I am buggin out

[Spidey]

The pin length will not render the gear ineffective, but the deeper it goes into the muscle the better....

OK, why is deeper better? Are you telling me that vascularity is better deeper in the muscle? That doesn't seem to make sense. That would mean the top layers of muscle wouldn't be getting as much blood supply as the inner layers. The outer layers of "blood poor" muscle would die.

I do all my injections with a 27 gauge 1/2" needle. Glutes, quads, delts. Your skin is only about 3 mm thick. Unless you have one hell of a fat layer, 1/2" is sufficient to get into the muscle. I'm having great results thus far on my fina cycle. Strength is up and mass is up about 10lbs. I am supposed to add in test prop next week but don't know if I will.

-Spidey

 

[mvmaxx]

OK, why is deeper better? Are you telling me that vascularity is better deeper in the muscle? That doesn't seem to make sense. That would mean the top layers of muscle wouldn't be getting as much blood supply as the inner layers. The outer layers of "blood poor" muscle would die.

I do all my injections with a 27 gauge 1/2" needle. Glutes, quads, delts. Your skin is only about 3 mm thick. Unless you have one hell of a fat layer, 1/2" is sufficient to get into the muscle. I'm having great results thus far on my fina cycle. Strength is up and mass is up about 10lbs. I am supposed to add in test prop next week but don't know if I will.

-Spidey

1/2"?!? gbus dewd, I thought the pain was bad enough injecting sust/decca with a 1" in the glutes. My glutes were thanking me when I switched to 1-1/2". I couldn't imagine 1/2".

BTW, how's that Tren flowing through the 27gauge? I may get some of those for the delts for my tren/prop/winny cycle.

 

[Spidey]

1/2"?!? gbus dewd, I thought the pain was bad enough injecting sust/decca with a 1" in the glutes. My glutes were thanking me when I switched to 1-1/2". I couldn't imagine 1/2".

BTW, how's that Tren flowing through the 27gauge? I may get some of those for the delts for my tren/prop/winny cycle.

Am I missing something here? How is a 1/2" needle more painful than a 1" needle?

The fina flows just fine through the 27 gauge. Just use the 1 ml tuberculin syringe and go slow and steady. I have to fill it up with a larger diameter though. I draw with a 21 gauge and then change pins to the 27. I just bought some 25 gauge 5/8" needles but don't have them yet. I hope that's big enough to allow me to draw and shoot with the same pin.

-Spidey

 

[mvmaxx]

Am I missing something here? How is a 1/2" needle more painful than a 1" needle?
-Spidey

I didn't mean the gauge or even the entry that hurts more. I'm talking about the pain I got from the sust sitting 1" in my glutes compared to the painless injections with 1-1/2". It was a huge difference for me. That's why I say I couldn't imagine 1/2".

Good info thanx.

 

[Spidey]

I didn't mean the gauge or even the entry that hurts more. I'm talking about the pain I got from the sust sitting 1" in my glutes compared to the painless injections with 1-1/2". It was a huge difference for me. That's why I say I couldn't imagine 1/2".

Good info thanx.

OK. I get it now. Maybe there are fewer nerves deeper in or something (just a guess of course). Maybe I should try that if and when I start the test prop. I hear that hurts like a mofo. Do you go all the way in with that 1 1/2" needle or do you stop with 1/8" steel showing (talking glutes here)?

-Spidey

 

[mvmaxx]

OK. I get it now. Maybe there are fewer nerves deeper in or something (just a guess of course). Maybe I should try that if and when I start the test prop. I hear that hurts like a mofo. Do you go all the way in with that 1 1/2" needle or do you stop with 1/8" steel showing (talking glutes here)?

-Spidey

I go all the way with the 1-1/2" in the glutes. And I also inject very slowly. I even tried pushing in even more with the 1" but it would still knot up really bad. It hurt everytime I sat down. 1-1/2" I couldn't even remember which glute I hit. It's weird.

BTW, in regards to the test prop try Viromone. I hear it's painless. I'll be able to tell you in a few short days.

BTW, karma 4 u for your anti-e post as well as this. Even though you're now scaring the shit out of me on the anti-e thing. I'm going to be running Aromasin this cycle @ 1tab/ED.

 

[Spidey]

Thanks for the karma Don't mean to scare people. I just think that a lot of people don't really take everything into consideration when they are thinking about choosing their cycles. Do you know that you are prone to gyno? If not, I would seriously consider holding off on the Aromasin unless you start to have problems. Why risk damage to avoid a little water gain that will go away on its own after cycle anyway.

-Spidey

 

[mvmaxx]

Spidey - because "I am" prone and I know it. That's why, otherwise you're right I probably wouldn't. I had adolescent gyno (very small) and it started to get worse from dbol during week 3 of a sust/decca/dbol cycle. And that was while on 1mg of Liquidex ED. I started 40mg of Nolvadex ED and quit the dbol and it got better. So I'm taking every precaution I can this go around.

 

[Spectre]

Johng: Even if your stuff was bunk, you should have gained some scale pounds if you were eating to grow. Albeit fat because of excess. Are you sure your diet was a least close?

I am not a vet, but I would find someone to brew a new cycle for you. I think the ramp up is old school and your blood levels would be low on 250 a week, maybe even detrimental if your shut down but not enough to grow, essentially doing nothing.

 

[The Terminator]

OK, why is deeper better? Are you telling me that vascularity is better deeper in the muscle? That doesn't seem to make sense. That would mean the top layers of muscle wouldn't be getting as much blood supply as the inner layers. The outer layers of "blood poor" muscle would die.
-Spidey

What I meant was that deeper in causes less lumps or swelling, as Mvmaxx has already pointed out. I know that I tried a 1" in the glute once and it gave me a freakin charlie horse, glutes always got 1 1/2" after that incident. I don't see that it would make the gear itself more or less effective at all but when you get one of those lumps you'll know what I mean.