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OK, lets talk about suicide.

myway

myway

Banned
JFN2 is at my house. We are having another one of those "special" conversations(yea, Ariel would fit in GREAT around my peeps).
I was in a gazillibilliMADDmillionKELVINdegreeO'tons of psych classes in high school and college,usually all honors classes.
JFN2 is just WAY smarter than me, I mean, just a natural brainiac.
We are having a debate about WHY people kill themselves.
We aren't talkin depression, hopelessness, sudden loss, sudden life changes(because PLENTY of people deal without that stuff and DON'T die from suicide).
But WHAT is the common factor?
Ok, lets go.
BTW- nice size k awards for for ef'ers posting insightful stuff.... and stuff.
Discuss.............
 
Depression is a symptom of living within a bottled city.
Suicide is a symptom of living without pity.
 
pretty simple.

it's escape.
more often people who commit suicide make their problems to be bigger than they are. people who commit suicide are egocentric and self centered in the moment. they feel they can not deal with the problems they are facing or that they will be more scary/hurtful than dying. its their distorted perception ( the perceived degree of difficulty of the issues they face) that ultimately lead to them taking their own life.
 
Some commit suicide that their whole lives were very introverted, and they weren't outgoing in the least. Yet they secretly wanted to be such. So what other way could they achieve that kind of image by others than to prove to everyone once and forever that they are that person within their tiny bubble of a shell. They end their live and are instantly the center of conversation for a long time to come, and will remain a figure that is shrouded in conversation pieces at or during any social event /gathering. Being from then on known as anything BUT a quiet coward.(even though that is precisely what they ultimately would be)

Just a thought. K??
 
calveless wonder said:
pretty simple.

it's escape.
more often people who commit suicide make their problems to be bigger than they are. people who commit suicide are egocentric and self centered in the moment. they feel they can not deal with the problems they are facing or that they will be more scary/hurtful than dying. its their distorted perception ( the perceived degree of difficulty of the issues they face) that ultimately lead to them taking their own life.
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I kinda only halfway agree... but I kinda agree with some of it.
So, yea. I will give u some k..
 
UncleBee said:
Some commit suicide that their whole lives were very introverted, and they weren't outgoing in the least. Yet they secretly wanted to be such. So what other way could they achieve that kind of image by others than to prove to everyone once and forever that they are that person within their tiny bubble of a shell. They end their live and are instantly the center of conversation for a long time to come, and will remain a figure that is shrouded in conversation pieces at or during any social event /gathering. Being from then on known as anything BUT a quiet coward.(even though that is precisely what they ultimately would be)

Just a thought. K??
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Yea. U get k.
 
Why seek a common factor in the first place?
An early warning mechanism for potential suiciders down the road?

Hmm common factor which links all the different suiciders together..
negative emotions/feelings

A focus on themselves, and why their life is shit and not about what positives that they may have, or that they could GIVE to the world.
I would guess more poor people kill themselves in the industrialized world, than people from the slums in Brazil
 
I don't think there is a common factor. What about suicide bombers? They do it for political, social or religious reasons. Then there are cults like Jones Town. Brainwashed into suicide.
 
I'm currently considering suicide. I'm too tired right now to get into my reasons for wanting to do it and my reasons that I have not done it yet. I'll try to send you a PM about it tomorrow if I can get out of bed for more than 20 minutes.
 
If that is true bro, you need to be talking to someone besides an annonymous PM on EF, you need a confidant seriously.

Thanks MyWay, for the K. If I tell you that you are the cutest thing I've ever seen and I just want to squeeze you and give you a Care Bear hug could I get some more?

If not, can i get a hug?
 
emotional pain that wont go away. and no hope for things ever getting better

i think those would be the "out of the blue" suicides


and then there are people who do it spur of the moment when shit hits the fan for them. like caught up in a huge scandal, about to do hard time, and be disgraced in front of all their loved ones. and decide that life will never offer anything positive for them again


then there are psychoactive drug induced ones also. where people just lose all grasp of reality, freak out, and think their mind is gone forever.


so i think the common bond is no hope for things ever improving
 
Myway, suicide for some people appear to be the only way out of a situation. People with depression diagnosed and undiagnosed let things build up inside of them to the point where all hope seems futile. Suicide at this moment appears the only way out for these people due to the fact that they see no other viable solution to there worrys and problems. It a very complex situation when someone makes up there mind to commit suicide they are the calmest and at peace with themselves. I had a friend of mine that committed suicide and the weeks leading up to it , he went to the hospital and was admitted or kept under suicide watch by the dr. He returned home depressed and out of it basically, and then a few weeks later was loving life making amends with his family making future plans and a couple of days later he shot himself. Very sad indeed. I hope you do well on your test...
 
I knew a girl, her name was Ryan, killed herself on accident..... trying to pretend to kill herself to make her mom feel bad for not letting her go to a concert. She was 12. It was really sad.
I also had a call at work for an 11 year old boy who hung himself. The whole time I was on the call, I just kept thinking, "wtf would make an 11 year old boy KILL HIMSELF?!?". When we got there, he wasn't breathing and had a GCS of 3.
We had him breathing again by the time we got him to the hospital and he started walking again several months later. His name is Jacob. Now, he's in a foster home. But since he was only 11 when he first had a near-success suicide attempt, I'm betting he is gonna try again someday.
Its just sad.
 
Arabian said:
Myway, suicide for some people appear to be the only way out of a situation. People with depression diagnosed and undiagnosed let things build up inside of them to the point where all hope seems futile. Suicide at this moment appears the only way out for these people due to the fact that they see no other viable solution to there worrys and problems. It a very complex situation when someone makes up there mind to commit suicide they are the calmest and at peace with themselves. I had a friend of mine that committed suicide and the weeks leading up to it , he went to the hospital and was admitted or kept under suicide watch by the dr. He returned home depressed and out of it basically, and then a few weeks later was loving life making amends with his family making future plans and a couple of days later he shot himself. Very sad indeed. I hope you do well on your test...
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k for u, good bro.
 
LOL... the world of appearance is not reality.
Some enlightened, or those who are close to rising up, have to go through a path of great sorrow... that I could never, ever, ever bear in this or the next lifetime.
Now, some of them may be famous, some of them not famous... these 'evolved' individuals who have a cross to bear on their 'path'.
They are not weak... If by weak I mean confronting things you or I can not fathom, and inbetween 'worlds' that have to be kept to themselves...
This is not your APA... or NIMH... definition... but fuck them, they aren't wise, smart, but not wise. -Nor am I- either in that case.
So while You see just the 'appearance' not every suicide is so cut and dry.

In 1977, some viatnemese buddhists set themselves on fire to make a political statement. It is the cover of Rage Against the Machine... Album from years past.
This is not weakness, but self sacrifice to symbolize those who suffered at the hands of primitive power, tyranny, and ignorance.

We have the idea that suicide... is by the weak, and that is true in some cases... however, we do not know the Anguish, or situation they are in.
Far, far too quick to give one answer to degrees, depth, and the 'world' they find themselves in.
I don't think I could ever commit suicide, however I know better. I know that if I were put in a situation where the pain in conditional reality of shame, anguish, fear, sorrow, was too much bear... I would.

I hate suicide threads... however, this one has some merit.
 
-Ariel- said:
LOL... the world of appearance is not reality.
Some enlightened, or those who are close to rising up, have to go through a path of great sorrow... that I could never, ever, ever bear in this or the next lifetime.
Now, some of them may be famous, some of them not famous... these 'evolved' individuals who have a cross to bear on their 'path'.
They are not weak... If by weak I mean confronting things you or I can not fathom, and inbetween 'worlds' that have to be kept to themselves...
This is not your APA... or NIMH... definition... but fuck them, they aren't wise, smart, but not wise. -Nor am I- either in that case.
So while You see just the 'appearance' not every suicide is so cut and dry.

In 1977, some viatnemese buddhists set themselves on fire to make a political statement. It is the cover of Rage Against the Machine... Album from years past.
This is not weakness, but self sacrifice to symbolize those who suffered at the hands of primitive power, tyranny, and ignorance.

We have the idea that suicide... is by the weak, and that is true in some cases... however, we do not know the Anguish, or situation they are in.
Far, far too quick to give one answer to degrees, depth, and the 'world' they find themselves in.
I don't think I could ever commit suicide, however I know better. I know that if I were put in a situation where the pain in conditional reality of shame, anguish, fear, sorrow, was too much bear... I would.

I hate suicide threads... however, this one has some merit.
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Hmmmmm................................
Well, I don't even like u but I guess I'll give u some k.
J/K about tha no like u part but not tha k part:D
 
my basic theory is that, yes, some people plan it ahead of time, but for the most part i think it's done "spur of the moment". if it were possible to ask them afterwards whether or not they still think it was a good choice, i think most, if not all, would say DUH! NO!. of course, they on ON FIRE in HELL at this point, as the devil is shoving a pineapple up their ass....
 
jfn2 said:
my basic theory is that, yes, some people plan it ahead of time, but for the most part i think it's done "spur of the moment". if it were possible to ask them afterwards whether or not they still think it was a good choice, i think most, if not all, would say DUH! NO!. of course, they on ON FIRE in HELL at this point, as the devil is shoving a pineapple up their ass....
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dude.my.head.is.killin.me.
 
myway said:
dude.my.head.is.killin.me.
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it should. too many smarts in there. i have the same prollem. our only plan of attack is to kill as many brain cells as possible. it will ease the pain as we make some room.
 
jfn2 said:
it should. too many smarts in there. i have the same prollem. our only plan of attack is to kill as many brain cells as possible. it will ease the pain as we make some room.
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Good thinkin, as usual.:supercool
So, if we keep hangin out, it's just a matter of time before we can live somewhat comfortable lives.
 
Suicide hsa no sense because you will never completely know what the person was thinking, hoy can an adult kill themselves over something like losing a girlfriend and their job and people who have been in serius Trauma (rapes, murder attempts, car crashed, disfigurations, mutilations, etc) don't do it? there's no theory.... there's no reason... it can range from a tumor pressing against a impulse control region in the brain up to a person with no self conrtol who was babied and over protected by his parents.... so many reasons, theories and possiblities: religious, biological, cognitive, etc....
 
LOL at the cowardly act stuff. I find that interesting that people really think that way. Kinda callous if you ask me, which you didn't but I said it anyway. I don't want the K, please. But I will participate. In no way, shape, or form is there a simple reason. In some countries don't they burn themselves when they know certain things like they are dying of something to cleanse themselves? I will look that up and get back with you. But if it were true, would you call that suicide? Is a belief suicide? There are way too many factors in suicide that we just cannot understand or explain. It's the individual you have to look at. You just cannot look at it as suicide. We always have to label every little thing and go into great detail but in this area it will always be a failure. How do you study someone who is dead? You could do forensics (sp?). Sure. But that is after all is said and done.

It's a sad subject really, and I rate it up there with S.I.D.S. It's just something we cannot figure out.

Yeah, depression, WTF it's way beyond that. I would be a goner if that were the case.

Good luck though.
Walli
 
nangiggles said:
Suicide hsa no sense because you will never completely know what the person was thinking, hoy can an adult kill themselves over something like losing a girlfriend and their job and people who have been in serius Trauma (rapes, murder attempts, car crashed, disfigurations, mutilations, etc) don't do it? there's no theory.... there's no reason... it can range from a tumor pressing against a impulse control region in the brain up to a person with no self conrtol who was babied and over protected by his parents.... so many reasons, theories and possiblities: religious, biological, cognitive, etc....
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We were typing at the same time. I think we were, or I didn't read.
 
It seems to usually stem from a profound sense of hopelessness coupled with an irrational or distorted perception of reality. I also think a person would need to have a certain level of "emotional intensity". They would probably see the world as very black or white, all or nothing. I don't think most suicides imply cowardice or necessarily personal weakness. It is an extreme, obviously irrational, means of addressing a perceived threat. "Threat" may not even be the correct word. Although I am certain there are similarities between individual reasons for suicide, I would not always call suicide impulsive. It can be very deliberate and it can be calculated, otherwise, intelligent people could not or would not commit suicide. I would also be very wrong to say or even try to explain why an indvidual would choose to commit suicide. Right or wrong, irrational or not, without having been in that persons shoes at the time they made the decision, I may be able to be empathetic to a particular persons pain or plight but I certainly could not pass judgment as to the morality of their decision. For whatever reason, when some people kill themselves, I am sure they perceive that their justification for doing so is sound. I really do not like when people discuss suicide as if it suggests a lack of character, personal fortitude, or general failure in life.
 
myway said:
Good thinkin, as usual.:supercool
So, if we keep hangin out, it's just a matter of time before we can live somewhat comfortable lives.
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like him and i came to the conclusion of, while you were outta the room taking a dump.... dumb people seem to be happy all of the time. we wanna be like that. and, we have a plan for making that happen. are you in????
 
jfn2 said:
like him and i came to the conclusion of, while you were outta the room taking a dump.... dumb people seem to be happy all of the time. we wanna be like that. and, we have a plan for making that happen. are you in????
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lol@me "taking a dump". Maybe u are not quite remembering it correctly.... like maybe it was one of those 30,000,000 times I was sent to tha store for beer, chips, whatever else,lol.
Yea, I was majorly everyone's bish last night.
Sure dumb people seems happy. Ignorance is bliss.
 
myway said:
lol@me "taking a dump". Maybe u are not quite remembering it correctly.... like maybe it was one of those 30,000,000 times I was sent to tha store for beer, chips, whatever else,lol.
Yea, I was majorly everyone's bish last night.
Sure dumb people seems happy. Ignorance is bliss.
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oh yeah i forgot.... myway doesn't poop. yes, thank you for the beer/food runs. your bathroom just STUNK for no apparent reason. stinky.
 
myway said:
JFN2 is at my house. We are having another one of those "special" conversations(yea, Ariel would fit in GREAT around my peeps).
I was in a gazillibilliMADDmillionKELVINdegreeO'tons of psych classes in high school and college,usually all honors classes.
JFN2 is just WAY smarter than me, I mean, just a natural brainiac.
We are having a debate about WHY people kill themselves.
We aren't talkin depression, hopelessness, sudden loss, sudden life changes(because PLENTY of people deal without that stuff and DON'T die from suicide).
But WHAT is the common factor?
Ok, lets go.
BTW- nice size k awards for for ef'ers posting insightful stuff.... and stuff.
Discuss.............
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id say the most common denominator for people who purposefully take their life (im not talking about people who take a bunch of pills or cut themselves the wrong way for attention, and accidentally die), would be "giving up".

like, world sucks too much, so you give up on trying to be happy, and kill self.

iv only known one person who succesffully killed themselves...they said it was over his girlfriend breaking up with him, but this was a strong, awsome, very smart kid. took a gun to his face. i like to think that he just experienced everything he wanted to and got bored of life, as opposed to being too sad to go on. either way, both would fall under giving up
 
jfn2 said:
oh yeah i forgot.... myway doesn't poop. yes, thank you for the beer/food runs. your bathroom just STUNK for no apparent reason. stinky.
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lol. Yea, im gonna stink up the upstairs bathroom ..... located a few feet from the NOISY jerk-o menz instead of going to my quiet, peaceful master bathroom behind my locking bedroom door.
Yea, that makes sense:artist:
 
The thread is about suicide...
The tags are funny...
It's like Reno... never been, but now I don't wanna visit cause of the parody of the show.
Good topic, but the tags... remind me its C&C...LOL
 
walliwalibus said:
LOL at the cowardly act stuff. I find that interesting that people really think that way. Kinda callous if you ask me, which you didn't but I said it anyway. I don't want the K, please. But I will participate. In no way, shape, or form is there a simple reason. In some countries don't they burn themselves when they know certain things like they are dying of something to cleanse themselves? I will look that up and get back with you. But if it were true, would you call that suicide? Is a belief suicide? There are way too many factors in suicide that we just cannot understand or explain. It's the individual you have to look at. You just cannot look at it as suicide. We always have to label every little thing and go into great detail but in this area it will always be a failure. How do you study someone who is dead? You could do forensics (sp?). Sure. But that is after all is said and done.

It's a sad subject really, and I rate it up there with S.I.D.S. It's just something we cannot figure out.

Yeah, depression, WTF it's way beyond that. I would be a goner if that were the case.

Good luck though.
Walli
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i agree with the cowardly act stuff being total bullshit. selfish maybe, but suicide def isnt "cowardly".

IMO thats a depressed persons last grasp of hope "well i may be depressed but im not a coward so ill keep trucking"...noone can know suffering of someone who commits suicide unless uv killed urself...
 
I think they essence of every reason can be distilled down to one concept: Absolute Hopelessness.

With hope, you can "get through" virtually anything. When that spark of hope is extinguished, the spirit is crushed, the body follows, one way or another.
 
-Ariel- said:
The thread is about suicide...
The tags are funny...
It's like Reno... never been, but now I don't wanna visit cause of the parody of the show.
Good topic, but the tags... remind me its C&C...LOL
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yea that tag is my fault...

there have been alot of tags aimed at me lately though..
 
my 2 cents.

i find it hard for people to even think of this.
but here are my reasons.

1. a way out. escape.

2. failure/hopelessness

3. The biggest one. this is the only way i can actually see people killing themselves. Being overrun with emotions that humans can't handle. im talking WAY too much shit. like when my dad was in vietnam and he saw his buddies all die in front of him, one died in his arms. or if you walked in your room and your wife was fucking another guy and he told you, "fuck you" or something.

humans are only meant to handle so much pain. when you can't handle it is when you go crazy or do crazy shit.

4. insanity
 
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