clomid or nolva/pct regimen

[stevesmi]

i cant believe my curiosity started all this,

i posted a thread back in the spring called 'blood tests, not good' it had to do with my PCT coming off a deca cycle.

and it turned into a much bigger war then this one. guys were bant left and right. posts deleted, eventually the entire thread was deleted which was a shame because many guys wanted to watch my progress trying to recover from my deca cycle (deca being one of the tougher steroids to recover from but boy is it good sh*t)

I got advice ranging from "just jump on TRT" to "just let your body recover and dont run another PCT" to "run a SERM" etc etc. i was able to use all that advice and do my own research and figure out a strategy. today after 4 months I am recovered and my body is now producing testosterone on its own. 4 months is DAMN good for a deca cycle.. some guys stay suppressed for months longer. so I am blessed, but what would of happened if i only heard one strategy and anyone who had a differing opinion was banned? i would of been screwed.. what if the only advice i heard was "get on TRT"? i would be mega screwed.

personally i love these types of threads. why? cause we get to debate and share experiences. what bothers me though is if it turns personal, and the guys who dont even cycle giving advice when they dont have any first hand experience cause that is plain dangerous.

Nelson, Ross, Tical, have gone to war many times. they might not know it but I've learned a lot from those threads and its great to be able to pluck what i agree with and don't agree with from both sides. when everyone posts a thread and everyone agrees and there is no debate i smell bullsh*t ESPECIALLY when it comes to PCT and I hope the board keeps the debates going!!! (WITHOUT the insults and the hurt ego's/feelings)

thats what makes this board the best on the net!

 

[Nelson Montana]

i posted a thread back in the spring called 'blood tests, not good' it had to do with my PCT coming off a deca cycle.

and it turned into a much bigger war then this one. guys were bant left and right. posts deleted, eventually the entire thread was deleted which was a shame because many guys wanted to watch my progress trying to recover from my deca cycle (deca being one of the tougher steroids to recover from but boy is it good sh*t)

I got advice ranging from "just jump on TRT" to "just let your body recover and dont run another PCT" to "run a SERM" etc etc. i was able to use all that advice and do my own research and figure out a strategy. today after 4 months I am recovered and my body is now producing testosterone on its own. 4 months is DAMN good for a deca cycle.. some guys stay suppressed for months longer. so I am blessed, but what would of happened if i only heard one strategy and anyone who had a differing opinion was banned? i would of been screwed.. what if the only advice i heard was "get on TRT"? i would be mega screwed.

personally i love these types of threads. why? cause we get to debate and share experiences. what bothers me though is if it turns personal, and the guys who dont even cycle giving advice when they dont have any first hand experience cause that is plain dangerous.

Nelson, Ross, Tical, have gone to war many times. they might not know it but I've learned a lot from those threads and its great to be able to pluck what i agree with and don't agree with from both sides. when everyone posts a thread and everyone agrees and there is no debate i smell bullsh*t ESPECIALLY when it comes to PCT and I hope the board keeps the debates going!!! (WITHOUT the insults and the hurt ego's/feelings)

thats what makes this board the best on the net!

If it were the correct strategy you would have saved a lot of time!

Seriously, it IS a good thing when there's debate. But if anything was learned from this thread (and message boards in general) is that there's a tendency to think that an opposing opinion comes from a lack of knowledge. Often it's different knowledge.

And as un PC as it may be, not all opinions are equally valid. Know who you're talking to. For example, the member Needsize competes on a semi competitive level. If he says something about competing....LISTEN. You don't have to agree but you wouldn't tell him he didn't know what he was talking about.

Common sense guys. And honestly, this site, especially considering the topics, is pretty damn good at it. But if someone gets out of line, it has to be addressed.

Nobody wants to be a dick here. But nobody has the right to be above the rules. And they ain't that strict or hard to keep.

 

[stevesmi]

well said Nelson.

hopefully the debate keeps going and there are no sore feelings towards one another or anyone else in the EF family.. need both you guys on here posting. it would be a major blow to lose either of you.

 

[J_R]

i just want to say i took tical's advice when it came down to it. I bought forma-stanzol and HCGenerate, they're still in the sealed bottles in my medicine cabinet. After reading and listening to his info i got a hold of some clomid and i am about 3 weeks in and feel a lot better than when i started. sex drive isn't the greatest, but i don't want to combine them at this point to see what is working and what isn't. I just think a lot of the stuff that has to do with hating SERMS on this board is to push other products that the people bashing them are selling. that's just my 2 cents but I really don't know jack. so take it for what it is.

 

[Nelson Montana]

i just want to say i took tical's advice when it came down to it. I bought forma-stanzol and HCGenerate, they're still in the sealed bottles in my medicine cabinet. After reading and listening to his info i got a hold of some clomid and i am about 3 weeks in and feel a lot better than when i started. sex drive isn't the greatest, but i don't want to combine them at this point to see what is working and what isn't. I just think a lot of the stuff that has to do with hating SERMS on this board is to push other products that the people bashing them are selling. that's just my 2 cents but I really don't know jack. so take it for what it is.

Realize this -- it doesn't hurt the sales of anything to say CLomid sucks. I recommend a lot of stuff that isn't mine and I recommend drugs where they can help. I say clomid sucks, because it sucks -- as you're discovering with the lack of sex drive.

HCGen should have been used while ON, along with N2GUARD. Afterward, use UNLEASHED, HCG and POST CYCLE, then follow with BRIDGE/.

Proper supp PCT takes a little planning. It isn't like you just use a bottle of one thing or another and evertyhing's cool. But it's not that hard to learn.

 

[J_R]

Realize this -- it doesn't hurt the sales of anything to say CLomid sucks. I recommend a lot of stuff that isn't mine and I recommend drugs where they can help. I say clomid sucks, because it sucks -- as you're discovering with the lack of sex drive.

HCGen should have been used while ON, along with N2GUARD. Afterward, use UNLEASHED, HCG and POST CYCLE, then follow with BRIDGE/.

Proper supp PCT takes a little planning. It isn't like you just use a bottle of one thing or another and evertyhing's cool. But it's not that hard to learn.

I would love for anyone to put into retard terms how it can help to combine HCGenerate with Clomid. I'd at least like to take the stuff so it's not a complete waste of money. And just for the record, I did take HCGenerate on cycle and it helped none whatsoever.

 

[C.K.]

And just for the record, I did take HCGenerate on cycle and it helped none whatsoever.

Didn't help with what? I'm on 2.5 mgs letro a day for gyno right now and have no problems getting it up...

 

[J_R]

Didn't help with what? I'm on 2.5 mgs letro a day for gyno right now and have no problems getting it up...

It did not help my sex drive. That was really the only reason I took the stuff.

 

[C.K.]

Interesting what were you running if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Gamer2Be08]

I would love for anyone to put into retard terms how it can help to combine HCGenerate with Clomid. I'd at least like to take the stuff so it's not a complete waste of money. And just for the record, I did take HCGenerate on cycle and it helped none whatsoever.

Reasons to take HCGen with a SERM:
.HCGenerate will increase free test
.You will have sky rocketed libido
.the 1000mg of testofen will help keep your muscles full and dense

I used it on cycle and I believe it helped me.