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needsize

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I've had a lot of request for pics from before I juiced, and ones from my first cycle, so here they are(With my diet pics up, feel like I'm hogging this forum...)

Anyway, here are two from just before my first cycle, 4 years ago

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and these were after my first cycle, 500mg test for 8 weeks, 30mg dbol for first 4 weeks

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oct21-01-wholebody.jpg
 
thanks guys
I was around 180lbs(5'8") in the pre juice ones(that took 10 goddamn years of training to get there from 120lbs)
post cycle ones I was around 208lbs, stayed at 202lbs post cycle. Currently 232lbs at a similar level of bf to the post cycle ones(see my diet update pics that I just posted)
 
needsize said:
thanks guys
I was around 180lbs(5'8") in the pre juice ones(that took 10 goddamn years of training to get there from 120lbs)
post cycle ones I was around 208lbs, stayed at 202lbs post cycle. Currently 232lbs at a similar level of bf to the post cycle ones(see my diet update pics that I just posted)
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What level are you competing at now????? Let me guess, NPC!

LOL!!!!
 
thanks guys, genetics for muscle shape are good, but for gaining mass they suck huge ass!! I was patient, and looked decent after all those years, but thats a lot of time to get where I was. I am glad I waited to juice(maybe 3 less years would have been good as a totally plateaued for those last three), as after one cycle I looked like I had done a lot more, and understood my body really well. Thats why I definitely advocate waiting until you at least have a good base, the results are that much better when you do

stryker, I have to go back and get my level one again, and then hopefully hit a level two around the same time. that would qualify me for the ontarios, so I would then take some time with my trainer(she is the best), and bring up everything and add a lot more mass for that level and above
 
Needsize,
Its nice to see someone who took the time to get as far as you did before they started AAS. You obviously put in a lot of hard work and dedication!
Karma!
 
Pics aren't showing up for me.

But I have a ton of respect for you needsize. It's nice to see someone wait and gain naturally, rather than jumping on AAS in a year or less of training.

And your first cycle is perfect....500mg test 1-9, 30mg dbol 1-4.
 
Little Boy said:
Pics aren't showing up for me.

But I have a ton of respect for you needsize. It's nice to see someone wait and gain naturally, rather than jumping on AAS in a year or less of training.

And your first cycle is perfect....500mg test 1-9, 30mg dbol 1-4.
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thanks, here is one of the prejuice pics
 
You kill me NS......I do not think I could juice year around and look as good as you do....Although we do have very similar structure in the leg dept....When I'm on my legs also get up to about 29ish, or maybe slightly under{but I'm 5'9 lol.....so yours are still bigger}....Upperbody plays hell keeping up though.

I have been off for a year or so..........Hoping when I get back on that things will drastically change.

Thanks for the inspiration NS..........You have a great physique and a great attitude to boot.

Good luck my brotha.
 
good job you friggin freak!!! :D

nice to see you learned how to eat and train before hitting the poison (and it showed on the results), i was only 15 when i was tricked to start juicing by the dealers who wanted cash, too bad i had no internet back then a decade ago...
 
muscleup said:
Great genetics
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After 2 years I've come to abhor that phrase. It's as if people think you can just drive by the gym and gain 10-12 lbs. Anytime a guy shows decent progress without using a ton of juice people are too quick to throw out the 'great genetics' line as if that explains the results more accurately than hard work. I'd bet most anyone here could gain 15 lbs naturally eating and training as hard as neednomoresize does. Give the guy some credit and leave the genetics excuse at home once in a while, guys.
 
You might not have good genetics to gain mass bro but god gave you a good head start.So in the end you still made out.You were pretty fucking jacked when you started.I am 180 at 5'6" and think you looked bigger than me at that weight.
 
needsize said:
I was patient, and looked decent after all those years, but thats a lot of time to get where I was. I am glad I waited to juice(maybe 3 less years would have been good as a totally plateaued for those last three), as after one cycle I looked like I had done a lot more, and understood my body really well. Thats why I definitely advocate waiting until you at least have a good base, the results are that much better when you do
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This is what I have been saying for a long time here, but with steroids SO EASY to come by now you almost have what I would consider an "epidemic" of young undereducated "kids" taking them who have NO BUSINESS using them :(.
I predict that will only get worse :(

Its hard work ethic that gets lasting results, NOT simply more and more juice :o (as so many kids think :rolleyes: )
 
JKurz1 said:
Screw the juice..........thats not even a fraction of it........what was your diet and training like?
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I tried every diet and training approach I could find, and then started making them up(ie my 5x5). Basic approaches with lots of compound exercises are what did the most for me
 
Dang....The pics aren't coming up for me. The one pic in post #14 is, but the others are not for me.

BMJ
 
needsize said:
I've had a lot of request for pics from before I juiced, and ones from my first cycle, so here they are(With my diet pics up, feel like I'm hogging this forum...)

Anyway, here are two from just before my first cycle, 4 years ago

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and these were after my first cycle, 500mg test for 8 weeks, 30mg dbol for first 4 weeks

oct21-01-sidesmall.jpg


oct21-01-wholebody.jpg
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incredible
 
thanks guys, I guess I have made good progress, especially since 120lbs, but somedays I still look in the mirror and feel like I did when I started
 
needsize said:
thanks guys, I guess I have made good progress, especially since 120lbs, but somedays I still look in the mirror and feel like I did when I started
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That will only keep you hungry and help your drive harder......Great job!
 
Damn dude, you had to go and say that didnt you. I was fat my whole life till 3 years ago. I still see a fat guy in the mirror no matter what. It sucks.
 
This is what I have been saying for a long time here, but with steroids SO EASY to come by now you almost have what I would consider an "epidemic" of young undereducated "kids" taking them who have NO BUSINESS using them .
I predict that will only get worse

Its hard work ethic that gets lasting results, NOT simply more and more juice (as so many kids think )
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First of all not many people that aspire to become professionals want a body like needsize's. I am sorry but people will look at you 9/10 times and say whatever hes a juicehead. Its just so obvious. But if you wanted to get a cut body, say how you were in your pre-juice pictures, with only 1 year of work instead of 10 then AAS are the answer. If you want to win Mr. Olympia, wait to juice 10 years it will benefit you. If you just want quick gains that are sustainable go AAS much sooner.

On a second point, how complicated is juice really? You stick the shit in, aspirate, pull out... based on halflifes do it with certain frequency and then take pct to keep gains... its not that complicated. You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years... Some people would rather reach the "cut" or just a little "bigger" point now and be happy with it then look like a bodybuilder. Not everyone has your goals in mind so to say "you should wait til you hit your genetic limit" is just not accurate for everyone. What if people are completely satisfied not looking like juiceheads?

On a third point, yes it is more and more juice. Needsize hit a genetic limit or a plateau that lasted 3 years. What broke that plateau? Juice combined with hard work, but juice nonetheless. Kids are accurate in saying it is gear that allows him to be that huge. Sure you have to combine hardwork with gear but take AAS out of the equation and you soon realize yes it was the gear. Hardwork and discipline only go so far...
 
Hey need, I wonder if you can post your leg regimine? My upper body just grows in my sleep but my legs while strong really are not getting as big as I would prefer. Your wheels ROCK man, great size and definition. Helps us little guys out man!

and before you ask yes I am doing ATF squats as well as extensions and hammies and deads. :)
 
Jenetix said:
First of all not many people that aspire to become professionals want a body like needsize's. I am sorry but people will look at you 9/10 times and say whatever hes a juicehead. Its just so obvious. But if you wanted to get a cut body, say how you were in your pre-juice pictures, with only 1 year of work instead of 10 then AAS are the answer. If you want to win Mr. Olympia, wait to juice 10 years it will benefit you. If you just want quick gains that are sustainable go AAS much sooner.

On a second point, how complicated is juice really? You stick the shit in, aspirate, pull out... based on halflifes do it with certain frequency and then take pct to keep gains... its not that complicated. You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years... Some people would rather reach the "cut" or just a little "bigger" point now and be happy with it then look like a bodybuilder. Not everyone has your goals in mind so to say "you should wait til you hit your genetic limit" is just not accurate for everyone. What if people are completely satisfied not looking like juiceheads?

On a third point, yes it is more and more juice. Needsize hit a genetic limit or a plateau that lasted 3 years. What broke that plateau? Juice combined with hard work, but juice nonetheless. Kids are accurate in saying it is gear that allows him to be that huge. Sure you have to combine hardwork with gear but take AAS out of the equation and you soon realize yes it was the gear. Hardwork and discipline only go so far...
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I agree with some things you said in this post like:
You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years

However, I think that the way that NeedSize achieved his gains is the ideal way. 10 years of dedication and hardwork, only then did he decide that he would get the max benifit from AAS. All of his pics where very impressive and inspirational. I only lifted for around a year and a half before I did my first cycle at 20, I don't regret starting when I did, but I know that if I was more patient I would have better results in the long run.
 
Jenetix said:
First of all not many people that aspire to become professionals want a body like needsize's. I am sorry but people will look at you 9/10 times and say whatever hes a juicehead. Its just so obvious. But if you wanted to get a cut body, say how you were in your pre-juice pictures, with only 1 year of work instead of 10 then AAS are the answer. If you want to win Mr. Olympia, wait to juice 10 years it will benefit you. If you just want quick gains that are sustainable go AAS much sooner.

On a second point, how complicated is juice really? You stick the shit in, aspirate, pull out... based on halflifes do it with certain frequency and then take pct to keep gains... its not that complicated. You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years... Some people would rather reach the "cut" or just a little "bigger" point now and be happy with it then look like a bodybuilder. Not everyone has your goals in mind so to say "you should wait til you hit your genetic limit" is just not accurate for everyone. What if people are completely satisfied not looking like juiceheads?

On a third point, yes it is more and more juice. Needsize hit a genetic limit or a plateau that lasted 3 years. What broke that plateau? Juice combined with hard work, but juice nonetheless. Kids are accurate in saying it is gear that allows him to be that huge. Sure you have to combine hardwork with gear but take AAS out of the equation and you soon realize yes it was the gear. Hardwork and discipline only go so far...
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Hardwork and discipline only go so far! True but the problem is alot of people don't even hit there natural plateau and never will once they start juicing, or maybe i should say they'll never know what is there natural potential cause every year when they come back from the winter layoff they start juicing again. When these guys say wait i tend to agree!
 
Lookin massive. Your not hogging the floor. It is good to see pics and progress. If you can get a peak on that biceps you will be a giant killer. Keep us posted on your contest and good luck..
 
Dial_tone said:
After 2 years I've come to abhor that phrase. It's as if people think you can just drive by the gym and gain 10-12 lbs. Anytime a guy shows decent progress without using a ton of juice people are too quick to throw out the 'great genetics' line as if that explains the results more accurately than hard work. I'd bet most anyone here could gain 15 lbs naturally eating and training as hard as neednomoresize does. Give the guy some credit and leave the genetics excuse at home once in a while, guys.
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I completely agree. I put hard work and dedication ahead of genetics. A lot of people don't work very hard in the gym, but then explain it away with poor genetics.

Great Job NS!!!!
 
Dial_tone said:
After 2 years I've come to abhor that phrase. It's as if people think you can just drive by the gym and gain 10-12 lbs. Anytime a guy shows decent progress without using a ton of juice people are too quick to throw out the 'great genetics' line as if that explains the results more accurately than hard work. I'd bet most anyone here could gain 15 lbs naturally eating and training as hard as neednomoresize does. Give the guy some credit and leave the genetics excuse at home once in a while, guys.
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I agree they missed the part where he said he trained natty for a decade or so.
Most kids jump on the sauce from day one on these boards.
Great pics Props.
 
Jenetix said:
First of all not many people that aspire to become professionals want a body like needsize's.

agreed.

Its just so obvious. But if you wanted to get a cut body, say how you were in your pre-juice pictures, with only 1 year of work instead of 10 then AAS are the answer. If you want to win Mr. Olympia, wait to juice 10 years it will benefit you. If you just want quick gains that are sustainable go AAS much sooner.

I think the point here is that this is attainable without juice (just look at NS' before pics)... so why would you go ahead and risk your health to acheive it??? well that's simple... people are lazy and not willing to the work needed to do it. so they take the easy way out....to each his own but IMO, I have no respect for the person that does this.

For me, a big part of training is also the spiritual part... I'm not religious but something about going to the gym and training balls to the wall, planning and preparing my meals... if you're not doing this and just inject a gram or two a week to get the same results you're missing out on the best part of the lifestyle.

and finally... i have so much respect for Needsize for what he's attained both before and after juice... and I think that's a huge part of the game: the respect you command walking around with a body like that
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I have never seen anyone person so freakishly massive and he's also pretty cut. This type person is a rare phenomenom for me, i'll never see anyone like this at the gym, mall, etc. Thats alot of hard work man, congradulations on your accomplishments.MASSIVE BRO
 
I think the point here is that this is attainable without juice (just look at NS' before pics)... so why would you go ahead and risk your health to acheive it??? well that's simple... people are lazy and not willing to the work needed to do it. so they take the easy way out....to each his own but IMO, I have no respect for the person that does this.
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The point is if you want to look like that at age 20 AAS makes it possible without having to wait until you are 28... Yes people are lazy and yes people want results NOW, not 10 years from now...

Where are you from peercheck...? There are atleast 20 guys in my gym with physiques like that... get off this guys dick man... hes 5'8" 240? not that huge...
 
needsize said:
thanks guys, I guess I have made good progress, especially since 120lbs, but somedays I still look in the mirror and feel like I did when I started
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I always feel like that. I sware Im the smallest 290lb guy under 12% b.f on the planet! :rolleyes:

Your lookin great bro! Keep up the fight Id say your headed for great things.
 
Jenetix said:
The point is if you want to look like that at age 20 AAS makes it possible without having to wait until you are 28... Yes people are lazy and yes people want results NOW, not 10 years from now...

Where are you from peercheck...? There are atleast 20 guys in my gym with physiques like that... get off this guys dick man... hes 5'8" 240? not that huge...
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of course there are.....I bet they all bench over 400lbs for reps too, just like everyone on the internet
 
thanks man, seeing before pics are always helpful. You were huge before you juiced!

what happened to the hair!! ;)
 
Jenetix said:
The point is if you want to look like that at age 20 AAS makes it possible without having to wait until you are 28... Yes people are lazy and yes people want results NOW, not 10 years from now...

Where are you from peercheck...? There are atleast 20 guys in my gym with physiques like that... get off this guys dick man... hes 5'8" 240? not that huge...
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....and let me guess...your one of those 20 :rolleyes: oh and you are??? point is ....needsize is an inspiration to most....so if the other bro is amazed by needsize then it might inspire him in the gym...who the F@#$ are you to knock that...
 
Those guys warm up with 405 bro.. their worksets are with 700. And they've only been training for a couple of months, and they only do a little winny.

Of course, no-one wants to look like that - the kids on here doing stupid cycles and posting dumb questions all the time only want to 'shape up' and 'tone'. No way are they making excuses for not looking like they juice.

See, if anyone lived this shit for 10 years and gave it everything then they'd have 'great genetics' too... I feel bad for not maxing out my natural potential after seeing those.
 
Lestat said:
thanks man, seeing before pics are always helpful. You were huge before you juiced!

what happened to the hair!! ;)
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it started going in early 20s thanks to a cycle of winny that I didnt even finish because it was coming out so fast, the pic with the hair was my wedding day, I shaved it a few days into the honeymoon, I just wanted to make my wife happy by looking decent in the wedding pics

and thanks to everyone, it feels really weird to be an inspiration to anyone as I still feel small when I look in a mirror, I have to keep going back to my own pics to tell myself I am not that small
 
Jenetix said:
The point is if you want to look like that at age 20 AAS makes it possible without having to wait until you are 28... Yes people are lazy and yes people want results NOW, not 10 years from now...

Where are you from peercheck...? There are atleast 20 guys in my gym with physiques like that... get off this guys dick man... hes 5'8" 240? not that huge...
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Little Boy said:
Impressive!

What were your prejuice measurements?

And how was the strength on squats/bench/deadlift before the sauce?
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I just saw this question
Best I remember, arms were about 16 1/4 when those pics were taken(prejuice ones), they had been bigger but not when I was that lean, and I was around 180-185lbs
lifts, for singles, 525lbs on the dead, 425lbs on the squat, and around 315lbs for a single on the bench
 
Needsize is the man. Nothing in life comes easy - it takes a lot of hard work and dedication. Some idiots think that hard work comes in a syringe. NS proves all of them wrong.
 
Jenetix said:
The point is if you want to look like that at age 20 AAS makes it possible without having to wait until you are 28... Yes people are lazy and yes people want results NOW, not 10 years from now...
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hmmm...you're absolutely correct. They're also the guys who have their prostates removed by the time they're 24...
Guessing by the quality of this and your other 22 posts I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that this "laziness" describes you perfectly. Shitty part is you can look all over this board and witness tons of people using insane amounts of juice and still look like shit because of opinions just like yours. My gym is packed full of punks like you who ask me for a source... and I love the look on their face when I tell them I have never juiced... I laugh right in their face. The fact that they think someone with my shitty physique is juicing makes me sick.
Sorry for the rant but I'm in a shitty mood today because I just found out this guy I work with is on his 2nd week of a dbol only cycle... he looks like a fucking bloated toad that has never lifted a weight in his life and your post just made me think of him...

It makes me upset...but to each his own i guess...so i'll shut up about it now.
VW
 
peerchek said:
how do you find jeans to fit those tree trunks?
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I'm up to size 38 relaxed fit, even though they are generally way too big for my waist

detroitbodybuildertigers, very funny but true...
 
needsize said:
I'm up to size 38 relaxed fit, even though they are generally way too big for my waist

detroitbodybuildertigers, very funny but true...
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lol that sux bro and what is your waist like a 34 when lean?
 
gymratforlife said:
lol that sux bro and what is your waist like a 34 when lean?
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depends on what you consider lean, its around 35" right now, but I'm not lean, it was just under 30" on stage last time
 
needsize said:
I'm up to size 38 relaxed fit, even though they are generally way too big for my waist

detroitbodybuildertigers, very funny but true...
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Bro, my buddy who is generally 5'10" 265 off season will compete with a 29" waist and each quad is 29" too....He usually wears 34-36" pants and (my whole point of this post)--the 34-36" pants that he wears--he simply splits the side seams from above the knee to above the sweep of his quad---people can never notice unless they pulled open the sides of his jeans----

Just a little tip/trick----if you GET SO FREAKIN SICK OF PANTS BEING HUGE AROUND YOUR WAIST --- I know he hated that!!!!!!
 
Jenetix said:
First of all not many people that aspire to become professionals want a body like needsize's. I am sorry but people will look at you 9/10 times and say whatever hes a juicehead. Its just so obvious. But if you wanted to get a cut body, say how you were in your pre-juice pictures, with only 1 year of work instead of 10 then AAS are the answer. If you want to win Mr. Olympia, wait to juice 10 years it will benefit you. If you just want quick gains that are sustainable go AAS much sooner.

On a second point, how complicated is juice really? You stick the shit in, aspirate, pull out... based on halflifes do it with certain frequency and then take pct to keep gains... its not that complicated. You eat hard, train hard, sleep hard and juice hard for 2 months you will make unbelievable gains that would have taken years... Some people would rather reach the "cut" or just a little "bigger" point now and be happy with it then look like a bodybuilder. Not everyone has your goals in mind so to say "you should wait til you hit your genetic limit" is just not accurate for everyone. What if people are completely satisfied not looking like juiceheads?

On a third point, yes it is more and more juice. Needsize hit a genetic limit or a plateau that lasted 3 years. What broke that plateau? Juice combined with hard work, but juice nonetheless. Kids are accurate in saying it is gear that allows him to be that huge. Sure you have to combine hardwork with gear but take AAS out of the equation and you soon realize yes it was the gear. Hardwork and discipline only go so far...
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I think you are missing out on a VERY IMPORTANT aspect though...If one doesnt achieve it naturally they probably WONT keep it once they come off :o

Try pushing hard work ethic and dedication instead of advocating steroids to newbies :o
 
Needsize, GREAT WORK! Definitely representing all of us at ef with those pics. At what age did you start lifting? When did you start realizing you were alot bigger than the general population. People say I'm getting bigger, but I look in the mirror and feel I havent changed at all...its fuckin weird.

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF HARD WORK, PEOPLE
 
needsize said:
thanks guys, genetics for muscle shape are good, but for gaining mass they suck huge ass!! I was patient, and looked decent after all those years, but thats a lot of time to get where I was. I am glad I waited to juice(maybe 3 less years would have been good as a totally plateaued for those last three), as after one cycle I looked like I had done a lot more, and understood my body really well. Thats why I definitely advocate waiting until you at least have a good base, the results are that much better when you do

stryker, I have to go back and get my level one again, and then hopefully hit a level two around the same time. that would qualify me for the ontarios, so I would then take some time with my trainer(she is the best), and bring up everything and add a lot more mass for that level and above
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when you say you plateued for the last 3, were you still gaining strength, just not mass, or all gains completely stopped?
 
Dial_tone said:
After 2 years I've come to abhor that phrase. It's as if people think you can just drive by the gym and gain 10-12 lbs. Anytime a guy shows decent progress without using a ton of juice people are too quick to throw out the 'great genetics' line as if that explains the results more accurately than hard work. I'd bet most anyone here could gain 15 lbs naturally eating and training as hard as neednomoresize does. Give the guy some credit and leave the genetics excuse at home once in a while, guys.
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Completely agreed. I too feel the same way about that shit. Good to see someone whos worked fucking hard to get there. Most people you see training, jump on the juice immediately. Ive been at it going on 11 years and still havent hit the juice. You dont see it often, so therefore people believe its impossible. Takes a shitload of persistance and work. My genetics are good for shape, but thats it. I gain EXTREMELY slow myself. I lose muscle very quickly and gaining it back is also a LONG process. KEEP KILLING THAT SHIT!!
 
SublimeZM said:
when you say you plateued for the last 3, were you still gaining strength, just not mass, or all gains completely stopped?
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everything stopped, in fact my strength actually started to go backwards
 
That's a kick ass change from then to now bro! I remember when you first started posting, it was about the same time I joined up. Very impressive! I was on my way to serious growth until I had to come off of everything, been off for over 1.5yrs now so we can try to have a kid. I've been saving my pennies though & once the bun's in the oven, it's back on! :evil:
 
Tweakle said:
Those guys warm up with 405 bro.. their worksets are with 700. And they've only been training for a couple of months, and they only do a little winny.

Of course, no-one wants to look like that - the kids on here doing stupid cycles and posting dumb questions all the time only want to 'shape up' and 'tone'. No way are they making excuses for not looking like they juice.

See, if anyone lived this shit for 10 years and gave it everything then they'd have 'great genetics' too... I feel bad for not maxing out my natural potential after seeing those.
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I think a lot of them just settle for a little 'whiney'.

I think the main aspect of waiting is not so much that you work to achieve your genetic potential but that you learn over time how to work to get results. From that point onwards you are able to work to maximize gains on all fronts: diet, gym, juice. I think a lot of premature juicers have an inkling of diet and gym and rely for the rest on the sauce. You, Needsize, WalkingBeast and a handful of others on here clearly know how to work your bodies so that juice isn't a crutch that you're helpless without; it's just another part of the overall equation. Of course, WB hasn't even factored it in yet.

As for how long to wait: for most people, I'd say hang on until your andropause.
 
I have put off the sauce for over 15 years mainly because I never want to lose what it gives me. I have waited so long now I dont see the point. I dont compete and I guess I think I still can get bigger naturally.

The sad thing is with so much talk of steroids to most people anyone with any size is already stereotyped as a juicer. You get mixed feelings, do you take it as a compliment or not.
 
supertech69 said:
That's a kick ass change from then to now bro! I remember when you first started posting, it was about the same time I joined up. Very impressive! I was on my way to serious growth until I had to come off of everything, been off for over 1.5yrs now so we can try to have a kid. I've been saving my pennies though & once the bun's in the oven, it's back on! :evil:
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Impressive shit indeed! This is the type of thing I have respect for. Rarely seen these days.
 
Blut Wump said:
I think a lot of them just settle for a little 'whiney'.

I think the main aspect of waiting is not so much that you work to achieve your genetic potential but that you learn over time how to work to get results. From that point onwards you are able to work to maximize gains on all fronts: diet, gym, juice. I think a lot of premature juicers have an inkling of diet and gym and rely for the rest on the sauce. You, Needsize, WalkingBeast and a handful of others on here clearly know how to work your bodies so that juice isn't a crutch that you're helpless without; it's just another part of the overall equation. Of course, WB hasn't even factored it in yet.

As for how long to wait: for most people, I'd say hang on until your andropause.
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Much appreciated! ThanX brother!! I cant say I havent given it alot of thought, and things have been brutal at times, especially now, but Ive restrained myself for the most part so far. The closest things Ive done to real AAS is M1T which could be purchased legally at the time and at very low dosages (5-10mg). Also I did one "cycle" when I was 19. If it could be called that. It was one amp of omnadren 250 a week. I got it for free, no idea if it was real. The dose was so low I actually lowered my natural test levels for a LONG time and made no gains. So I dont really count that. I did that for 6 weeks. I had purchased some d-bol once, only 25 tabs, and flushed them in the end. So Ive never went through with any type of legitimate cycle. Ive even flushed some prohormones. Ive tried to hold out and really max out my natural potential. When my arms hit 19" I was beginning to feel somewhat content with my progress and felt 20" arms and 50+" chest natural was becoming very achievable. Diet being my biggest weakness. Eating enough. Training intensity got to a point where it was a way of life and I enjoyed pushing myself to the limits. Crushing disks and tearing myself apart at any cost. Intensity isnt my problem. If anything Im too intense in my training. Id rather go out like that then dwell on what I couldve done differently. Growth doesnt come easy with me, so Ill KILL THAT SHIT until it responds. Consistently. I think most people who train naturally give up on it early. I try to look towards the future and not see myself in the present. Keeps me motivated in my training. KILL ALL THAT SHIT!!
 
i am probably gonna get in trouble for this, but i think needsize looks better natural than all juiced up. good to know if you go back to natural you will still look good.
 
needsize said:
thanks guys
I was around 180lbs(5'8") in the pre juice ones(that took 10 goddamn years of training to get there from 120lbs)
post cycle ones I was around 208lbs, stayed at 202lbs post cycle. Currently 232lbs at a similar level of bf to the post cycle ones(see my diet update pics that I just posted)
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Great work bro - looking really good there before and after!
 
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