Ooooh, where to start with this one! I think the first time I relaized that some supplements are BS is when I tried vanadyl when it first came out. Sportpharma had me believing it was teh second coming. And the list has just grown from there. Smilax, l-carnitine, andr, nor-andr, or any other fucking BS pro-hormone you can think of. Hmmm, what else? HMB is another. I guess the best part about HMB is that I payed a lot for it so I could get the esteemed EAS label on it. Bill Phillips is a fag!