Surprised more people don't suffer pec tears

[FlexBailey]

Oh yeah, the lat took awhile to get better. Even now i'm not sure if it's 100% because sometimes I feel little twinges like if I'm doing lat pulldowns. So i've had to be very careful doing back the last month.
People reading this must think I have terrible form or something, well I don't. My form is pretty much on the money. it's just the fact i've been training for 11 years and it has a way of wearing you down when you don't take enough time off. That is basically my one and only flaw, not knowing when to stay home or take a extended break.

 

[RoNiN]

I have had to watch that to... it is hard when you want something bad but your body only can take so much at one time.

What does your cycle look like ? Is it going to change as it get's closer to the show?

 

[Lift or Die]

That's good Lift or Die. Seeing you had your surgery within a few weeks means you should recover fully.
Me waiting for a year and a half allowed alot of scar tissue to build up making the sugery harder on the sugeon to perform. I was told I should get 90% of my strength back... Well a year and a half after the surgery I had maybe 70-80% of my strength back. Things were going good until this past sunday. I strained or partially tore my pec again doing a weight i have been doing for the last 12 weeks! Plus I just had a week off a month ago so it should have been rested enough. I just don't understand what kind of luck this is..My reps are clean and strict and i'm very careful. Luck has not been on my side with this one..

The orthopeadic doc told me it was best to have the surgery within a few weeks if possible after a tear like that.

When you tore yours was it a tendon rupture? He told me I was actually lucky I ripped the tendon instead of the actual muscle. When the muscle tears, he describes it as trying to sew peices of spaggetti together if performing surgery.

I hope its nothing too serious this time. Take care

 

[FlexBailey]

I have had to watch that to... it is hard when you want something bad but your body only can take so much at one time.

What does your cycle look like ? Is it going to change as it get's closer to the show?

I started with Win-V, EQ, and Ara-Test at 12 weeks out. At 8 weeks I start the clen and at 6 weeks I add in Tren. At 4 weeks I drop the test and add some Halo.
This would have been the most crank i've taken precontest and I'm starting it 11 pounds heavier than I started my pre-contest cycle before.
I was actually going to do 2 levels this year so I would be eligible to do the Ontario's next year. If I didn't do two levels Iwas planning on doing a level 2 and than level 3 back to back next year. Hopefully I can get atleast one show in this year wether it's the Stratford or Kingstons.

 

[FlexBailey]

The orthopeadic doc told me it was best to have the surgery within a few weeks if possible after a tear like that.

When you tore yours was it a tendon rupture? He told me I was actually lucky I ripped the tendon instead of the actual muscle. When the muscle tears, he describes it as trying to sew peices of spaggetti together if performing surgery.

I hope its nothing too serious this time. Take care

I tore the tendon clean off the bone.
I remember the surgeon telling me that the muscle will heal quicker than the tendon and to be careful. Can you actually tear a muscle and tendon at the same time? I thought major pec tear was just the tendon ripping out of the insertion point in where the major pec would curl up in a ball because the tendon lost it's attacment. Muscle attaches to tendon, tendon to bone. So if the tendon goes the muscle goes as well.
Or am I mistaken? The surgeons didn't make it very clear.

 

[Deepsquat]

That is why whenever I start getting very strong during a cycle...I hold back someworkouts on my intensity level...or the frequency in which I will do a given exercise hard again....For instance I did one dumbell overhead tricep extentions the other day and whet as high as 135x8 (that was a personal best) and I won't go that hard on that exercise again for three more tri workouts.....better to be safe then injured!

 

[FlexBailey]

Exactly Deep Squat, now days I know to cycle my training. It's just I learned about that a little too late and i've paid the ultimate price.
I haven't gone heavy on chest since my injury. I don't go below 8-10 rep range.

 

[Lift or Die]

I tore the tendon clean off the bone.
I remember the surgeon telling me that the muscle will heal quicker than the tendon and to be careful. Can you actually tear a muscle and tendon at the same time? I thought major pec tear was just the tendon ripping out of the insertion point in where the major pec would curl up in a ball because the tendon lost it's attacment. Muscle attaches to tendon, tendon to bone. So if the tendon goes the muscle goes as well.
Or am I mistaken? The surgeons didn't make it very clear.

I'm sure its possible to tear some muscle on a tendon rupture. Anything is possible. I asked my doc about it and he said when they had me cut open the muscle was fine, no tears in it. When a tendon rupture like that happens its because the muscle grows too strong in a short amount of time for the connective tissue to adapt.

You are correct about the muscle to tendon, tendon to bone. And yes, when the tendon tears off the bone the whole pec muscle rolls up like a tape measure. My doc says that will also cause damage to the muscle. After I had the MRI, he said my options were to leave it alone which would make the muscle useless, or get it fixed. Of course I opted to get it fixed. The muscle looks a little disfigured to this day, but its functional. No big deal, I don't plan to compete.

He said pec tendon ruptures were rare but he see's lots of quad tendon tears. Its basically the same operation. He asked me if I use steroids and of course I said no as I sat there all bloated with 40 pounds of water from Sust and Dbol.

 

[mikelong23]

you never know, maybe a lot of bodybuilders do, which is why we might not even know of the best ones out there b/c the tear theres. and the ones competeting now are the lucky ones that dont tear it.

 

[FlexBailey]

Lift or Die, that sounds like exactly what I had.
I had the countries best shoulder surgeon do it, he does up the Blue Jays and Leafs and Olympic squad. So I was in good hands..probably the reason my pec didn't fully tear again. The pain was in the meat of the major pec. Not where the tendon connects into the hummerus or armpit area. That makes me think it's not a partial tear of the tendon but rather strain to the major pec muscle. It felt like a painful pulling perhaps. Not a snapping or popping.
As well no bruising or swelling and I still have complete range of motion and can contract my pec without and pain(I did a few pushups the other night to see how it felt and it felt okay). I'm going to play it be ear. The show is in 11.5 weeks. If I can have it 100% by week 8, that's all the time I need. For now I continue dieting and cardio with hopes I can still so this. I'm taking SHITLOADS of glutamine seeing I own a store and can gobble it down like candy. As well I just started on my cycle so the EQ and test should increase the healing time immensely.