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Nelson Montanas' short cycle philosophy
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bitter_man
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Nelson Montana
As someone who doesn’t post much on this board & only reads posts occasionally, I find your posts to make a lot of sense. A lot of the information I have already experienced over the years & you tie it all together. I may even buy your book bro.
I have done a couple of 3-week cycles with great success. I believe short cycles are the way to go. Even in longer cycles my gains subside after week 4 anyway so I don’t see any reason for continuing use after this point.
Anyway, here is my next proposed cycle. What do you think?
Weeks 1-3: 100mg Testosterone Propionate ED + 40mg dianabol ED
Week 4: 50mg Winstrol ED
Week 5-7: 80-20mg Nolvadex ED+ Proviron (mornings only for weeks 5 & 6)
Week 4 is always using either Anavar, Winstrol or Primobolan (frontload). This allows SOME recovery during week 4 & prevents a crash during first week of post-cycle therapy and allows post-cycle therapy to work better.
As someone who doesn’t post much on this board & only reads posts occasionally, I find your posts to make a lot of sense. A lot of the information I have already experienced over the years & you tie it all together. I may even buy your book bro.
I have done a couple of 3-week cycles with great success. I believe short cycles are the way to go. Even in longer cycles my gains subside after week 4 anyway so I don’t see any reason for continuing use after this point.
Anyway, here is my next proposed cycle. What do you think?
Weeks 1-3: 100mg Testosterone Propionate ED + 40mg dianabol ED
Week 4: 50mg Winstrol ED
Week 5-7: 80-20mg Nolvadex ED+ Proviron (mornings only for weeks 5 & 6)
Week 4 is always using either Anavar, Winstrol or Primobolan (frontload). This allows SOME recovery during week 4 & prevents a crash during first week of post-cycle therapy and allows post-cycle therapy to work better.
British Bulldog said:
That'll work. 40 mgs of d-bol is a bit high for my taste, especially if you're already using 50 mgs of winny. Why not use that Primo as a frontload UP FRONT. Drop the d-bol (Or cut it down to maybe 10 mgs a day) and then do the anavar taper. That's should be a real nice cycle. Use the nolva only if you absolutely need it. I'm guessing you wont. Follow with the necessary supplements. (Post-Cycle and Unleashed from PF.com got you covered) Good luck bro. Have fun.
Nelson Montana said:
Yes Nelson, as Garbage mentioned I think that you read wrong the first time around. It is only 1500mgs for the first 2 weeks. wk three is less. These are "kinda" a frontload. Cant really call it that when it is the majority of the cycle being so short. The reason for continuing the var is to harden up while the injectibles are still in your sustem.
I usually run var for the last 4 weeks of any cycle and right up until postcycle therapy. It is the best part of a cycle in my opion, it really hardens you up right near the very end.
for e.g. This would look like the end of a normal long cycle for me
wk8:
EQ: 400mgs/wk
Test: 250/wk
var: 40mgs/day
wk9-11:
var: 40mgs/day
creatine: 15grams/day (depending on if i am holding a lot of H20 or not)
wk12
Postcycle therapy.
The theory is why not be still making gains while the EQ is still in your system, and var seems to be the perfect tool to solidify things up near the end. I am thinking of applying this same idea to the short cycle.
I know that many say you cant bulk and cut in the same cycle, but i honestly did. I usually keep my cycle very anabolic, but by using some drugs like test and dbol near the start (eating like a horse), and then start fading them out or down, and upping the anabolics like primo/EQ/var near the end and eating cleaner, you can do it. Basically my short cycle that I had made is a short version of the longer ones I do.
Cheers,
Mavy
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Nelson Montana said:
Winstrol is only used as a taper in week 4 by itself. Dbol is used with propionate for the first 3 weeks.
For week 5 & 6 I will run between 80-20mg nolvadex ED (day 1: 80mg, day 2-10: 40mg & day 11-14: 20mg) & 50mg proviron ED (morning). So post-cycle therapy is only for 2 weeks.
Is this still ok?
I will go down the supplement road the next time as ive done a clomid/dbol post cycle experiemnt, not its turn for the nolvadex/proviron post cycle experiemnt & then after the next short cycle I will use the supplemnets u have metioned. At te end of it all I will know which one was the best at keeping gains at te end of a short cycle.
Nolvadex is so similar to clomid they're almost indistinquishable. Your nolva dosage is also way too much IMO
Mavy: Of couse you can grow mucles and lose fat at the same time, but the body responds better when trying to do one or the other.
Mavy: Of couse you can grow mucles and lose fat at the same time, but the body responds better when trying to do one or the other.
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What post-cycle structure would you recommend on the above cycle baring in mind that this time I ONLY have access to nolvadex & proviron.
What post-cycle structure would you recommend on the above cycle baring in mind that this time I ONLY have access to nolvadex & proviron.
British Bulldog said:
With that cycle, the Proviron and "Post-Cycle" from www.proteinfactory.co should be all you need (Sorry I have to keep mentioning that "Post-Cyle" is the name of a specific supplement. I can see how it could get confusing).
Use nolva only if you develop symptoms of gyno which should not happen with that cycle unless you're very, very prone to it. But still, easy on the d-bol because if anything does it, that will. You can take just about all the primo, var and winny you want and never get gyno.
