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Day two of sobriety

You obviously have the desire to get better.
Addiction is strong but you are stronger.
Help is there for you you just have to take it. Go to meetings. Talk to people and change your focus from drugging. Impossible to quit something that constantly occupies your mind. Stay busy and stay focused on important things like your health, your life and your daughter's.
Good luck.
 
do you have family around to help out with the kid???

Don't want family to know. I'm managing but my wife is hurtin pretty bad. She's been addicted for much longer than I though. I'd say 16 months or so.

Which comes to another point about the reason for her abuse. I think she went through Post partum depression but never admitted it. I tried and tried to get her to considering seeing someone but she refused. I think the fact that I was in school for 40 hours a week plus the 32 hours on the weekend really got to her since she raised our daughter by herself pretty much from the day she was born on March 6th 2007 to December 2007

Another thing I thought about is how easily one can have this type of addiction and be fully functional. Off of other addictive drugs, you're pretty much stuck wherever you're at. I would be completely blitzed at work and no one had a clue at all. That's one of the many dangerous things about these drugs and why so many people are hooked on them. You can do everything exactly the same sober but just in a better mood. It's kinda like that alcohol courage you get before getting slammed. You're up, happy, and willing to talk to anyone. Something I really never did before. So in essence it's given me the ability to become a people person. Even after I dropped down to 2.5 mg for the maintenance dose before coming off, I'm just a more talkative person.

So I can at least say one positive thing came out of this hell. The next positive thing is freedom
 
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Don't want family to know. I'm managing but my wife is hurtin pretty bad. She's been addicted for much longer than I though. I'd say 16 months or so.

Which comes to another point about the reason for her abuse. I think she went through Post partum depression but never admitted it. I tried and tried to get her to considering seeing someone but she refused. I think the fact that I was in school for 40 hours a week plus the 32 hours on the weekend really got to her since she raised our daughter by herself pretty much from the day she was born on March 6th 2007 to December 2007

Another thing I thought about is how easily one can have this type of addiction and be fully functional. Off of other addictive drugs, you're pretty much stuck wherever you're at. I would be completely blitzed at work and no one had a clue at all. That's one of the many dangerous things about these drugs and why so many people are hooked on them. You can do everything exactly the same sober but just in a better mood. It's kinda like that alcohol courage you get before getting slammed. You're up, happy, and willing to talk to anyone. Something I really never did before. So in essence it's given me the ability to become a people person. Even after I dropped down to 2.5 mg for the maintenance dose before coming off, I'm just a more talkative person.

So I can at least say one positive thing came out of this hell. The next positive thing is freedom


you really ought to have some support available just in case. . .for the kid's sake. . .i'm truly impressed with what you're trying to do but, when you have a kid, it's not "your life" anymore. . .
 
you really ought to have some support available just in case. . .for the kid's sake. . .i'm truly impressed with what you're trying to do but, when you have a kid, it's not "your life" anymore. . .

Completely agree which is why I just left the 3rd message with a woman at a treatment center. I called the operator to see if there was anyone else that could help and she said "well you're just gonna have to wait for her to get back with you" WTF kind of answer is that?

Trust me man, the main reason for doing this is for her. The problem is that for most of her life, we have been using. The first six months it was just occasionally, maybe once or twice a week. The next six months and on is when it became a daily thing.

It's hard to have fun with her because everytime we played with her, we were in a great mood. That's the psychological part of this shit. Trying to convince myself that the same things can be just as fun sober as they are high.

The problem with that is I'm a realist. You can't sit there and tell me that doing things high isn't more fun than doing it sober. It just isn't possible chemically. The drugs make the brain flood the body with serotonin and whatever other feel good hormones thus making whatever experience that much better.

Even though that may be the case, I would still rather try to at least be content while doing things. Then eventually I'll forget about the pills being more fun and I'll just consider it fun. Well that's the idealist way of looking at it. I hope it comes true though
 
Don't hide this from your family you need them now more than you ever did(Im pretty sure they know anyways)You are only kidding yourself if you think your little get sober plan on your own is gonna work I got news for you ............IT WONT!!Sure you might get a week or 2 of clean time than you will just pick up where you left off.As an Addict in recovery myself I have tried everything to the point Of exhaustion.I promise if you ask your family for help they will give it to you.You need to get into a detox for at least 10 days than pursue an outpatient program including the steps and 90 meetings in 90 days.I wish TXBONDSMEN was here He is much better at explaining the process of recovery.I wish you luck and if you need someone to talk to PM me.
 
Don't hide this from your family you need them now more than you ever did(Im pretty sure they know anyways)You are only kidding yourself if you think your little get sober plan on your own is gonna work I got news for you ............IT WONT!!Sure you might get a week or 2 of clean time than you will just pick up where you left off.As an Addict in recovery myself I have tried everything to the point Of exhaustion.I promise if you ask your family for help they will give it to you.You need to get into a detox for at least 10 days than pursue an outpatient program including the steps and 90 meetings in 90 days.I wish TXBONDSMEN was here He is much better at explaining the process of recovery.I wish you luck and if you need someone to talk to PM me.


I realize that this is a possibility because I'm a realist but from personal experience last week, when I went to orientation, I went two days and felt no withdrawals at all. When I'm home, shit hits the fan for some reason. I can be hurting at home, go to work and be fine. I'm not talking about just able to function, I'm talking I show no signs of withdrawal at all.

I admit I'm stubborn and refuse to go inpatient because that would completely screw me out of the first full time job I have been able to find since I graduated in December. My family's livelihood depend on this job. We will not be able to stay in the house we just moved in to last week. This HAS to work.

The lady that I'm still waiting on a call back from said they had a 3 day outpatient program where they evaluate them prescribe suboxone. From there, I'm not sure how many meetings I will have to go to but I hope they have late ones.

We would absolutely crumble if I had to go to inpatient rehab. I'm not a junkie who has been on them for years. I am fully aware that addiction is addiction but there are degrees of it and I am on the low end of that. Considering I tapered down to 2.5mg of methadone, that's a quarter of the pill when it's only 2 halves. 1/4 of a pill wiped out all symptoms. For most addicts, they can't get below 30mg without hurting.

I truly believe I can do this if I had a script for suboxone. It's extremely hard to get unless you enter a program becasuse its licensed by the DEA so the Dr has to be licensed from them to prescribe it. The problem with that is money to which we have none. I mean NONE. This has nothing to do with the addiction by the way. When we were getting scripts regularly, I was using my insurance that I had at the time and paid $6 for all three so no we didn't blow all our money on drugs.

That's why I was hopeful this woman would call me back because she said I would qualify for such an outpatient treatment that is gov't funded so I wouldn't have to pay.

Forgot to add that I'm not close with my family so it's not something that I would ever go to them about. It's not like we have a broken family or anything. I just don't have that kind of connection with my parents or any of my relatives. Once I moved out, it was thanks and goodbye. We talk all the time and we see them often since my entire family is in the same county. I have never looked to them for advice
 
Completely agree which is why I just left the 3rd message with a woman at a treatment center. I called the operator to see if there was anyone else that could help and she said "well you're just gonna have to wait for her to get back with you" WTF kind of answer is that?

Trust me man, the main reason for doing this is for her. The problem is that for most of her life, we have been using. The first six months it was just occasionally, maybe once or twice a week. The next six months and on is when it became a daily thing.

It's hard to have fun with her because everytime we played with her, we were in a great mood. That's the psychological part of this shit. Trying to convince myself that the same things can be just as fun sober as they are high.

The problem with that is I'm a realist. You can't sit there and tell me that doing things high isn't more fun than doing it sober. It just isn't possible chemically. The drugs make the brain flood the body with serotonin and whatever other feel good hormones thus making whatever experience that much better.

Even though that may be the case, I would still rather try to at least be content while doing things. Then eventually I'll forget about the pills being more fun and I'll just consider it fun. Well that's the idealist way of looking at it. I hope it comes true though

still. . .you should at least have a "friend" lined up in case you and/or your wife go bat-shit crazy during the process. . .certainly you have a friend (like me) who doesn't ask a bunch of fucking questions, that you can put on alert, so if things get too rough, you have someone to call that can step-in and baby-sit for a while until you're out of the woods. . .personally, i'd do that for any of my friends and i wouldn't ask any questions. . .
 
still. . .you should at least have a "friend" lined up in case you and/or your wife go bat-shit crazy during the process. . .certainly you have a friend (like me) who doesn't ask a bunch of fucking questions, that you can put on alert, so if things get too rough, you have someone to call that can step-in and baby-sit for a while until you're out of the woods. . .personally, i'd do that for any of my friends and i wouldn't ask any questions. . .

Yea My best friends wife who I've also known since high school is a psychologist who has worked with substance abuse issues.

They have said they would be more than willing to come up here and watch her if need be so I'm covered there
 
Trust me man, the main reason for doing this is for her.
As good as the words sound, you can't quit FOR anybody but yourself. You can't quit for kids, family, anyone but you. Are they a motivator, yes, will they keep you from using, sorry to say, no. If they did, we'd have many more people who could get sober, but sadly that not the case. I often wondered why on airplanes the attendants told you to "place the mask over your face first, then over you childs", I thought that seemed wrong, you want you kids to survive, do them first. After some thought, if your not able to save yourself first, you may not be able to even put the damn thing on them to save them. You have to save yourself first, then they automatically will be OK if you are.

It's hard to have fun with her because everytime we played with her, we were in a great mood. That's the psychological part of this shit. Trying to convince myself that the same things can be just as fun sober as they are high..

That's normal, some things aren't as fun. period. end of story. I'll give you a personal example. concerts for me. Some activities act as triggers and have to be avoided anyway, at least for a period of time. Fishing was that way for me, and it was hard to listen to certain songs, etc, but it gets ok.

The problem with that is I'm a realist. You can't sit there and tell me that doing things high isn't more fun than doing it sober. It just isn't possible chemically. The drugs make the brain flood the body with serotonin and whatever other feel good hormones thus making whatever experience that much better.

OK, MR. Realist, your exactly right, they are not as fun. How much fun is it puking, shiting, crying, puking, sweating, crying, sweating, shitting, puking, and doing all that all over again. When the pain exceeds the pleasure, you'll not worry about the little things like what's fun and what isn't. You'll be willing to go to any lengths to find serinity, inner calm, peace.

Even though that may be the case, I would still rather try to at least be content while doing things. Then eventually I'll forget about the pills being more fun and I'll just consider it fun. Well that's the idealist way of looking at it. I hope it comes true though

You forget the pills you'll use agian I can promise you that, with 100% accuracy. You HAVE to remember the pills, I didn't say obsess on them, the key is to remeber them and not dwell on them, to move past them, but NEVER forgetting. You'll have the stinkin thinkin that comes in time, maybe just 1, amybe just this much won't hurt, all that kind of shit, it creaps into your head w/o you noticing. Then I want you to rememver your worst days, the pain, the depression, not the good times out partying and dancing, the times where death would have been easier, those times.
Can life be fun again, absolutely. Will it be like you remember it, never again. And IMO, I'll take this over that anyday.....anyday.

I'll have a birthday God willing on the 3rd of Oct, 7:00 AM, 8 years clean and sober, friend of Bill
 
I'm throwing you strength bro
I'm an addict(heroin/crack/OC's/methadone)
I feel your pain and know exactly what you are going through

The suboxones will really take the edge of bro
just make sure you haven't taken any methadone for at least 24 hours

do not swallow any of your saliva, put under tounge, and let dissolve into bloodstream. Do not swallow
You can also snort them (nasty, but I have done it)
 
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