Proper deadlift pulling technique and preventing injuries

[b fold the truth]

thats my guess. too many variables (flexibility, warmed up enough, etc.) to blame something as slight as an inch or 2 starting point on a lift.

Yeah...what is crazy is that I am a fanatic about warming up and stretching before every workout. I had done about 10 sets before it tore too...

Also, as people keep forgetting, I pulled it with the bar DIRECTLY ON my shins...NOT away from them.

I also find it funny that anabolicmd still hasn't addressed my points...lol.

B True

 

[collegiateLifter]

As far as the lateral raise/bench press analogy, it makes no sense at all. Raising your outstreched arms from your thigh to the bench finish position is actually the longer rout, and a different direction so it doesnt matter anyway. A correct analogy with the bench press fortifies my argument: the shortest distance between the botom and top of a benc pres is, you guessed it, a straight line vertically going up.

Wrong.

The amount of work needed to perform the concentric in the semi front raise example is the least (if you need help visualizing this, you have a slight bend in the elbows at the bottom position and complete a ROM of a few inches to finish the lift, in essence you have a tiny bit of tri extension and a partial lateral raise, you do not do a full raise from your hips to your chest level), because it involves not only a line but the shortest of all possible lines.

THAT is the crux of your over-simplified argument i am afraid.


The fact of the matter is it is not so simple; there are multiple factors to consider, including not only optimizing the amount of work being done, but also considering the kinematics required of a lift (compare deadlifts and cleans for instance), and the biomechanical aspects of the lifter (read: leverage issues).

 

[anabolicmd]

Yeah...what is crazy is that I am a fanatic about warming up and stretching before every workout. I had done about 10 sets before it tore too...

Also, as people keep forgetting, I pulled it with the bar DIRECTLY ON my shins...NOT away from them.

I also find it funny that anabolicmd still hasn't addressed my points...lol.

B True

Well, all I can say is that this thread isnt solely about what you did, its about proper technique and injuries. Your case was just an example that I used to get a quality, in-depth discussion going. I ceased replying to you because your ego got involved, and you started with insults and putdowns. That is not how this board operates. You stated that I dont even workout, yet you know damn well that I do. You also called me a troll, simply for disagreeing with you. You see how many posts I made? I'm not avoiding anyones questions, I just gave priority to those who were willing to discuss the issue calmly and openly. But if you want me to go right down the line with your points, here we go:
Its good that you kept the bar at your shins, if you hadnt, the leverage on your hamstring would have been a lot stronger and the tear a lot worse. Its simple, the bar needs to stay as vertical as possible. Any back and forth movement, beyond the bare minimum needed to clear the knees, is unnecessary and can cause injuries.

 

[Nonerz]

The only difference is, as you mentioned, speed and follow up. The bar goes up the same way whenever it is pulled from the ground: straight up. Not backwards, not in-out-in-out, but upwards as vertically as possible.

I'm no expert...but you're wrong.

from:
Explosive Lifting for Sports
by Harvey Newton

great book

I'm curious what kind of experience you have and what type of training you do.

 

[Cut]

I'm curious what kind of experience you have and what type of training you do.

I'm curious as to what your lifting and physical stats are.

 

[Cuthbert]

I'm curious as to what your lifting and physical stats are.

stats are irrelevant.. she is right.

 

[Debaser]

I'm curious as to what your lifting and physical stats are.

I believe she's about 580 lbs at 3% bodyfat, and deadlifts well over 2500 lbs.

 

[anabolicmd]

I'm no expert...but you're wrong.

from:
Explosive Lifting for Sports
by Harvey Newton

great book

I'm curious what kind of experience you have and what type of training you do.

First of Nonerz, thank you for contributing so thoughtfully to this thread. Harvey Newtons book is a very good introduction to olympic weightlifting and its benefits in other sports. I also believe that oly lifting has the most to offer any athlete in terms of developing explosive speed and strength, as well as excellent flexibility throughout full ranges of motion.

And yes, the bar trajectory in the clean ends up being an elongated S curve, but, we do not aim for an S curve. We aim for a straight trajectory by keeping the bar as close and as vertical as possible throughout the lift. It is virtually impossible to lift the bar at a perfect 90 degree angle, but again, the goal is to get as close as possible. The mechanics and alignment of our bodies, as well as our flexibility and technique will dictate how close each of us can get to the ideal bar trajectory. And, starting out with the bar as close to the body is the ideal starting point if our goal is to keep the distance as short as possible, as well as focus all the energy into lifting the bar up, rather than back and forth. I actually brought up and discussed the S curve issue in post # 16 on this thread, and I adress some of my experience as well. I guess you missed it?

But back to the deadlift: in that lift as well, we aim for the shortest trajectory, and keeping the bar as close to the body during the entire lift is how we do it. To illustrate my point even better, consider the trap bar deadlift. Due to the construction of the bar, one can actually deadlift along the ideal bar trajectory, because the trap bar loops around the body. Trap bar deadlifts are much easier ton perform precisely because you dont have to worry about keepig the bar close, its already there, and the shortened distance allows lifters to lift more than they can in the conventional deadlift.

 

[Synpax]

New person question:

Why would olympians and powerlifters lift differently? Don't they have the same goals - to lift the most weight possible?

 

[anabolicmd]

New person question:

Why would olympians and powerlifters lift differently? Don't they have the same goals - to lift the most weight possible?

What a beautifully simple, yet perfectly correct observation. That is the bottom line when all is said and done.