military physical training

[plrpower]

Jarheadchiro, are you still in. I was out at Pendelton been out few years, far easier to get bigger when your not in ahhahaha.

 

[armyrebel]

Jarheadchiro, are you still in. I was out at Pendelton been out few years, far easier to get bigger when your not in ahhahaha.

That is true.

I know that this would all be considered overtraining. But, i was thinking something mild for a weight lifting program. Any suggestions?

 

[Bald Gorilla]

Well, I can tell you that if you are doing muscle failure every day, you are going stagnate your special population very quickly. I have balanced bodybuilding and army PT for over 10 years now, and at some points one of them has to give. I can't see special population doing a 10 mile run, though. They need to focus more on speed. In my opinion, as a commander (my second one now), an MFT, and a personal trainer is that you are pushing these guys too hard. Put all the effort into a 90 minute session 5 times a week.

I'd never tell you how to run your unit, though, so tear it up!

 

[armyrebel]

Well, I can tell you that if you are doing muscle failure every day, you are going stagnate your special population very quickly. I have balanced bodybuilding and army PT for over 10 years now, and at some points one of them has to give. I can't see special population doing a 10 mile run, though. They need to focus more on speed. In my opinion, as a commander (my second one now), an MFT, and a personal trainer is that you are pushing these guys too hard. Put all the effort into a 90 minute session 5 times a week.

I'd never tell you how to run your unit, though, so tear it up!

I agree totally with you. Im not in charge of it. I had a back spasm on my 2 mile and well came in at about 2 mins too late. So thats a pt faliure. Oh well what can i do.. lol. But, hey. I have brought up that its going to burn ppl out to the SSG in charge but, was told its his program.

 

[armyrebel]

Im going to post what we have been doing.

 

[Bald Gorilla]

I take special interest in my special pops. I generally don't take them on long runs because they lolly-gag and don't run fast enough no matter how much you yell at them. So I do about a half mile medium pace, then stop and do lunges, fireman's carrys, and sprints for about 10 minutes. Then we do another half mile. Then the drill. Do that for about 60-90 and you'll see a huge improvement in those guys. Just gradually pick up the pace on the half mile. After all that, running two miles is a breeze. Plus, they usually are begging to get out of the program by then. I was doing this 3 times a week and MF 2 times a week. My legs were huge and I really only did minimal gym leg work. And I am 6' 245lbs in my Avatar.

My battery has maintain an APFT average of over 250 for over a year. This is a regluar brigade headquarters battery, so that is pretty good. ...Now let's hear the comments from all the "spec-ops" guys! Funny how everybody is spec-ops on the internet...

Anybody in Baghdad, VBC area???

 

[armyrebel]

Thats true. Im keeping a log about what we are doing. And will start to post. Well im in Baghdad. Liberty.

 

[Bald Gorilla]

I am on Liberty, too.

 

[lowpro]

Sunday
am. Long Run (7.5-10 miles at about a 8:30 - 9:00 min pace)
pm. MF (Pushups, Situps, other body weight exercise for an hour)

Monday - Friday
AM. RUN (anywhere from 3-4 miles at a 7:00-8:30 pace)
PM MF (same as sunday)

Saturday (off day)
AM. Sports (football, basketball, softball) 1 hr

I don't see a single rest day period. Sports is not resting. I've designed and ran special pop PT programs for years and this is seriously the most illogical layout I've ever seen. The NCO in charge of this looks like he's/she's pushing for an EXCELLENT NCOER bullet and will end up overtraining and hurting some troops.

For one, special pop PT is supposed to be designed for the individual. This looks like everyone on the program is overweight, can't pass push ups, sit ups and the run. I'm pretty positive that's not the case.

Over-weight individuals usually fail the run (not always). They need to focus 3 days running and 2 days light weight training for endurance and weight loss - not to mention a diet plan.

Push up and sit up failures need to focus 3 days a week on muscle endurance and 2 days a week on the run (as to not lose that running ability).

Those failing the run need to ... well ... run (4 days a week with some upper body exercised thrown in). I only see long runs in your program. That's great, if you're training for long runs. You need to be training for 2 miles. So, 2 days a week should be longer runs for endurance and confidence building and 2 days need to be focused on sprints. Wind sprints and quarter mile paced runs will build the neccessary endurance for the 2 mile run.


I used to also add half PT test once every 2 weeks. Meaning, Push ups and sit ups for 1 minute and a one mile run. This wasn't too hard and most people found themselves passing the minimum push ups and sit ups in that one minute.

I don't mean to come down hard because I know this isn't your designed program, but it makes me mad to see NCO's overtraining and killing troops. No more than 5 days of training. And before the training masters here call bullshit, the Army has a way of training it's soldier up to 5 days and this isn't 5 days of weight training. We've done this for over 40 years and it's worked ever since.

 

[armyrebel]

I don't see a single rest day period. Sports is not resting. I've designed and ran special pop PT programs for years and this is seriously the most illogical layout I've ever seen. The NCO in charge of this looks like he's/she's pushing for an EXCELLENT NCOER bullet and will end up overtraining and hurting some troops.

For one, special pop PT is supposed to be designed for the individual. This looks like everyone on the program is overweight, can't pass push ups, sit ups and the run. I'm pretty positive that's not the case.

Over-weight individuals usually fail the run (not always). They need to focus 3 days running and 2 days light weight training for endurance and weight loss - not to mention a diet plan.

Push up and sit up failures need to focus 3 days a week on muscle endurance and 2 days a week on the run (as to not lose that running ability).

Those failing the run need to ... well ... run (4 days a week with some upper body exercised thrown in). I only see long runs in your program. That's great, if you're training for long runs. You need to be training for 2 miles. So, 2 days a week should be longer runs for endurance and confidence building and 2 days need to be focused on sprints. Wind sprints and quarter mile paced runs will build the neccessary endurance for the 2 mile run.


I used to also add half PT test once every 2 weeks. Meaning, Push ups and sit ups for 1 minute and a one mile run. This wasn't too hard and most people found themselves passing the minimum push ups and sit ups in that one minute.

I don't mean to come down hard because I know this isn't your designed program, but it makes me mad to see NCO's overtraining and killing troops. No more than 5 days of training. And before the training masters here call bullshit, the Army has a way of training it's soldier up to 5 days and this isn't 5 days of weight training. We've done this for over 40 years and it's worked ever since.

Im also an NCO. Trust me. I kinda went off on the guy incharge. Thats one reason im stuck on it. (I have a attitude problem) But, Im going to post up what we have been doing. Since we pretty much do the same thing it will be easy. I will post a little later today.