stand up, i had to drink some more dextrose. so i learned my lesson...drink the damn 10 grams of sugar per unit of slin.
 
Assuming the "pro's" are on GH at the same time do they take the GH with the slin?
 
There are websites out there where you can legally purchase insulin and have it in 48 hours, no matter where you live.
 
Here in Ohio I can purchase insulin without a script. My father is diabetic and when I ran errands in high school I would just walk into Wal Mart and ask for it.
 
Two questions which may sound dumb because I'm a slin virgin but here goes.

1. One unit = one ml ?

2. How often do you take this? Every day after each workout? And for how long?

Thanks
 
Damn, another question,,,,,I was thinking, Cell-Tech has 10 grams of creatine and 75 grams of Dextrose per serving. Couldn't this be taken right after? All that would be left is the Glutamine.
 
Enigmaxxx7 said:
Damn, another question,,,,,I was thinking, Cell-Tech has 10 grams of creatine and 75 grams of Dextrose per serving. Couldn't this be taken right after? All that would be left is the Glutamine.
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From what I have read this is what many people do. I would do that during my upcoming insulin experience but the fact that I cannot stand cell-tech poses a dilemma. :sick:
 
Enigmaxxx7 said:
Two questions which may sound dumb because I'm a slin virgin but here goes.

1. One unit = one ml ?

2. How often do you take this? Every day after each workout? And for how long?

Thanks
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Units are marked on the side of the slin dart. 100units= 1cc/1ml

The pancrease does not seem to "shut down" the way the hpta access does with exo slin, especially if using one with a short life span. Having said that I suppose one could take it after every workout for as long as they wanted.
 
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Insulin

Why do you wait thirty minutes after your Humalog injection to consume Whey Isolate? Why can't you take it at the same time you take your carb (dextrose) drink immediately following your injection?
 
Enigmaxxx7 said:
Two questions which may sound dumb because I'm a slin virgin but here goes.

1. One unit = one ml ?

2. How often do you take this? Every day after each workout? And for how long?

Thanks
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bro...please do not take 1 ml of slin thinking its one unit...that could seriously kill you...in just one tiny ml there are 100 units..that why you need a "u 100" needle to measure it.
 
sicklydiesel said:






bro...please do not take 1 ml of slin thinking its one unit...that could seriously kill you...in just one tiny ml there are 100 units..that why you need a "u 100" needle to measure it.
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LOL, yeah, that's why I asked. Zyg cleared it up for me. One unit per one ml did not make since money-wise. It is a lot more clearer now, thanks.
 
Surgical said:
Can you use insulin while you're using test/fina?

How many weeks can you use insulin?
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I got mine at Eckered's and ran 20 IU a day during the the last 4 weeks of my test/fina cycle. The gains were amazing and my strength went through the roof. I think i will take 10 IU next time though. Make sure you have some sugar on hand in case you start to get low blood sugar, like jelly beans or a butterfinger or something.
 
enigmaxx7, does that site you posted ship in the US?

okay, this is my first time injecting anything or not being "natural" so forgive me if you think these are no brainers, but with the fact that you can DIE i want to have all my bases covered.

1. do you inject the insulin into a vein or into the muscle? which spot(s) do you guys do it in or where is the best?

2. is the amount of I.U.s you first start out with proportional to weight? because a friend and i plan on taking insulin, but we are different heights and weights and i dont know if we should be doing the same amount. im 135 lbs (may seem really low but im also really short)

3. does it have to be dextrose or could it be maltodextrin or ultra fuel? right now my stuff from protein factory is 85% maltodextrin, 10% dextrose, 5% fructose... would that be alright?

thats all i can think of right now, but im sure i will think of some later. thanks.
 
enigmaxx7, does that site you posted ship in the US?

okay, this is my first time injecting anything or not being "natural" so forgive me if you think these are no brainers, but with the fact that you can DIE i want to have all my bases covered.

1. do you inject the insulin into a vein or into the muscle? which spot(s) do you guys do it in or where is the best?

2. is the amount of I.U.s you first start out with proportional to weight? because a friend and i plan on taking insulin, but we are different heights and weights and i dont know if we should be doing the same amount. im 135 lbs (may seem really low but im also really short)

3. does it have to be dextrose or could it be maltodextrin or ultra fuel? right now my stuff from protein factory is 85% maltodextrin, 10% dextrose, 5% fructose... would that be alright?

thats all i can think of right now, but im sure i will think of some later. thanks.
 
i'm not sure if that online pharmacy delivers to the U.S. but it sure looks like it. i've never ordered any.

now again, i'm a slin virgin but i think you inject it into the fat. not deep into your muscle like AS. a slin needle is really small and goes just a little beneath the skin i think.
 
i'd like to ask a question to those of you that have done the higher doses of insulin,i see that some of you are saying to take 10gs of carbs per iu,so at 30u you're consuming 300gm of carbs?that sounds like a lot .do you guys have problems w/ increased body fat w/ that much or is that just expected and then you cut afterwards,thanks
S.R.
 
ive been pondering something. i usually have 100g of carbs right after a workout because my natural GH is high during that time but the insulin is low so the 44 cals of carbs give a natural insulin spike....now i was wondering if you could then inject the insulin while you are getting a natural insulin spike already, to make your insulin level even higher. and then with glutamine, could you also take GABA? and maybe ornithine and arginine? those are all supposed to increase you GH levels.
 
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Thanks for the info Dogg, I respond VERY well to post workout carbs/creatine/glutamine. Anything after 80-100 grams of dextrose seems to be a waste for me and I worry about gaining fat.

Not dieting per se, but could I use say 6ius and 60grams of dextose to get a better effect without excess carbs?

Can I lower my carbs overall knowing I am storing glycogen more efficiently?

Thanks!
 
I seriously don't understand all the hoopla is about humalog. Humulin-R is just as effective(even more possibly as ironmaster has stated), is easy to get, cheaper, and allows more room for error. The only disadvantage is the duration on Humulin-R vs Humalog. It's really not worth all the trouble guys in my experiences...
 
Spectre said:
Thanks for the info Dogg, I respond VERY well to post workout carbs/creatine/glutamine. Anything after 80-100 grams of dextrose seems to be a waste for me and I worry about gaining fat.

Not dieting per se, but could I use say 6ius and 60grams of dextose to get a better effect without excess carbs?

Can I lower my carbs overall knowing I am storing glycogen more efficiently?

Thanks!
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This is what I'm wondering. My post workout shake consists of 75 grams of dextrose and 75 grams of Whey Isolate. I eat usually again around 2 hours later since I'm so full from my shake. So would 4iu's or 5 iu's be ok for me? And then just keep the carbs on hand if I feel bad?
 
Anabolics 2002 by William Llewellyn

FYI.....

"Humalog (insulin Lispro Inj): is a newer, rapid acting form of insulin. It reaches peck effect in less than two hours, and by the four hour mark is almost out of the body completely. It was designed to mimic the body's natural insulin response to meals, and allow a diabetic patient to take their medication before or immediately after eating. Medically this type does not replace other insulin products, but is used in conjunction with them. For athletes the fact that is works in such a short window of time makes it an extremely interesting product. It may in fact be the most ideal type of insulin to use, as it would work almost exclusively in the post-training nutrient uptake window."

"Humulin-R or "regular" insulin: This product has a short duration of effect, approximately 6 to 8 hours. This is the insulin of choice amouong athletes, as it is fast acting and easier to control than most other forms (except Humalog). Should one encounter problems with glucose levels in the blood, the shorter the drug will remain active in the body the better. Occasionally athletes do experiment with the longer acting forms but this is generally unadvised. While other forms of insulin will be cloudy due to their mixture, regular insulin should be a clear solution. One should not use regular insulin if the solution is cloudy or has floating particales."

He also states.... "Insulin use by those who do not medically require is can be a very risky endeavor. It is important not only to research and understand the risks involved, but toreally give some thought to just how important a little extra boost is to you. Misusing insulin can have tragic results. Immediate death, coma or the possiblie development of insulin dependent diabetes in a previously healthy athlete are all possible, be extremely careful."

"Insulin is available from pharmacies in the United States without a prescription. This is so that an insulin dependent diabetic willl have easy access to medication when traveling about. Arguing over forms or having to call a doctor for verification is all the delay needed to cost someone who needs this medication their life."

FOR MORE INFO I WOULD RECOMMEND PICKING UP YOUR COPY OF WILLIAM LLEWELLYN'S BOOK ANABOLICS 2002.

**ALL INFO ABOVE IS FROM THIS TEXT AND NOT OF MY OWN.**
JUST TRYING TO HELP KEEP IT SAFE AND STATE THE FACTS. GOOD LUCK TO ALL! :mix:
 
g-dogg said:
I said I'd post this so here goes for those that care-first of all, you need Humalog because it is so fast acting, it is a prescription drug in most states but I will tell you a legal way to get it later-second, buy some PURE dextrose(supplementdirect.com sells 11 lbs for $10), buy some powder creatine, powder glutamine, and whey ISOLATE-

-Only use on training days-start out with 6 units and take it right after you train
-immediately after the shot, take 10 grams of creatine, 5-15 grams of glutamine, and 100 grams of dextrose (if you fail to take enough dextrose, bad things will happen, trust me)-I pre-mix all this at home in a shaker cup-mix with water and pound it right after your shot-following the dextrose drink, drink 60 grams of whey ISOLATE
-exactly 30 minutes after your shot, eat a full meal, low fat, high protein, high carbs like oatmeal or rice-you should consume AT LEAST 130 grams of carbs at this meal


You can gradually work your way up to 10 units per day, if you do not consume enough dextrose and carbs, YOU CAN DIE-but if you follow this, you will build crazy muscle, I have a good friend who blew up with humalog BY ITSLEF, he is a pro and he knows his body, humalog is especially good for people who can't put weight on very fast, REMEMBER, when taking any kind of insulin, it's better to play around with higher carbs first, I wouldn't suggest trying it while dieting, post any questions here or e-mail me
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I am curious about the role that creatine plays. Anyone care to elaborate?
 
its amazing what the human body can endure

its also amazing how many variables can effect what the human body can endure


i have personally seen someone go hypo on 12 iu of humulin R

and i had to fight that person to save his life

when he was ok he asked me how i got a bloody nose

i told him that when he went hypo he wouldnt take his carbs and fought me like i was trying to kill him when i shoved glucose tabs in his mouth and forced him to not spit them out


long story short


insulin is perhaps the most anabolic substance in the world
but must be handled with care

lucky for us acneman wrote the comprehensive and safest way to use insulin
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=156144

use slin like a pro and take the risks like a pro

use slin like an intelligent person and minimize your risk and grow

you make the call

i have seen little reason to take more than 10 12 iu of slin.
how much macronutrients can your body process to take advantage of these amounts?

to quote the first article on slin i read 8 or 9 years ago

"if your a pro bodybuilder you dont need my advice. your life is your to destroy."
 
Daeo said:
I seriously don't understand all the hoopla is about humalog. Humulin-R is just as effective(even more possibly as ironmaster has stated), is easy to get, cheaper, and allows more room for error. The only disadvantage is the duration on Humulin-R vs Humalog. It's really not worth all the trouble guys in my experiences...
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I agree. Used both and the greater room for error allowed by R is IMO preferable to Humalog. Its easy to get Hypo on Humalog if your not careful while with R Ive never had an incident. I saw no difference in the gains btw the two, just more of a timeing hassel with Humalog. Love slin. You can cut down on the AAS doses and still make great gains. I do 10iu every day at post workout time. Then space 2 meals 2 hours apart with significant carbs. Great stuff and not such a risk unless your and idiot.
 
acneman said:
its amazing what the human body can endure

its also amazing how many variables can effect what the human body can endure


i have personally seen someone go hypo on 12 iu of humulin R

and i had to fight that person to save his life

when he was ok he asked me how i got a bloody nose

i told him that when he went hypo he wouldnt take his carbs and fought me like i was trying to kill him when i shoved glucose tabs in his mouth and forced him to not spit them out


long story short


insulin is perhaps the most anabolic substance in the world
but must be handled with care

lucky for us acneman wrote the comprehensive and safest way to use insulin
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=156144

use slin like a pro and take the risks like a pro

use slin like an intelligent person and minimize your risk and grow

you make the call

i have seen little reason to take more than 10 12 iu of slin.
how much macronutrients can your body process to take advantage of these amounts?

to quote the first article on slin i read 8 or 9 years ago

"if your a pro bodybuilder you dont need my advice. your life is your to destroy."
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Good post acneman
 
acneman said:
i have personally seen someone go hypo on 12 iu of humulin R
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Acneman,

Please explain the circumstances that brought this about. Did he forget to take in his carbs or did he just reduce them that day?
 
thate

why that time and not at other times is a mystery we will never know

perhaps his metabolism was higher than normal that day

mabey he had worked out more seriously than normal a littler more intense

man i dont know but his post inject meal timing was exactly the same as the 10 times before when he had no probs

some how either his blood sugar was lower than normal or his body was processing the slin quicker or something in that area

bottom line no more "timmin it" for him (inject/carbs-protein...same time)
 
acneman said:
thate

why that time and not at other times is a mystery we will never know

perhaps his metabolism was higher than normal that day

mabey he had worked out more seriously than normal a littler more intense

man i dont know but his post inject meal timing was exactly the same as the 10 times before when he had no probs

some how either his blood sugar was lower than normal or his body was processing the slin quicker or something in that area

bottom line no more "timmin it" for him (inject/carbs-protein...same time)
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OK, so he was trying to time his drink. Condsidering I am not going to do this, I have my drink right next to the syringe and kill it immediately, I shouldn't have this problem. Was he waiting for mild hypo symptoms before he would drink his shake?
 
nah nobody should wait for hypo signs

he was just waitn 30 minutes before consuming
 
acneman said:
nah nobody should wait for hypo signs

he was just waitn 30 minutes before consuming
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So can we assume that his hypo incident occured within that 30 minues and could of easily been avoided by immediately drinking his shake?
 
I love Insulin. I started 20iu per day (10iu first thing in the morning, 10iu in the afternoon) along with GH a week ago. I have gained 8 lbs in one week. I'm taking Humulin-R in the morning, followed by Hunalog in the Afternoon. I shot the Humalog about 1 hour before I went to work out yesterday (brought a coke with me to the gym) and the pumps I had were amazing! Couldn't believe it!

I know firsthand that 10 grams of sugar/carbs per 1iu is overshooting it a little (with me anyway) as I have a machine with the strips to measure my bloodsugar. I end up taking around 7-8 grams per 1iu and my sugar seems to maintain anywhere between 90-115mg/dl, which is normal. I could probably drop it to 5grams per 1iu but I don't think I am going to at this point and stay safe. Don't want to drop below 70mg/dl, as at that point you might start to feel the first signs of going hypo, such as being tired, slightly dizzy, etc.
 
thate said:


So can we assume that his hypo incident occured within that 30 minues and could of easily been avoided by immediately drinking his shake?
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that is correct
 
badazzwhitedude

you take slin before workout you are lookin for trouble

be careful

my .02
 
acneman said:
badazzwhitedude

you take slin before workout you are lookin for trouble

be careful

my .02
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I consumed plenty of complex carbs prior to injection and brought a big coke to the gym with me to drink to make sure I didn't go hypo. They also have high carb drinks at the gym too. My workouts don't last for 1.5-2 hours either. Usually about 30-40 minutes and I am done. I had everything covered.
 
i run my insulin after my workout so you can reep the rewards of insulins job, which is to rush nutrients into your cells to aid in recovery. I have been on insulin for the first time now for two weeks and i like it very much. I have to keep my carbs per iu at 6 or 7 and have gone up to 15 ius of humalog. Im cycling this with sustanon and fina and im up 15 pounds. I really like it. Not getting crazy pumps or anything just seem to keep gaining nicely and filling out really well. Cant tell about strength of course because im also on right now.......good luck to those who try just read up and learn before you do it. Hypo is a scary scary thing!
 
I read some where that a company was trying to say the company e-lilly's humalog was indenical to IGF-1, don't know how true that is but you never know these days, maybe thats why humalog might work better
 
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