clomid or nolva/pct regimen

[tical2]

This thread is classic. A great example of bro-club politics and lobbying at its finest.

I love you Nelson.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've *never* been rudely confrontational in the past. I've always been respectful. I hate board trolls just as much as anyone else. I've only stated my opinions on issues that oppose yours. Do you really believe I'm on some kind of crusade to screw you guys out of a few orders of your products? Please.

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OKAY, HERE WE GO AGAIN.


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You seem to be letting your ego get in the way of valuable discussion.

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BOOM. MY OPINION HAS NO VALUE TO YOU. YOU DECLARED IT;S BECAUSE MY EGOI IS IN THE WAY. I'M NO EVEN GOING TO ADDRESS THIS.

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You say "We need to back up what we say and do."

Ironically, I've been the only one doing (with medical studies) that you either don't know how to comprehend or purposely refer to out of context.


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NOW YOU'RE PISSING ME OFF BRO. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I'M POINTING OUT EXACTLY HOW THEY ARE FLAWED. YOU JUST CUT AND PASTED SOMETHING. I'M NOT SOME FUCK WIT WHO SHOWED UP YESTERDAY. I'VE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR 30 YEARS. I'VE DEALT WITH AND HAVE BEEN ENDORSED BY SOME OF THE BIGGEST NAMES IN THE BUSINESS. I'VE HAD HUNDREDS OF ARTICLE PUBLISHED ON THE TOPIC. STOP THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW.



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Unfortunately, you guys aren't doing this. That is the whole reason I keep running my mouth. I've got no vested interest in who buys what on this board. Where is the backup for what you're saying and doing?

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ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE WITH PEOPLE WHO'VE ACTUALLY USED THE PRODUCTS. HAVE YOU?


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Where is the proof that these products actually work BETTER for PCT on individuals that are shutdown/suppressed from AAS use? PCT is a very serious subject.

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I ALREADY TOLD YOU. YOU JUST WANT TO ANTAGONISTIC NOW.

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You say you need to be held accountable, then be held accountable, show us (not just me, all of your customers) something!!!


-- I don't have the energy to beat a dead horse here. I've said what I had to say. I'm done.


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GOOD.

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[Nelson Montana]

This thread is classic. A great example of bro-club politics and lobbying at its finest.

I love you Nelson.

I'm not sure I get this. Were you just doing some ball breaking for kicks and giggles? If so, let me know next time.

 

[C.K.]

tical you said in another thread that clomid did shit for your libido and it only got better when the pct was over what the hell is so good about it when we have things like hcgenerate and an fuck and feel good all while recovering

 

[Nelson Montana]

tical you said in another thread that clomid did shit for your libido and it only got better when the pct was over what the hell is so good about it when we have things like hcgenerate and an fuck and feel good all while recovering

Thank you. Quick and to the point.

And it also goes to show that some people will argue, not to learn, not to debate, not to add to the mix, but just to argue and act like they know what they're talking about. Even if they know they're wrong.

 

[digit0x]

Ban a 6 year vet for disagreeing? Really?

These discussions are what makes this board legitimate. One person's POV is not flawless. Everyone should read this and ask the questions themselves and do a little research. This is not an exact science. Nothing has been proven to a 100% certainty one way or the other. If it had there would be no argument. Guys like me need this so we can decide for ourselves what's best.

We know the sponsors sell products here don't insult our intelligence. We are here for both products and information.

To answer your question bud, this is what I have extracted from reading these debates for years:


SERMS do work, and likely more effectively than natural sups. However, changes in the body from drugs are NOT sustainable and there are always side effects.

Natural sups may not be as acutely effective as SERMS, but they ARE sustainable and there are rarely sides effects, if any.

Now make a cost benefit based on your cycle, body, and past experience to make your prescription. The heavier and longer the cycle, the more invasive your PCT is going to need to be, and vice-versa.

One thing to remember:
If one option clearly worked better than all other alternatives, WE'D ALL BE DOING IT. This board is fantastic, but you always must keep your salt shaker handy.

Good luck

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ban a 6 year vet for disagreeing? Really?

These discussions are what makes this board legitimate. One person's POV is not flawless. Everyone should read this and ask the questions themselves and do a little research. This is not an exact science. Nothing has been proven to a 100% certainty one way or the other. If it had there would be no argument. Guys like me need this so we can decide for ourselves what's best.

We know the sponsors sell products here don't insult our intelligence. We are here for both products and information.

To answer your question bud, this is what I have extracted from reading these debates for years:


SERMS do work, and likely more effectively than natural sups. However, changes in the body from drugs are NOT sustainable and there are always side effects.

Natural sups may not be as acutely effective as SERMS, but they ARE sustainable and there are rarely sides effects, if any.

Now make a cost benefit based on your cycle, body, and past experience to make your prescription. The heavier and longer the cycle, the more invasive your PCT is going to need to be, and vice-versa.

One thing to remember:
If one option clearly worked better than all other alternatives, WE'D ALL BE DOING IT. This board is fantastic, but you always must keep your salt shaker handy.

Good luck

Nobody is saying there isn't a place for drugs. But that doesn't mean that all drugs are better than all non drugs.

And nobody has a problem with debate. But when people start throwing around terms like; "You're just ignorant" to senior members, that is way, way, way over the line.

And it's not because my feeling are hurt. I could give a fuck. But if one person does it, then another will, and before you know it, there's no mutual respect and the whole thing becomes a big pissing contest.

Me, and George and Rick and Needto and the other vets and mods have worked too hard to make this a great site. It took a long time and I can tell you right now, we're not about to let it turn back to flame-fests and shit talk.

 

[bren565]

Nobody is saying there isn't a place for drugs. But that doesn't mean that all drugs are better than all non drugs.

And nobody has a problem with debate. But when people start throwing around terms like; "You're just ignorant" to senior members, that is way, way, way over the line.

And it's not because my feeling are hurt. I could give a fuck. But if one person does it, then another will, and before you know it, there's no mutual respect and the whole thing becomes a big pissing contest.

Me, and George and Rick and Needto and the other vets and mods have worked too hard to make this a great site. It took a long time and I can tell you right now, we're not about to let it turn back to flame-fests and shit talk.

I didnt realise this was an inflamatory question... i asked him earlier not to say anything like that. but i cant control people... i do not have these powers...
But i just really wanted multiple opinions because even from mods nelson, iv recieved mixed opinions.... you need to realise how torn i am over making a decision lol?! lol....

nolva...
clomid..
nolva... + clomid?
hcg during? no after...
no just post cycleand unleashed + some nolvy...
nope...hcgenerate only bro!

after a while... my pct will legit look like this now ...

post cycle
phyto serms
unleashed
hcgenerate
sustain alpha
formastanzol
toco 8
bridge
clomid 50mg

how can you argue i never said either or i love the supps here.. im USING EM ALL!!! infact.. im kinda curious about low-prolac... you know i love u baby, so dont go thinking other guys are going to mislead my cracka ass.

 

[digit0x]

Nobody is saying there isn't a place for drugs. But that doesn't mean that all drugs are better than all non drugs.

And nobody has a problem with debate. But when people start throwing around terms like; "You're just ignorant" to senior members, that is way, way, way over the line.

And it's not because my feeling are hurt. I could give a fuck. But if one person does it, then another will, and before you know it, there's no mutual respect and the whole thing becomes a big pissing contest.

Me, and George and Rick and Needto and the other vets and mods have worked too hard to make this a great site. It took a long time and I can tell you right now, we're not about to let it turn back to flame-fests and shit talk.

I really don't know all of the history here but all I'm saying is that you (mods vets sponsors) NEED people that disagree with you, not the sycophants. I just hope the quality of information is not being compromised.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I really don't know all of the history here but all I'm saying is that you (mods vets sponsors) NEED people that disagree with you, not the sycophants. I just hope the quality of information is not being compromised.

Nobody has a problem with disagreement. We encourage debate.