Oral AAS before a workout.

[JibbyJabba]

DBol doesn't convert to test.
If you take it, blood level of methandrostenolone & its metabolites will increase, test will actually go down...
You really shouldn't rely on those profiles bro...

I'm not relying on a drug profile... never did I say that I consider a profile proof.

What you say about Methandro increasing is obvious and was assumed by me...

Please elaborate why ingestion of Dbol cannot lead to a short-term raise in endogenous testosterone.

 

[Juice Authority]

Are you sure you're not a woman? Always twisting shit around.

I never said I had some sort of definitive proof as to whether or not this is true... never didi I calim a drug profile to be any sort of proof. You have a major problem with reading into things and not reading exactly what people write.

I just took issue when you made it seem like Nelson was saying something about Dbol that was completely new and foreign - I have heard/read this about Dbol many times. Given that it pops up so much that it is almost common knowledge, the burden to prove otherwise lies upon you. You claim you have seen studies that conclusively prove that, upon ingestion, Dbol lowers serum levels of testosterone. Ok... post them... I have no reason to believe you over Nelson until you do so.

JJ

WTF? Did you somehow take what I said as a flame?? Relax Bro. I'll find that studies I was referring to. They're around here somewhere.

 

[hhajdo]

DBol is not a testosterone prohormone.

 

[JibbyJabba]

DBol is not a testosterone prohormone.

Oh Good Lord... I think you are missing the point. I know Dbol is not a prohormone.

Why do I have to keep saying this? Maybe I am being unclear.

You claim, that upon ingesting Dbol, your serum levels of testosterone will be lowered. OK...fine... Is this just a matter of purely deductive reasoning (like 2+2 = 4) and therefore proves to be an irrefutable maxim that is to be unquestioned? No... it flies in the face of what many people think... what Nelson thinks... therefore, you have the burden of proving your claim. Merely stating it over and over again doesn't suffice. Prove to me, either via study, or explanation of the mechanisms involved (which I guarantee I am probably ignorant of), that what you say holds any merit. C'mon bro... you're the study man...lots of studies... badass studies... bust one out. That is all I am asking... I know Dbol is not a prohormone and If you re-read what I wrote it was merely an analogy.

 

[hhajdo]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=61389&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=793272&dopt=Abstract

 

[ReallyHighIntensity]

nice read

 

[Juice Authority]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=61389&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=793272&dopt=Abstract

Nice hhajdo. That should shut JibbyJabba up for a while.

"On the drug, plasma-cortisol concentration and urinary cortisol excretion increased, and plasma-testosterone decreased."

 

[JibbyJabba]

Nice hhajdo. That should shut JibbyJabba up for a while.

"On the drug, plasma-cortisol concentration and urinary cortisol excretion increased, and plasma-testosterone decreased."

Juice Authority, you really couldn't be less of an authority on juice.

DID YOU EVEN READ THAT FUCKING STUDY?

It was based upon the effects of Dbol administered at 100mgs a day for 6 weeks... IF YOU COULD JUST FUCKING READ... you would see that I never doubted that this would lead to an OVERALL reduction in plasma testosterone. I KNOW THIS!!! Using Dbol at 100mgs a day for 6 weeks will lead to an overall decrease in plasma testosterone... I NEVER SAID IT WOULDN"T!!!! PAY FUCKING ATTENTION!!!!

I supported Nelson's claim that, in the FEW HOURS after ingestion of Dbol, one experiences an increase in plasma testosterone (albeit short-lived)... NEITHER OF THESE STUDIES REFUTES THIS. READ IT!!! They both suggest that Dbol will impair HPTA function...where did I disagree with this? I am claiming something very different than what you are trying to prove... FUCKING READ WHAT I SAID...

Also... did you notice that that study found that "Strength and performance improved over each training period, but not significantly differently on drug and placebo" ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The strength of people who took 100mgs of Dbol for 6 weeks didn't increase, relative to those who took fucking sugar pills? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!

The other study was based completely on people after they had taken 15mgs of Dbol a day for 2 months... NOT RELEVANT TO THE CLAIM I AM MAKING!!! NOT AT ALL!!! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

Show me a fucking study that refutes what Nelson said... Show me a study that says that, WITHIN A FEW HOURS of ingesting Dianabol, one's testosterone levels decreases, rather than increases... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE prove to me that you can read!!! READ WHAT I AM SAYING BEFORE YOU RESPOND, AGAIN, TO SOMETHING I DIDN"T SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Juice Authority]

LOL! You crack me up Bro.

 

[JibbyJabba]

LOL! You crack me up Bro.

Good response bro...

I can see how you drove Nelson to near madness.