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Day two of sobriety

So what makes you think your a "better"addict than others?Or that your Not as bad.Whether you drink beer for breakfast or you stick yourself with coke and heroin We All(as addicts) suffer from the same disease and we recover the same way.
 
So what makes you think your a "better"addict than others?Or that your Not as bad.Whether you drink beer for breakfast or you stick yourself with coke and heroin We All(as addicts) suffer from the same disease and we recover the same way.

some habits are more severe than others, tolerance, type of drugs you were using

I'd rather be kicking slammin dope than methadone
but you are right, we are all addicts
some cases are worse than others
the hard part is staying away
 
believe it or not in my and most experience
the less suboxone you take, the better you feel
Not saying don't take any, this is good you have some

let's say you have three left, cut it into 1/4s that will leave you with 12 doses
try top take 1/4 every 6 hours while you are awake

Please keep me updated
i want to help


Yea we have 10 quarter pieces left so 2mg per dose. I feel really fried today but that may be from all the weed we smoked yesterday. We smoked every half hour for almost the entire day. Was really cranked off of the suboxone though. I mean I had all kinds of energy and we didn't get to sleep until after 2am. I didn't want to go to sleep because I enjoyed the feeling of normalcy so much but I feel fine right now. No withdrawals yet but they usually don't start getting bad until the early afternoon so I'll have to see how I feel later on.

Like you said, we're gonna make these stretch as long as possible. Instead of taking them as soon as we wake up and get into the habit again of taking something every morning, we're gonna wait until we need to take another dose.


So what makes you think your a "better"addict than others?Or that your Not as bad.Whether you drink beer for breakfast or you stick yourself with coke and heroin We All(as addicts) suffer from the same disease and we recover the same way.

Not better than other addicts just different because of the shorter time than using than most addicts that I've read about. Hell every addiction messageboard I went to, most had been addicted for years whereas it hasn't even been a year for me.

I agree that I'm still an addict and no matter the level, I'm just as fucked up as the next person. I'm a very logical person so I'm always thinking about every possible scenario about how to handle this. Every conclusion I come up with when comparing symptoms, length of use, type of use(usually swallowed the pill and can count the number of times I snorted roxy's on one hand, and overall lifestyle difference, I honestly feel that I'm a better candidate at sobriety than a lot of other people.

I didn't mean to make it sound like every other addict is worthless, just that I'm a little more grounded because of all the things I listed.

BTW Methadone f-d me up too
alot of peeps think it has no rec. value
how the f? did you take 100mgs of done' in a day
I take 30mgs and I'd scratch my face off

i always was careful with methadone
that's the worst drug to be addicted too
gets into your bones and fat cells and it's a long ass withdrawel period

Shit man I had to take 30mg-50 just to take the edge off when I ran out of roxy's. I would then take more and more because I could attain the same high from them. I don't know why because even my wife says she doesn't feel a thing. Once I would get to 10+, it would be hard to keep my eyes open unless I was doing stuff.
 
Yea we have 10 quarter pieces left so 2mg per dose. I feel really fried today but that may be from all the weed we smoked yesterday. We smoked every half hour for almost the entire day. Was really cranked off of the suboxone though. I mean I had all kinds of energy and we didn't get to sleep



Shit man I had to take 30mg-50 just to take the edge off when I ran out of roxy's. I would then take more and more because I could attain the same high from them. I don't know why because even my wife says she doesn't feel a thing. Once I would get to 10+, it would be hard to keep my eyes open unless I was doing stuff.

cool bro, still take the 1/4 around noon time
and you should be fine for the rest of the day
there still is some withdrawel symptoms coming off suboxones and it's usually three days or so after
nothing bad, just heightened anxiety and leg pain

let me know how you are feeling throughout the day
I'll K you my phone number if you need to talk or advice
 
The lady said that only 3% of people who do not seek help don't relapse. We'll be in that 3%

it's actually < 2%, I hope you are in there. I'd find a group of people, whether AA or NA, that have acommon purpose. They're good groups and not so good, keep looking and asking till you find one that has people with whom you like to associate. I think that you'll find the support amazing and that they're insights are very helpful.

* fyi Whether your athiest, agnostic, or religious, I'd suggest that you start/have some sort of relationship with a higher power. It doesn't cost anything and it's worked for many a person, ones who did fall in the 2% more often than not, and it's always good to do what other sucessful people have done.
 
You guys smoke pot all day, do you do that in front of your daughter?

I'll leave the marijuana debate to Lestat's threads as we agree about marijuana prohibition but yes, we had to pretty much put her in her playpen while she watched baby einstein videos. She loves watching them and has no problem sitting in there for 15 minutes while we smoke.

I'm not gonna get into whether it's right or wrong because I'm sure you have a different opinion than I. I will state that when she gets older, we will have a very open and honest discussion about drug use and abuse. I'm hoping that once we have this discussion and share our nightmares that we endured, she won't want to use anything stronger than marijuana. Anything more than that will be up to her. All I can do is do the normal stuff like monitor grades, friends, where she's going, etc. She will have to make the decision on what road she takes.

Explaining responsible drug use with someone who has never done drugs is a hard thing to do. I have always believed that moderation is the key to any drug albeit LSD, ecstacy, marijuana, etc. I always stayed away from the hard drugs such as meth, heroin, and only did coke a handful of times. I knew that the type of person I was, the opportunity for addiction was there with the harder drugs especially meth. I've never even seen the stuff but knew back in the day that it would be my type of drug so I never looked for it.

What I call lesser drugs or the ones that don't pose a potential for physical addiction such as LSD can be a life altering event. I can tell you that a lot of my personal beliefs were formed while trippin. We weren't the normal kids just trippin to get high. We went on a journey where we debated about everything from space time continuum, black holes, to religion. It was more of a self discovery than just a drug. This is where someone who isn't properly educated about drugs would get confused. They would say well you used the drug to base your life on? No, the drug enhanced the ability to find myself as a person and what I believe in. It's hard to explain without actually experiencing it.

Of course others would say well you could have done that without them. Sure I could have but it wouldn't have been as much fun. The friends that I tripped with are now dentists, financial advisers, etc so the partying had no ill effect on completing their goals. I'm another story because my parents failed to instill any kind of beliefs as far as goals, college, etc. I had no path or direction to go. I was on a loooose leash and I took full advantage of it. Sure, I should have figured it out in high school but my parents should have been more involved than they were.

What I'm trying to say is that there are so many people in this world who have either partied so hard or even still party that hard and you would not have a clue. There are a ton of responsible drug users out there. I wasn't back when I was in high school but that was 10 years ago

I thought I would also throw in that I no longer do any of those drugs except marijuana. The last time for any of those "lesser" drugs was back in 2000. I have drank twice this year. Once at my high school reunion a couple months back and at my friends cabin earlier in the year which actually was the first night we have spent without our daughter and she was already 1 at the time so that tells you how little we went out. We're way past that partying stage. We had fun then too much fun. I was too busy with school and work to realize that the painkillers were becoming an important part of my life. I just never thought that the thing that would get me would be painkillers of all things. I guess that's why I stayed away from the harder stuff. Like I said earlier, I knew the harder stuff would be a problem but I was too busy to actually realize that painkillers were just as bad if abused as the harder drugs. I'll have to leave that up to one of life's lessons
 
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i hope you guys recover. i truely do. but if i knew you and knew you were putting the kid in her playpen to smoke, id call child services. blatant child endangerment, no two ways about it. extremely selfish, immature behavior. you dont realize how lucky you are. i really hope you and your wife dont fuck your kid up. grow up. everything about the behaviors you posted screams selfish. that shit ends when you have a child.
 
i hope you guys recover. i truely do. but if i knew you and knew you were putting the kid in her playpen to smoke, id call child services. blatant child endangerment, no two ways about it. extremely selfish, immature behavior. you dont realize how lucky you are. i really hope you and your wife dont fuck your kid up. grow up. everything about the behaviors you posted screams selfish. that shit ends when you have a child.

Really? So what is the purpose of a fucking playpen? To contain the child in a safe environment while adults are preoccupied. Is it just as bad to leave a kid in there while everyone is watching football and drinking a couple beers? I'm not sure what you think playpens were designed for but they do what they're intended to do.

If for one second you think that smoking pot endangers my child, you have a severely warped opinion on the matter. I am fully functional while high and many people can attest to this. I can go to the bank or any public place and no one would know. I choose not to drive though because I know it would impair advanced motor skills needed to process the amount of data one does while driving, even if they don't know it's actually happening.

Don't try to school me on what you think you know about my situation. You would have to call the police on half the country if you thought leaving their kid in a playpen is a crime. We have video monitoring so we can see everything that happens. Our three dogs are always around her for protection from potential burglars.

There is a system to this that you're obviously not getting because you're too busy presuming the worst from some twisted anger against drugs
 
Really? So what is the purpose of a fucking playpen? To contain the child in a safe environment while adults are preoccupied. Is it just as bad to leave a kid in there while everyone is watching football and drinking a couple beers? I'm not sure what you think playpens were designed for but they do what they're intended to do.

If for one second you think that smoking pot endangers my child, you have a severely warped opinion on the matter. I am fully functional while high and many people can attest to this. I can go to the bank or any public place and no one would know. I choose not to drive though because I know it would impair advanced motor skills needed to process the amount of data one does while driving, even if they don't know it's actually happening.

Don't try to school me on what you think you know about my situation. You would have to call the police on half the country if you thought leaving their kid in a playpen is a crime. We have video monitoring so we can see everything that happens. Our three dogs are always around her for protection from potential burglars.

There is a system to this that you're obviously not getting because you're too busy presuming the worst from some twisted anger against drugs

coming from someone, myself, with way too much experience with drugs, your kid comes first. everything else is a distant second. i have no anger against drugs. i find it very hard to believe you need to be high to hang with your kid. i smoked weed daily for years and did the work, school, meetings, etc high and have since given it up in preparation for having kids. spin this whatever way you want, you have a kid. you dont NEED drugs. you CHOOSE them. please, take care of your kid. i have friends who cant have children who would cut off a hand to have one. consider yourself lucky and start assuming some real responsibility. if you need to be high to do everything, something is wrong with you and self rehab aint gonna fix it. im not judging you, my concern is with your kid. a court of law wouldnt say you are fit parents, spin away as much as you want.
 
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