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dumb pct duration quest

for pct, just use the clomid for 8-12 weeks... 12.5mg ED

you'll see that you don't need anymore than that after about week 2 when your balls start growing and hanging low from all the LH your pituitary is now producing

don't expect to have a high libido during PCT (thank the clomid for that). if you do, then consider it a bonus. i only say this because a lot of people start to think their pct is not working because they don't have a strong libido while on it. if that happens don't worry, it will fall back into place once you stop.


This is outdated thinking. Why kill your sex drive when you need it the most? Fuck Clomid.

Yes, 6 weeks to not only get the HPTA up but keep it strong. You can stay on UNLEASHED, but switch fro POST CYCLE and HCGEn to BRIDGE. That's what it's for. It'll get you to the next cycle
 
Thanks tical thats what Im gona do I appreciate the wisdom. Would you suggest stopping the hcg at week 8 also or should I keep using the hcg up to and through the last week of being on

Use the hcg during your whole cycle and for 1 or 2 weeks after. Do not use hcg during PCT, it will hinder your recovery. Only use the SERM (Clomid) for PCT. Good luck!
 
This is outdated thinking. Why kill your sex drive when you need it the most? Fuck Clomid.

Yes, 6 weeks to not only get the HPTA up but keep it strong. You can stay on UNLEASHED, but switch fro POST CYCLE and HCGEn to BRIDGE. That's what it's for. It'll get you to the next cycle

This all comes down to personal preference. I personally would rather use what has been medically proven in studies and documented. I just can't trust the latest hyped up product because some bros say it's good shit.

To each his own! If some feel comfortable going that route then by all means be my guest. HPTA balance is just too important for me to chance it.
 
This all comes down to personal preference. I personally would rather use what has been medically proven in studies and documented. I just can't trust the latest hyped up product because some bros say it's good shit.

To each his own! If some feel comfortable going that route then by all means be my guest. HPTA balance is just too important for me to chance it.

But Clomid is not medically proven for anything other than as a female fertility drug.
 
But Clomid is not medically proven for anything other than as a female fertility drug.

C'mon Nelson, you know this isn't true. The entire goal of PCT is to get to the pituitary to release LH into the bloodstream so that the testicles produce testosterone again and the HPTA can reach an equilibrium.

We use the term "shut down" as a euphemism meaning the brain has stopped or lowered the production of LH (due to the presence of steroids) which means our testicles aren't receiving the proper signaling to produce sufficient natural T.

Below are just a couple of medical studies that illustrate the effectiveness of clomid at stimulating the release of LH. The first study even documents this result in 100% of men (out of 178 patients).



Int J Impot Res. 2003 Jun;15(3):156-65.
Clomiphene increases free testosterone levels in men with both secondary hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction: who does and does not benefit?

Guay AT, Jacobson J, Perez JB, Hodge MB, Velasquez E.

Center for Sexual Function (Endocrinology), Peabody, Massachusetts 01960, USA. [email protected]
Abstract

Secondary hypogonadism is more common than primary gonadal failure and is seen in chronic and acute illnesses. Although testosterone has a role in erections, its importance in erectile dysfunction (ED) has been controversial. Hypogonadism produced by functional suppression of pituitary gonadotropins has been shown to correct with Clomiphene citrate, but with a modest effect on sexual function. We wondered if longer treatment would produce improved results. A total of 178 men with secondary hypogonadism and ED received Clomiphene citrate for 4 months. Sexual function improved in 75%, with no change in 25%, while significant increases in luteinizing hormone (P<0.001) and free testosterone (P<0.001) occurred in all patients. Multivariable analysis showed that responses decreased significantly with aging (P<0.05). Decreased responses also occurred in men with diabetes, hypertension, coronary artery disease, and multiple medication use. Since these conditions are more prevalent with aging, chronic disease may be a more important determinant of sexual dysfunction. Men with anxiety-related disorders responded better to normalization of testosterone. Assessment of androgen status should be accomplished in all men with ED. For those with lower than normal age-matched levels of testosterone treatment directed at normalizing testosterone with Clomiphene citrate is a viable alternative to giving androgen supplements.

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J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1995 Dec;80(12):3546-52.
Effect of raising endogenous testosterone levels in impotent men with secondary hypogonadism: double blind placebo-controlled trial with Clomiphene citrate.
Guay AT, Bansal S, Heatley GJ.

Section of Endocrinology, Lahey Clinic, Burlington, Massachusetts 01805, USA.
Abstract
Secondary hypogonadism is not an infrequent abnormality in older patients presenting with the primary complaint of erectile dysfunction. Because of the role of testosterone in mediating sexual desire and erectile function in men, these patients are usually treated with exogenous testosterone, which, while elevating the circulating androgens, suppresses gonadotropins from the hypothalamic-pituitary axis. The response of this form of therapy, although extolled in the lay literature, has usually not been effective in restoring or even improving sexual function. This failure of response could be the result of suppression of gonadotropins or the lack of a cause and effect relationship between sexual function and circulating androgens in this group of patients. Further, because exogenous testosterone can potentially increase the risk of prostate disease, it is important to be sure of the benefit sought, i.e. an increase in sexual function. In an attempt to answer this question, we measured the hormone levels and studied the sexual function in 17 patients with erectile dysfunction who were found to have secondary hypogonadism. This double blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study consisted of treatment with Clomiphene citrate and a placebo for 2 months each. Similar to our previous observations, LH, FSH, and total and free testosterone levels showed a significant elevation in response to Clomiphene citrate over the response to placebo. However, sexual function, as monitored by questionnaires and nocturnal penile tumescence and rigidity testing, did not improve except for some limited parameters in younger and healthier men. The results confirmed that there can be a functional secondary hypogonadism in men on an out-patient basis, but correlation of the hormonal status does not universally reverse the associated erectile dysfunction to normal, thus requiring closer scrutiny of claims of cause and effect relationships between hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction.
 
Is there any benefit to running a pct of 8 weeks instead of 4? Say hcgen, post cycle and unleashed? I know prob a dumb quest just wondering

What you can do is run the hcgenerate,unleashed for 4 weeks. Run forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm for 6 weeks. When then weeks 4-8 run bridge 3 caps a day.. That is a plenty good extended pct..

Bro Nothing wrong with a extended pct and in fact its a damn good thing.
 
I used clomid once.
My libido was high as all hell LMAO.. I got sad for a lot of stupid reasons though lol..
 
what you can do is run the hcgenerate,unleashed for 4 weeks. Run forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm for 6 weeks. When then weeks 4-8 run bridge 3 caps a day.. That is a plenty good extended pct..

Bro nothing wrong with a extended pct and in fact its a damn good thing.




this i will agree on!!!!!!
 
Thanx bros def appreciate the feedback I got my forma n bridge already I just wasnt sure when to switch. I will do everything in my power to never mess up on pct again I stocked up on the stuff before I even started to think about my cycle. Again guys thanks for the feedback much appreciated
 
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