Strong as F_CK on DBOL and WINNY

[jims]

if one is to take these and no injectables how would one take dbol and winny (winny mainly in there to solidy gains and retain them) to get as big and strong as fuck, without any major sides,

basically what would the cycle look like and what is the length and dosage of each roid without doing an over kill.



also if taking liver proctetants like liv52, ala how long does one start those prior to the cycle so they are active in the body.


also if one is 6 feet and 240 and working out for 5 years what kinda of gains can one make on size and strength on dbol and winny.

injectables are not an option, don't ask me why u guys won't understand.

thanks

 

[Bulldog_10]

I'd pick one or the other...personally, I'd go with dbol at 30mg or so.

 

[sus250]

You will not get big and strong as fuck on Dbol and Winny. You will make some good gains but don't expect to much. Eat clean is #1 and you will make solid gains without all the fat added. If you do not eat clean you will gain 25 + lbs with alot of fat. Expect 10-15lbs on a clean 10 week cylce. You are already a big guy. Not sure how much of the 240 is fat. Only you know that. Good luck bro and keep up the good work.

Here is my suggestion of a good cycle with the two.

Weeks 1-10 30mg Dbol Per day. Split in two Doses.

Weeks 4-10 50mg Winny ED. Split in Two Doses.

 

[jubei]

I can't see myself taking 2 17aa orals at once, or advocating their use to anyone else. Maybe 30mg dbol ed for 6-8 weeks max. You will keep maybe 10 lbs. or so if everything is in order.

 

[thelegacy]

well i will be the first one to respond---and ask (even though you alreday stated it) Why no injectables???

anyway---I figure you want to take both at same time--personally taking both is to toxic on liver but it will give great gains--so if your gonna do it shorten length of cycle cuz of toxicity--so i would be on three weeks at 30mg dosage of d-bol and 40-50 mg winny..If you do them separatly then you can go longer on each about 4-6 weeks. Have you ever cycled before?? gains can vary on how you train and eat

 

[thelegacy]

You will not get big and strong as fuck on Dbol and Winny. You will make some good gains but don't expect to much. Eat clean is #1 and you will make solid gains without all the fat added. If you do not eat clean you will gain 25 + lbs with alot of fat. Expect 10-15lbs on a clean 10 week cylce. You are already a big guy. Not sure how much of the 240 is fat. Only you know that. Good luck bro and keep up the good work.

Here is my suggestion of a good cycle with the two.

Weeks 1-10 30mg Dbol Per day. Split in two Doses.

Weeks 4-10 50mg Winny ED. Split in Two Doses.

I think he can strong as hell off these two--maybe not that big--but his strength will increase dramatically---winny is awesome for strength--in my opinion its better than halo or just about anything

 

[The_Eviscerator]

You will probably get strong, but in the process you will proabably hurt yourself. Winstrol decreases collagen crosshatching and I have noticed tighter hamstrings and joints accompanied with its use. I do get stronger, but the injury risks increase exponentially.

 

[Triple J]

I remember reading somewhere that winny and dbol somehow lessen each other's effect, I don't know about that, but when I ran them together I did not really notice any synergy - it was a waste IMHO

 

[DaddyX]

well for as too how much u gain and keep is a mystery and nobody here knows so im not gonna guess. as far as using the 2 thats just dumb,as far as using one of the 2 by itself is dumb. however your gains will better on and after if you go with dbol. alone i would go with just around 25 mg of dbol for 6 weeks(no more) if going with winstrol alone i would do 50mg ed for 6 weeks. this being said if you gain 10 lbs and keep it your one lucky bastard......i would be happy with 3lbs with a shit cycle like these. BTW sus250 - horrible advise, you really have no clue what your talking about

 

[jubei]

I agree with DaddyX with just about everything he said. Sust 250 please think before you post.