Is the word FAG the same as the word N*gger?

[FBI]

we have another racist revealed. musclebrains, please don't ever use the terms 'wigger' or 'redneck' again. if i said "all the black kids trying to act like niggers" you would probably have me banned. but you can say "all the white kids trying to act like wiggers" and that's cool? i don't think so.

so despite your belief that you are somehow better off than us 'rednecks' (once again, i doubt you could say something like porch monkey with that kind of conviction and still be around) on this topic, go get a clue, because you have just twice perpetuated the classifying of people by race. just because they are white you will get away with it. that doesn't make it right.

racist piece of shit.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Is the word FAG the same as the word N*gger?

Funny how you misspelling the words somehow changes anything.

Just because you say or shout the word nigger does not mean you have the corresponding racist attitude, just like you could be the biggest racist out there and never say it.

i only misspelled them to make a point and a joke, really.

i agree but you should have said ni88er instead of nigger, its less offensive.

 

[musclebrains]

we have another racist revealed. musclebrains, please don't ever use the terms 'wigger' or 'redneck' again. if i said "all the black kids trying to act like niggers" you would probably have me banned. but you can say "all the white kids trying to act like wiggers" and that's cool? i don't think so.

so despite your belief that you are somehow better off than us 'rednecks' (once again, i doubt you could say something like porch monkey with that kind of conviction and still be around) on this topic, go get a clue, because you have just twice perpetuated the classifying of people by race. just because they are white you will get away with it. that doesn't make it right.

racist piece of shit.

Maybe you should stretch your sad little brain to consider context. Are Patti Smith's "ROck and Roll Nigger" or the pivotal 60s essay, "The Student as Nigger," racist? Um, no. Context and parody. The inversion of stereotyping language to undermine the stereotype is hardly the same thing as its use to insult the object of stereotyping.

You are much more interested in the regulation of language than me. The difference is that your pathetic attempt at irony is in service to a claim, not to free speech but to unchallenged thought.

I do not favor banning people for anything but ad hominem attacks, by the way. I much prefer to see racists make public idiots of themselves. Strangely -- yeah right -- there seems to be a high correlation between racist speech and ad hominem attack. (Your post demonstrates it.) I wonder why.

 

[spongebob]

I bet those of you defending the use of either word don't use it around black people or gay people who are your bosses or have equal status with you in some other way.

thats the point, some people here are saying in what context they are using it in and its not around gays or blacks, its around "thier" group. example, i call my friends faggot sometimes and it is never in a sexual content.

The use of the word "nigger" was long used to characterize someone as lazy, rather stupid and immoral. It's just idiocy to argue that the word doesn't have a racist history and connotation. Minorities approrpiate these epithets in order to parody them and sometimes to undercut their power.

i dont recall anyone argueing that these derogatory words does not have history. maybe i missed a post.

On the other hand, a lot of dorky white boys now have attempted to appropriate thug culture -- the wigger is the extreme -- to make themselves appear like badasses. Their use of "nigga" just comes across to me as teenagers trying to look cool by talking with a potty mouth. The vast majority of rap music is bought by middle-class white boys. I'm sure the artists laugh all the way to the bank, planning ever nastier lyrics to make the hand-dancing white boys feel like bad homies.

alot of dorky whiteboys??? why is being a wigger an extreme??? isnt fucking someone in the ass with your fist extreme??? why are you labeling wiggers??? and why does it bother you at ALL??? you seem to act like you are pleased or somewhat thrilled at your comment concerning the rappers laughing all the way to the bank. as if they just pulled one over on the dorky whiteboys. whiteboys cant be bad??? wtf kind of statement is that??? ok, no more questions followed by three question marks...

I read the constant use of the word faggot here as indicating the same kind of juvenile fascination as others have with thug culture. It may be less consciouis, but only a real dumb faggot can forget the context here: a lot of men highly concerned with the way their bodies look to themselves and one another. Ya don't see many women around here, do you?

ok muscles the gigs up you got me and the rest of us. im GAY. ok i said it, you happy. i love my body because im gay. i love coming to ef because im gay. man do i feel better now that thats off my chest. uhmmm.....my chest.

 

[musclebrains]

I already addressed your last point, Sponge. Read the thread.

 

[spongebob]

I said no such thing and I wonder why you came to that conclusion.

If you're not aware that a great majority of the public thinks bodybuilding -- a sport where men try to get pretty, oil themselves and display themselves to one another -- is extremely gay, you should do a little reading. (And you should get your hands on some of Mr. Weider's infamous memos. The net is rife with rants about how bodybuilding is NOT gay. )

What I am suggesting is that the continual distancing from being a "faggot" -- use of the term in a pejorative sense when another could be used as well -- seems partly motivated by the bodybuilding culture's habituated need to assure everyone that its members are not gay.

i did read this response before posting, i still felt after reading this response that your first post was insuating something that is why i addressed it. and i still feel that why.

btw, are there any studies showing the fact that a great majority of the public thinks bodybuilding is gay. just curious because although i dont know a great majority of the public, the people i do know have never ever even come close to indicating this to me. and i have never gotton this perception from anyone actually. maybe its the people im hanging with.

 

[musclebrains]

Read nearly any bodybuilder's bio. Talk to Bob Paris. His sin wasn't being gay. It was validating a popular stereotype.

I know what I meant by my post and it was not to suggest that every straight boy fond of using the word "faggot" with his friends is a repressed homosexual. But the fact you discern something below the surface argues your own point; see below.

My point, as it was relevant to the general objections you raised, is that language carries meanings and can cause effects that can be quite apart from our conscious intentions. And that appears to be exactly what happened in my own statement. So I hope you might likewise notice that use of the word faggot might "insinuate" (your word) something that you can't quite accept or perceive. Or am I to presume your interpretation is somehow clearer and free of insinuation?

Whether someone thinks it is worthwhile to examine how they might be affecting other people with their language, regardless of the motivations to which they lay claim, is a personal choice.

In the way we should be able to talk about the homoerotic aspect of bodybuilding without the necessary assumption that all bodybuilders are gay, we ought to be able to talk about the use of the word faggot without the a priori assumption that it isn't perpetuating a stereotype regardless of our itentions.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

i think they can both be as offensive but in different ways. you can't help the color of your skin, as well as not being able to help your sexuality, i consider homosexuality to be a mental disease of some sort, otherwise they would be able to change. so yes, again, they are both offensive to the point where the accused cannot help their situation.

 

[dballer]

I do not favor banning people for anything but ad hominem attacks, by the way. I much prefer to see racists make public idiots of themselves. Strangely -- yeah right -- there seems to be a high correlation between racist speech and ad hominem attack. (Your post demonstrates it.) I wonder why.

What about posting data from the MOD board here.. on other boards.

what about talking shit on other boards.


What about rumors that someone might have access to the moderator board.

what about ..... oh well you get the point... the above quote is bullshit.

 

[Pamela]

I don't like either word!!

Why use some word/ words to make people feel bad????