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This is what I have been saying for a long time here, but with steroids SO EASY to come by now you almost have what I would consider an "epidemic" of young undereducated "kids" taking them who have NO BUSINESS using them .
I predict that will only get worse

Its hard work ethic that gets lasting results, NOT simply more and more juice (as so many kids think )

First of all not many people that aspire to become professionals want a body like needsize's. I am sorry but people will look at you 9/10 times and say whatever hes a juicehead. Its just so obvious. But if you wanted to get a cut body, say how you were in your pre-juice pictures, with only 1 year of work instead of 10 then AAS are the answer. If you want to win Mr. Olympia, wait to juice 10 years it will benefit you. If you just want quick gains that are sustainable go AAS much sooner.

On a second point, how complicated is juice really? You stick the shit in, aspirate, pull out... based on halflifes do it with certain frequency and then take pct to keep gains... its not that complicated. You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years... Some people would rather reach the "cut" or just a little "bigger" point now and be happy with it then look like a bodybuilder. Not everyone has your goals in mind so to say "you should wait til you hit your genetic limit" is just not accurate for everyone. What if people are completely satisfied not looking like juiceheads?

On a third point, yes it is more and more juice. Needsize hit a genetic limit or a plateau that lasted 3 years. What broke that plateau? Juice combined with hard work, but juice nonetheless. Kids are accurate in saying it is gear that allows him to be that huge. Sure you have to combine hardwork with gear but take AAS out of the equation and you soon realize yes it was the gear. Hardwork and discipline only go so far...
 
Hey need, I wonder if you can post your leg regimine? My upper body just grows in my sleep but my legs while strong really are not getting as big as I would prefer. Your wheels ROCK man, great size and definition. Helps us little guys out man!

and before you ask yes I am doing ATF squats as well as extensions and hammies and deads. :)
 
Jenetix said:
First of all not many people that aspire to become professionals want a body like needsize's. I am sorry but people will look at you 9/10 times and say whatever hes a juicehead. Its just so obvious. But if you wanted to get a cut body, say how you were in your pre-juice pictures, with only 1 year of work instead of 10 then AAS are the answer. If you want to win Mr. Olympia, wait to juice 10 years it will benefit you. If you just want quick gains that are sustainable go AAS much sooner.

On a second point, how complicated is juice really? You stick the shit in, aspirate, pull out... based on halflifes do it with certain frequency and then take pct to keep gains... its not that complicated. You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years... Some people would rather reach the "cut" or just a little "bigger" point now and be happy with it then look like a bodybuilder. Not everyone has your goals in mind so to say "you should wait til you hit your genetic limit" is just not accurate for everyone. What if people are completely satisfied not looking like juiceheads?

On a third point, yes it is more and more juice. Needsize hit a genetic limit or a plateau that lasted 3 years. What broke that plateau? Juice combined with hard work, but juice nonetheless. Kids are accurate in saying it is gear that allows him to be that huge. Sure you have to combine hardwork with gear but take AAS out of the equation and you soon realize yes it was the gear. Hardwork and discipline only go so far...


I agree with some things you said in this post like:
You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years

However, I think that the way that NeedSize achieved his gains is the ideal way. 10 years of dedication and hardwork, only then did he decide that he would get the max benifit from AAS. All of his pics where very impressive and inspirational. I only lifted for around a year and a half before I did my first cycle at 20, I don't regret starting when I did, but I know that if I was more patient I would have better results in the long run.
 
Jenetix said:
First of all not many people that aspire to become professionals want a body like needsize's. I am sorry but people will look at you 9/10 times and say whatever hes a juicehead. Its just so obvious. But if you wanted to get a cut body, say how you were in your pre-juice pictures, with only 1 year of work instead of 10 then AAS are the answer. If you want to win Mr. Olympia, wait to juice 10 years it will benefit you. If you just want quick gains that are sustainable go AAS much sooner.

On a second point, how complicated is juice really? You stick the shit in, aspirate, pull out... based on halflifes do it with certain frequency and then take pct to keep gains... its not that complicated. You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years... Some people would rather reach the "cut" or just a little "bigger" point now and be happy with it then look like a bodybuilder. Not everyone has your goals in mind so to say "you should wait til you hit your genetic limit" is just not accurate for everyone. What if people are completely satisfied not looking like juiceheads?

On a third point, yes it is more and more juice. Needsize hit a genetic limit or a plateau that lasted 3 years. What broke that plateau? Juice combined with hard work, but juice nonetheless. Kids are accurate in saying it is gear that allows him to be that huge. Sure you have to combine hardwork with gear but take AAS out of the equation and you soon realize yes it was the gear. Hardwork and discipline only go so far...

Hardwork and discipline only go so far! True but the problem is alot of people don't even hit there natural plateau and never will once they start juicing, or maybe i should say they'll never know what is there natural potential cause every year when they come back from the winter layoff they start juicing again. When these guys say wait i tend to agree!
 
Lookin massive. Your not hogging the floor. It is good to see pics and progress. If you can get a peak on that biceps you will be a giant killer. Keep us posted on your contest and good luck..
 
Dial_tone said:
After 2 years I've come to abhor that phrase. It's as if people think you can just drive by the gym and gain 10-12 lbs. Anytime a guy shows decent progress without using a ton of juice people are too quick to throw out the 'great genetics' line as if that explains the results more accurately than hard work. I'd bet most anyone here could gain 15 lbs naturally eating and training as hard as neednomoresize does. Give the guy some credit and leave the genetics excuse at home once in a while, guys.

I completely agree. I put hard work and dedication ahead of genetics. A lot of people don't work very hard in the gym, but then explain it away with poor genetics.

Great Job NS!!!!
 
Dial_tone said:
After 2 years I've come to abhor that phrase. It's as if people think you can just drive by the gym and gain 10-12 lbs. Anytime a guy shows decent progress without using a ton of juice people are too quick to throw out the 'great genetics' line as if that explains the results more accurately than hard work. I'd bet most anyone here could gain 15 lbs naturally eating and training as hard as neednomoresize does. Give the guy some credit and leave the genetics excuse at home once in a while, guys.
I agree they missed the part where he said he trained natty for a decade or so.
Most kids jump on the sauce from day one on these boards.
Great pics Props.
 
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