Nelson Montanas' short cycle philosophy

[runester]

For all those interested...

http://www.t-mag.com/html/18stero.html

I beleive that at 39 yrs. old I will begin doing these...
My last recovery was a bitch and my lipids took forever to balance.
I look forward to another 39 yrs on this rock...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hold on. That article was writen 7 years ago! It's admittedly riddled with outdated information. (Although the basic premise still hold up pretty well, I must say).

In Bottom Line Bodybuilding I have a chapter entitled, STEROIDS FOR HEALTH 2002 (Not to be confused with the idiotic Cy Wilson t-mag rip-off of the same title). It takes the basic principles of SFH and adjusts them and addressed the errors of the original. (Hey, all we had were text books, personal experience and the advise of doctors. The "information highway" was still a dirt road. Aah, the old days.)

Basically, I would never recommend Deca today, but if you were to use it, using it with Winny, as suggested, is a good choice because Winny suppresses prog to a degree.

 

[twistedneck]

Does Nolvadex have value to improve lipid profiles?

Though now we're seeing that it does not work well as a endogeneous T recovery drug then once thought, wish data was available on Clomid.. TW

 

[BigAndy69]

Does Nolvadex have value to improve lipid profiles?

It definetely does.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Good read, I'm looking forward to on off, short cycle year around. Nelson, do you have any other info out there I could read? Do you discuss this else where?

 

[MrRTTB]

Nelson, what do you think of a "short" cycle looking like this, 3 weeks with short acting gear as I will be on tests and know a test is comming up about 5-6 weeks in advance.


Days

1-14: 50mg Dbol ED
15-21: Dbol 25mg ED

Days 1-20 Prop 100mg EOD

Days 15-31 Slin post workout(5 days per week), start at 6 then 8 then 10 for the rest.

Days 15-50: Creatine 10g ED, Glutamine 30g ED, Zink 60mg ED

Post cycle probably HCG days 15-25 + 20mg nolvadex 15-30

Well something like this with these compounds

 

[bigerisbetter]

bump

 

[A|pine]

I was going to run either Test/Deca or Test/EQ - im fairly young and have had a good recovery before. I dont think it should be an issue. But then again the idea of Deca and Progesterone sides/gyno arent cool. I know its rare to get any sides or gyno from 300-400mg a week but still if you are the unlucky one you are screwed unline w/ Test Gyno where you can fight it. I always used to read how Deca was one of the safest choices w/ low sides. I keep seeing posts about how Deca is so bad and progesterone and all that. I was under the impression that it was fairly rare to have sides from Deca unless they were over 400mg or so.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, what do you think of a "short" cycle looking like this, 3 weeks with short acting gear as I will be on tests and know a test is comming up about 5-6 weeks in advance.


Days

1-14: 50mg Dbol ED
15-21: Dbol 25mg ED


Days 1-20 Prop 100mg EOD
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I prefer long acting esters over prop. It makes blood levels more even. 50 mgs of Dbol is high, especially if you're going to use it with Test. Primo would be a better choice.(or EQ which is like "budget" Primo) If Test is your injectible, the optimum oral is Anavar (or Winny if Anavar is too pricey for you). Two weeks after your last injection, you should be fine if you're tested.


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Days 15-31 Slin post workout(5 days per week), start at 6 then 8 then 10 for the rest.


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I don't advocate the use Slin. You're on your own with this one.


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Days 15-50: Creatine 10g ED, Glutamine 30g ED, Zink 60mg ED


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The Creatine will help you hold onto water, if that's what you want.

Glutamine is a waste. Spend your money on a Post Cycle supplement that does something.

Too much zinc.


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Post cycle probably HCG days 15-25 + 20mg nolvadex 15-30

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You shouldn't need HCG for that long with a short cycle. In fact, you're better off without it. Use Nolvadex (if it works for you) only at the first sign of gyno, if and when it occurs. Proviron is a better choice.


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Well something like this with these compounds

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Don't forget the Avena Sativa, Chrysin and Milk Thistle. Good luck, and be careful.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

I actually found that eight weeks of prop, 100mg MWF and 50mg ED ox was very easy to recover from without any assistance at all. I am thirty five.

Prop is the only test I can stand. Longer esters seemed to take longer to recover from, at least for me. I do not take large doses of test, ever, for any reason.

I just started a prop/ox cycle like the one I mentioned. I have nolva and arimidex on hand...will use the nolva most likely, although either should be fine.

I have never touched clomid and I never will. Nelson has put a good argument forth that generally parallels my thinking. About three years back the clomid thing was addressed on this board and a few of us argued along Nelson's lines, although not as comprehensively.

I do believe that a.m. Dbol, when PROPERLY dosed and managed, can help with libido whilst one recovers without impeding that process. I've never utilized it, but the logic is sound.