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Bruvstar

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I'm speaking my mind and taking a chance here. I do my best to help when I can, I'm honest, I try to be fair and help.

As do loads of you out there, who deserve a f***ing medal.

I am beginning to get fed up with some REP's and Even Mods, promoting products that are quite frankly rubbish, and sell outs.
If you want to help, REAL opinions and REAL advice help. Lots of people have been emailing me, confused and wondering where their going wrong, because they've got every product from NTBM, Orbit, SUPPS and the rest and wonder why after spending 100's they aren't working.

Not saying they don't work, some of which i've used is great, some on the other hand almost makes things worse. I know i don't speak for myself here. How about easing up on advertising and offering real advice for real people?

I don't expect any replies to this, just read it. And no disrespect to MODS or REPS, I know its your job..But still.
 
Too many look for the magical cure and seem to grab anything without researching what they may need or even understanding their own body.

Wrongun!
 
That's partly the issue yes, but then people take advantage saying year products aren't for noobs and will make you huge, and the
More naive crowd buy into it.

We shouldn't be lowering to that level here. People come here for sound advice and thats not always the case. Although a lot of you are bloody brilliant and have helped me tons.
 
It happens to be a Human right. I've also stated i mean no disrespect. But still don't disagree with you. It's a shame people won't try to resolve a potential problem, rather than exploit people that need genuine help. Would be nice to try sort it. But if it gets closed .. so be it i guess. Just trying to look out for some of the newer guys.
 
Bruvstar said:
I'm speaking my mind and taking a chance here. I do my best to help when I can, I'm honest, I try to be fair and help.

As do loads of you out there, who deserve a f***ing medal.

I am beginning to get fed up with some REP's and Even Mods, promoting products that are quite frankly rubbish, and sell outs.
If you want to help, REAL opinions and REAL advice help. Lots of people have been emailing me, confused and wondering where their going wrong, because they've got every product from NTBM, Orbit, SUPPS and the rest and wonder why after spending 100's they aren't working.

Not saying they don't work, some of which i've used is great, some on the other hand almost makes things worse. I know i don't speak for myself here. How about easing up on advertising and offering real advice for real people?

I don't expect any replies to this, just read it. And no disrespect to MODS or REPS, I know its your job..But still.
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You've been here a month with less than 200 posts, you've done one dbol only cycle, and you've got "lots of people emailing you" for advice? How are they getting your email? And why would they be emailing you anyway?
 
Whats products are rubbish? And what experience have u had with these pct and other products after only one dbol cycle? your fed up with reps and mods? maybe if you knew a bit more your opinions would be heard, your lack of experience shows hence the fact you have done one dbol cycle and then yesterday start inquiring about insulin, the reps advised you on what they think and you get on here and slam them?


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Its not my problem If you don't believe me is it? And pm's...

I'm a heavy contributor. I've always tried to help. Stop being an idiot an tip toeing around the point. Your saying cause I'm new here I don't have the right to raise a valid point?

Over advertising is an issue. If
You want to have an adult debate, and talk about the different points.

That would be far
More sensible and likely to get somewhere?

I've run Tren, test, dbol and a previous Adrol cycle. It's got nothing to do with that.

I did say no disrespect but I'm a post grad, not a retard, I just think it's harsh how SOME reps push people into buying shit? A lot of you are fucking brilliant.
 
I would personally like to no how many orders youve placed with ntbm to form your opinion on the products being rubbish, my guess would be zero


Pain is temporary, glory is forever,
Pm me for information on ntbm products and discounts
NTBM Toll Free Number: ( 1-855-236-6987 )
 
Are we gonna talk about the topic?

Ive placed 5 orders, if you must know. Heavily advised to me, and It certainly didn't do what was promised. It's my fault for buying but being pushed and led into buying it isn't fair.

I don't want to argue, I'm not slamming you. But I think it would be good to talk about it? Clear the air? From reps point of view. And ours.
It's not a vendetta man. So lay off a bit.
 
I understand how you can feel that there is a lot of advertising going on, however, let me say this.. Most of the products advertised on elite work very well. This is America, land of the free and capitalism, we buy and consume. On this site we fit a demographic, it would be silly to not try and market products to a group of people that fit that demographic. It would also be silly to sell "crappy" products that don't work. Needto would be out of business if his products sucked and no one would trust him. However, his products, from beast, katana, to protein bars all do what they say they're going to do. When you take beast you WILL put on 15 pds easy, you would have to starve yourself not to. The quality of that muscle is up to the individuals diet and workout routine. I have a buddy that runs test/tren at 700mgs each per week. He literally puts on no weight bc his diet and workout suck. Does that mean test and tren at those gross amounts don't work? No, it means it doesnt matter what he does, he'll never get big bc his diet/wrkout habits suck, which btw, there are a couple of good forums on here about diet and workout routines, which unfortunately most people overlook because they're searching for a magic pill.

I've been on here 4 1/2 yrs. I've had a sum total of 5 people ask me for advice. I'm not trying to rag you in any way, and I completely respect your point of view, and can even somewhat understand it. But if it wasn't for elite, needto and some of the other mods, i would'nt know a fraction of what I do about juice and lifting. I can also speak from experience that every product i've bought has worked as advertised. Is beast going to make me mr. olympia? No, and its assumed that that's understood by the consumer. Will beast put size on me and make me stronger? Yes.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox.
 
The big difference here is that I don't promote a product that I haven't successfully used myself. I can't speak on some of the companies you mentioned above as I have not used their products. However, I have used alot of the NTBM products with great success. The protein products are excellent. I use the post cycle/unleashed products as a staple for my pct. Hc Generate has kept the boys pumping while on pretty harsh cycles, and I know they work for me. I don't believe in promoting products that I have not used and will continue to use on a regular basis.
 
What you to have both said is fine And I appreciate that. People are getting the wrong end.

This is an opportunity for people with my views to possibly see it from another point of view and likewise for reps. I certainly dont want to annoy any good friends.

And fuck sake i promise you I've had pms and I appreciate them. Get a mod to search my inbox. It's beside the point.

I'm not slating needto at all. I'm generalising. The mods work hard. And fuck, they've helped me
Loads. But shooting the Newbie quote is pathetic and somewhat degrading. So like.. Stop jumping to conclusions.
 
You have to realize that a certain level of advertising NEEDS to be done to keep this board up and running. That being said, every sponsor on this site is LEGIT and I have personally seen what happens to sponsors when they start acting shady or F*** our members over. That shit dont fly here and sponsors will not stay sponsors very long if they're not top notch.

Its a business. It takes money to keep this site going and the sponsors are a huge part of that.

I would like to know as well what SUPPS you or friends have used from our sponsors that didnt do as advertised.

Just because you dont "feel" the supp working like some pre-workout drinks, doesnt mean its not doing what its suppose to. Just an example but would like to know what supps your speaking of.
 
Bruvstar said:
That's partly the issue yes, but then people take advantage saying year products aren't for noobs and will make you huge, and the
More naive crowd buy into it.

We shouldn't be lowering to that level here. People come here for sound advice and thats not always the case. Although a lot of you are bloody brilliant and have helped me tons.
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I beleave in all NTBM's products and would and wil reccomend them. I havent seen what your talkign about..
but if a personthinks they will take sups and get huge thats there own falt.
basics. training and food THEN supps.

I rec a NTBM product in almost every thread askigna bout cycles BECAUSE I BELEVE they will help. but if the person thinks they dotn need ot lift or eat thats there own fault not mine...
 
wcjcMr.O said:
You have to realize that a certain level of advertising NEEDS to be done to keep this board up and running. That being said, every sponsor on this site is LEGIT and I have personally seen what happens to sponsors when they start acting shady or F*** our members over. That shit dont fly here and sponsors will not stay sponsors very long if they're not top notch.

Its a business. It takes money to keep this site going and the sponsors are a huge part of that.

I would like to know as well what SUPPS you or friends have used from our sponsors that didnt do as advertised.

Just because you dont "feel" the supp working like some pre-workout drinks, doesnt mean its not doing what its suppose to. Just an example but would like to know what supps your speaking of.
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^^^ i would like to know also


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Pm me for information on ntbm products and discounts
NTBM Toll Free Number: ( 1-855-236-6987 )
 
and also, without blood work done, its hard to tell if some "supps" are working or not. You cant always go by how you look or feel.
 
Bruvstar said:
Are we gonna talk about the topic?

Ive placed 5 orders, if you must know. Heavily advised to me, and It certainly didn't do what was promised. It's my fault for buying but being pushed and led into buying it isn't fair.

I don't want to argue, I'm not slamming you. But I think it would be good to talk about it? Clear the air? From reps point of view. And ours.
It's not a vendetta man. So lay off a bit.
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idliek toknwo what they are then, because they sdont sell bs. ivplaced an order almost everymonth forover 2 years. ididnt liek soem of the protein flavs at one point. but iv never not been happy with products
 
Vaild point Bruvstar, everyone has their opinion on what works for them...we're never all going to agree with each other...

I will add to the discussion that there's a possibility a lot of new guys are PM-ing you after not using something correctly (which is human nature) and could be forming a clouded opinion...

I personally happen to have has success with NTBM and will recommend NTBM to anyone but the decision is ultimately theirs...

~EZ
 
Right on, I hear you now bro. You're right, there is a boatload of advertising on here and it could be misleading when its in your face all the time. I understand that. I speak in all honesty when I say that all the products i've used on here, from beast , katana, forma, unleashed, post cycle and sustain alpha(remember that one?) have worked. I personally cant use beast anymore bc it gives me headaches like crazy and i can hear my heartbeat in my head but it works.

What products did you get that didn't work?
 
EZ_E said:
Vaild point Bruvstar, everyone has their opinion on what works for them...we're never all going to agree with each other...

I will add to the discussion that there's a possibility a lot of new guys are PM-ing you after not using something correctly (which is human nature) and could be forming a clouded opinion...

I personally happen to have has success with NTBM and will recommend NTBM to anyone but the decision is ultimately theirs...

~EZ
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This too^^^^
 
Also I will add that NTBM has a 100% moneyback gurantee so if you did get somehting that didn't work for you Nathan will refund you no questions asked.
 
ceo said:
You've been here a month with less than 200 posts, you've done one dbol only cycle, and you've got "lots of people emailing you" for advice? How are they getting your email? And why would they be emailing you anyway?
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This.
 
sorry for the random jump in fellas, but at the bottom of the page some one has tagged a keyword as 'bruvstar is a homo' lmao no offence just thought i was funny lol
 
I'm going to ignore the ranting going on. Op has an ok point that is being buried. There is too much advertising BUT elite is the only place I'd accept that from. The top members here (radar, needto, etc) are the backbones of the community AND heavy promoters of said companies/products. If radar says its good, its good. I've been here since like 02 and that's the thing that never changed.

They will immediately stop advertising it, if it becomes garbage. I trust that I know that about elite.

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Bruvstar said:
Its not my problem If you don't believe me is it? And pm's...
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PMs are different from emails. Say what you mean.

Bruvstar said:
I'm a heavy contributor. I've always tried to help.
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You're a heavy contributor in your whole one month here?? And here you are already saying you're "fed up" with reps and mods, saying they (we) need to start offering real advice (like telling your 190 pound dumb ass NOT to use insulin?), and calling sponsors products "rubbish"?

Bruvstar said:
Over advertising is an issue. If You want to have an adult debate, and talk about the different points. That would be far More sensible and likely to get somewhere?
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Is that a question?

Bruvstar said:
I've run Tren, test, dbol and a previous Adrol cycle. It's got nothing to do with that.
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Why did you say you've only done one dbol cycle 3 months ago in another thread then?

Bruvstar said:
I did say no disrespect but I'm a post grad, not a retard, I just think it's harsh how SOME reps push people into buying shit? A lot of you are fucking brilliant.
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I see spelling and grammar weren't your strong subjects. I bet the work you do is all rubbish. You should try doing some real work and offering real advice to people. I saw your almost cut-n-paste article on injection techniques that you changed just a bit enough to make it look like your own...rubbish. Oh, no disrespect though!!

Does that work? That makes it OK, right?

Bruvstar said:
Are we gonna talk about the topic?

Ive placed 5 orders, if you must know. Heavily advised to me, and It certainly didn't do what was promised. It's my fault for buying but being pushed and led into buying it isn't fair.

I don't want to argue, I'm not slamming you. But I think it would be good to talk about it? Clear the air? From reps point of view. And ours. It's not a vendetta man. So lay off a bit.
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Get your money back then. You say people are spending hundreds on products that are rubbish? Tell them to get their fucking money back, and you too. NTBM products have a 100% money back guarantee, even if you use them improperly. Put that higher education to use and call them up or email their support email.

why don't you let us know which products you used that didn't work?
 
I don't have a stake in this. I'm not a mod and I'm not receiving anything as a rep. In fact, I don't even get products. I will say the following, though.

The diet industry in this country is huge business, on which a gross sum of money is spent annually. I remember the first time I tried AAS (good pharma grade) I was stunned by how LITTLE it helped me at the gym. Now, granted I'm female, but the male bodybuilders and powerlifters I hang out with laughed at my surprise at the time. I mean, I was making noticeable gains, but I was shocked that I still had to work hard. In fact, I was working harder!

I guess the point I'm getting at is this: If you're not getting results, it may not be the supplements. Some supplements do help, but perhaps there is something else off with your training (diet or exercise)?

If you are going to use supplements (AAS or not) it's important to make sure you choose the right ones for your body (safety and efficacy are the primary concerns). Yes, ask people here. But look at the ingredients and do some research yourself. PM the people you trust. Make sure you choose something that fits. Before you go trashing someone else's reputation you might want to make sure you haven't just chosen the wrong product for you, aren't using it correctly, or aren't working hard enough/smart enough.

Happy to help via PM if you have any q's. That is, if you trust me... lol.
 
Bruvstar said:
I'm speaking my mind and taking a chance here. I do my best to help when I can, I'm honest, I try to be fair and help.

As do loads of you out there, who deserve a f***ing medal.

I am beginning to get fed up with some REP's and Even Mods, promoting products that are quite frankly rubbish, and sell outs.
If you want to help, REAL opinions and REAL advice help. Lots of people have been emailing me, confused and wondering where their going wrong, because they've got every product from NTBM, Orbit, SUPPS and the rest and wonder why after spending 100's they aren't working.

Not saying they don't work, some of which i've used is great, some on the other hand almost makes things worse. I know i don't speak for myself here. How about easing up on advertising and offering real advice for real people?

I don't expect any replies to this, just read it. And no disrespect to MODS or REPS, I know its your job..But still.
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WHat I would like to know is where the fuck are these people??
You talk to 10 people this week if your lucky/.,. I talked to 1000 in a day and why am I not seeing what you are? Why am I not getting one single person saying what you are right now?

Now I have also seen hundreds of thousands of people do things hundreds of thousands of different ways and still have problems. Everyone is different. You have to find what works for you in every aspect. Now you coming here and shitting on this site the way you are is pissing me off to be honest...

I sure as fuck hope you got at least a few of these so cold people your talking about to come into this thread and validate what you just said. Because you got 5 hours to prove it otherwise I am banning you for flat out lying.
 
browngear said:
This thread will last about 20 mins.... you can't have freedom of speech brah.. this is the internet
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Lmao... That is totally wrong. As long as he is not to out of line I think a Bias opinion is worth its weight in gold my friend. If we all agreed it be pretty damn boring around here lol...

Its when you out right attack people that you get banned or the thread gets deleted. The starter of this thread is getting pretty damn close to this and I sure hope the so called " hundreds" of people he has been talking to are ready to come back him up... O and they also better have more then 2 post and a 2011 join date. Anyone can create 10 alters and talk to him self with them bwaahahahaa
 
To be honest thank god for this fucking thread. I been going out of my mind bored. Bruvstar please tell me you got half a brain and can back up the bull shit your speaking... I need a intelligent debate badly... So now please tell me what advice have I given some one that you had to correct ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! Please o great one teach me.. Or at least entertain me
 
Wrongun said:
Too many look for the magical cure and seem to grab anything without researching what they may need or even understanding their own body.

Wrongun!
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You know Wronggun I at least respect. Rather then make large broad statements he will debate a subject and put forth intelligent arguments most of the time. He has managed to not get banned even though he completely disagrees with most of the norm here. He is a shinning example of prof that you do not have to agree with anyone or anything around here to be a member of this site... All you have to do is know the line of respect and how not to cross it.

Wronggun is the ying in my yang lol..
 
ceo said:
You've been here a month with less than 200 posts, you've done one dbol only cycle, and you've got "lots of people emailing you" for advice? How are they getting your email? And why would they be emailing you anyway?
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bwahahaha ...
 
Damn!! Sub'd to this. I love a good ol' fashion debate. Lol. Now if only the op would come back with some good arguments and proof. Hahaha he has awaken the beast! Go easy on him needto he's doing enough damage to his credibility already. Lol
 
Bruvstar said:
What you to have both said is fine And I appreciate that. People are getting the wrong end.

This is an opportunity for people with my views to possibly see it from another point of view and likewise for reps. I certainly dont want to annoy any good friends.

And fuck sake i promise you I've had pms and I appreciate them. Get a mod to search my inbox. It's beside the point.

I'm not slating needto at all. I'm generalising. The mods work hard. And fuck, they've helped me
Loads. But shooting the Newbie quote is pathetic and somewhat degrading. So like.. Stop jumping to conclusions.
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I have earned my keep friend. You have any clue how many hours of my life I have invested into helping other people?

You come here and you have no fucking clue who I am or what I am about. I founded Needtobuildmuscle in 2009 and I been here 4 years before that day.. You do the fucking math!!!!!!!!!!! You have not even scratched the god damn tip of what I have done. You got a few pm's and think your the next prodigy or savor of elite? Get a clue and come back to reality kid. You got about 30 years to invest before you even have half the amount of time invested into this site let alone this entire industry that I have..

You walk into any forum on steroids and mention me. You can bet your ass it will get a reaction. Walk into that same forum and say your name and what happens? Not a fucking thing...tumble weeds and crickets.

Have some fucking respect!!! I think I have more then earned it.
 
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Bruvstar said:
Are we gonna talk about the topic?

Ive placed 5 orders, if you must know. Heavily advised to me, and It certainly didn't do what was promised. It's my fault for buying but being pushed and led into buying it isn't fair.

I don't want to argue, I'm not slamming you. But I think it would be good to talk about it? Clear the air? From reps point of view. And ours.
It's not a vendetta man. So lay off a bit.
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Ok than please explain what it was you bought and what you used it for, how you used it .. I need to know more. Also I would like for you to send me a pm with the name you used on the billing. Because I already used your email from this account on ef and so far I am not seeing any orders from you...

If you used the products correctly then You do know I have a 100% money back policy right? We stand behind all of our products with our 100% money back return policy. Other companies talk a good talk but we walk the walk. If you are not happy no matter what return your product for a refund.

So now all you have to do is show me your orders and I will refund them. But I would much rather learn what did not work for you, how you used it. Lets get down to the root of things and learn here.

Every product I make does exactly what I say it will do. When I advice some one its like 99.99% always spot on and exactly what the person needed...I am willing to bet you ether used the products wrong, for the wrong reasons, or something along these lines if you even ordered at all. Ill give you a refund regardless though because that is who I am.

But you my friend have no damn clue right now. You have no Idea who I am and what I do for people. You seem to think its all about the money well sorry friend I been helping the members of this site for 4 years before I ever made a single dime here. I could give a shit less about money. Long as I got enough to pay my bills thats all I need. The rest I give back to the people of this site, other sites, family and friends anyone I think is in need. Your accusations are insulting. And clearly show how little you know.
 
Guarentee he didnt order shit needto


Pain is temporary, glory is forever,
Pm me for information on ntbm products and discounts
NTBM Toll Free Number: ( 1-855-236-6987 )
 
hydez27 said:
Guarentee he didnt order shit needto


Pain is temporary, glory is forever,
Pm me for information on ntbm products and discounts
NTBM Toll Free Number: ( 1-855-236-6987 )
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I am betting the same damn thing. And here I was thinking I may learn something new today... Fuck what a waste of my time this thread was. Some some post something amusing at least.
 
Hell I've been watching and reading and scared to say anything. I don't want the wrath to come down on me and punch me in my ass..... Ha ha ha for what it's worth I've gotten several different products from ntbm and loved every one of them. Worked exactly the way it was advertised and spoken of. I've very pleased and happy. I got a friend today to buy two things of ntkts after I let him try mine. So that's my two cents.
 
Hes gone he must be out organising his insulin


Pain is temporary, glory is forever,
Pm me for information on ntbm products and discounts
NTBM Toll Free Number: ( 1-855-236-6987 )
 
Hey OP or should i call you mr Bigmouth, i have over 23,000 Posts ,i was training before you were even born, True over the yrs i have taken every kind of crap out there and none of it did as the manifacturers claimed, I get 30-40 pms daily either thanking me for my help or offering advice, Finally we have a legit supplier NTBM and hell yeah! i have tried everything they carry and have not been disappointed with none of them so either put up or shut up if you can't back what you say!
I don't like people who leave poop everywhere without cleaning it up!
 
Radar is the MAN. I am no Lemming but if Radar said do x vs y, I do it. Radar, thanks for answering all those PMs by the way! =)
 
I have to say I am disappointed in this bruvstar. How are you going to start a war and not stay to fight. You cant just call someone out and not back it up. That is completely gutless.

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This thread is comedy! I'm waiting for bruvstar to chime in again...or he just got his ass punked by needto! NTBM products that don't work? Would like to hear a product name myself...name it and I will go to my cabinet and try it now LOL!
 
Shoulda guessed that when someone slates every else needs
To jump on board the train to feel loved.

Genuinely wanted to clear up some shit, but without Internet rage and insults being thrown about it can't happen can it. Mature....

I appreciate that some people were trying.

I'm retiring this thread. Seems asthough it's a total waste of time.


One valid point was made which certainly has chained
Y view though.

A certain amount of ads need to be done, and they'd only let that happen at elite. Makes sense to me... Fair, valid point.

Anywho no disrespect to any mods or reps (even though some of you were total assholes with no good intention All through the thread.) it wasn't a topic to slam or slate you. Just discuss some points that keep poppin up.

I'm out.
 
Bruvstar said:
Shoulda guessed that when someone slates every else needs
To jump on board the train to feel loved.

Genuinely wanted to clear up some shit, but without Internet rage and insults being thrown about it can't happen can it. Mature....

I appreciate that some people were trying.

I'm retiring this thread. Seems asthough it's a total waste of time.


One valid point was made which certainly has chained
Y view though.

A certain amount of ads need to be done, and they'd only let that happen at elite. Makes sense to me... Fair, valid point.

Anywho no disrespect to any mods or reps (even though some of you were total assholes with no good intention All through the thread.) it wasn't a topic to slam or slate you. Just discuss some points that keep poppin up.

I'm out.
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Putting everything aside bro. If what you say is true I really do want to try and help you. I would at the very least like to get you a refund for any products you got from me that you feel did not live up to what I said it would do. So I will be waiting for that prof of purchase... You did make a purchase right? I would think anyone would jump at the chance to get their money back....
 
Yes, please do name the products. Needto would like to offer you a 100% refund on the products you were not satisfied with. Of course you will have to prove you actually ordered them. My guess is that you can't do that, or you would have gotten your money back by now.

One more chance to prove yourself bro. Otherwise you're just a trolling liar. It's cool, we get plenty of them here. They don't last much longer than a month either.
 
overgreen said:
Hell I've been watching and reading and scared to say anything. I don't want the wrath to come down on me and punch me in my ass..... Ha ha ha for what it's worth I've gotten several different products from ntbm and loved every one of them. Worked exactly the way it was advertised and spoken of. I've very pleased and happy. I got a friend today to buy two things of ntkts after I let him try mine. So that's my two cents.
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This is what anyone who has reallu bought products from Needtobuildmuscle would say. They would ether say this ^^^^ or they would say " it was not for me but I got a refund"

Needtobuildmuscle has a 98 percent customer return rate and the other 2 percent is new customers who have not come back yet. When we make a customer we keep them for life!!! That is a fact.

Misinformation is the only reason I can think of that anyone of our products did not live up to clams made.. I can see one maybe even two products not working for some one. I can see some one having a adverse reaction to one of the products or a ingredient in them ..


But to say you have used like 5 different products and not a single on of them worked for you? Well I just have to call you a liar I am sorry you have to be lying... Of using every product the wrong way at all the wrong times.
 
needtogetaas said:
Putting everything aside bro. If what you say is true I really do want to try and help you. I would at the very least like to get you a refund for any products you got from me that you feel did not live up to what I said it would do. So I will be waiting for that prof of purchase... You did make a purchase right? I would think anyone would jump at the chance to get their money back....
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The products he referred to he called, "rubbish". I looked all over your site bro, but I didn't see you selling anything called "rubbish".

I'm sure he will come back in here though and set things straight. I mean, this guy wouldn't lie...he's a "post grad", and a "heavy contributor", definitely not a newbie.
 
ceo said:
yes, please do name the products. Needto would like to offer you a 100% refund on the products you were not satisfied with. Of course you will have to prove you actually ordered them. My guess is that you can't do that, or you would have gotten your money back by now.

One more chance to prove yourself bro. Otherwise you're just a trolling liar. It's cool, we get plenty of them here. They don't last much longer than a month either.
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ding ding ding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I've got nothing to prove this is petty.

The complaint was from
NeedTo. I've purchased from SUPPS.

This is Actually starting to become
More like a trolling thread? Setting a nice example. Dudes. I'm not replying anymore. I'm not here to argue or bitch.

Ive tried apologising, setting it straight. Continued to get abused.
Just wanted to have a decent talk with some decent guys. Not slam.

Won't be replying
To this thread anymore.
 
Bruvstar said:
I've got nothing to prove this is petty.

The complaint was from
NeedTo. I've purchased from SUPPS.

This is Actually starting to become
More like a trolling thread? Setting a nice example. Dudes. I'm not replying anymore. I'm not here to argue or bitch.

Ive tried apologising, setting it straight. Continued to get abused.
Just wanted to have a decent talk with some decent guys. Not slam.

Won't be replying
To this thread anymore.
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This ain't how it works troll. You don't get to come here and make a thread calling out our sponsors, naming ntbm, orbit and MRSupps, telling us you've made 5 orders from ntbm and nothing did what was promised, then when you get called out on it as bullshit, and asked to prove you even made an order and you will get a 100% refund, try to play a victim like you're just a good bro, looking out for the members here and just back out of the bullshit, lying, callout, sponsor and mod bashing thread YOU MADE. No sir.

You came here for the very purpose of trying to spread this bullshit. You want to know who really looks out for the members here? The mods and admin, that's who. Not some one month, one cycle, 200 post having little 190 pound wanting to use insulin to get to 220 by August, pussy like you. Fuck you pal. You had your chance to prove you weren't a complete liar and it's over.

You're right, you won't be replying to this thread anymore...or any other thread here.
 
Your probably to busy answering pm,s to reply anymore ay bigtime


Pain is temporary, glory is forever,
Pm me for information on ntbm products and discounts
NTBM Toll Free Number: ( 1-855-236-6987 )
 
I'm so disappointed that theres no proof Maybe you bought a counterfeit product off of amazom or E Bay , when you got a good thing going ,scammers are definetely wanting piece of the cake!
 
ceo said:
This ain't how it works troll. You don't get to come here and make a thread calling out our sponsors, naming ntbm, orbit and MRSupps, telling us you've made 5 orders from ntbm and nothing did what was promised, then when you get called out on it as bullshit, and asked to prove you even made an order and you will get a 100% refund, try to play a victim like you're just a good bro, looking out for the members here and just back out of the bullshit, lying, callout, sponsor and mod bashing thread YOU MADE. No sir.

You came here for the very purpose of trying to spread this bullshit. You want to know who really looks out for the members here? The mods and admin, that's who. Not some one month, one cycle, 200 post having little 190 pound wanting to use insulin to get to 220 by August, pussy like you. Fuck you pal. You had your chance to prove you weren't a complete liar and it's over.

You're right, you won't be replying to this thread anymore...or any other thread here.
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Not one single pm sent to me to get a refund? Ya this guy was here just to start trouble and I bet I know where he came from too... I'm betting Iron fag forums thats my bet. God if you are going to say you made a order with me I do not give a flying fuck what site you say it on.. You better be ready to post the prof. I will call you on it, my Team will call you on it they have been trained to do so because 99.99 percent of the time when some one makes a thread like this they have never even used a single product I sell. I see this bull shit so many times I lost count. We all have...

But I knew this thread was a troll thread the second I laid eyes on it. But just in case bro 978 378 4266 is my direct line , call me give me the name you used on the billing and I will refund your ghost order for you lmao...

OOOO you ordered from Mrsupps.com??? No your didn't I ran a check on your IP and email on that site to ( I own it you numbskull) and you have no orders on that store ether. If I give your email to orbit I bet you have no order with him ether. Next time at least make 1 order with me so you can back up your lies.
 
You should have known when you made this thread that you kicked the top off of a fire ant bed ,all hell breaks loose.

Just in case some of yall aren't familar with fire ants ,you get a million of them and they are out for blood!
 
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Dude are u serious?I couldnt agree less.I advise people to use these places because i use them myself, i have massive loads of their supps on my homemade book shelves to prove it, if u would like to see it friend, i can take pictures .I also have seen alot of sponsors come and go in my days here at elite..And i can honestly say the two very best we have had has been needtobuildmuscle and orbitnutrition.They hold more sales then any other sponsors we have had in my stay here...They offer discount codes like candy and whenever ef decides to throw contests or giveaways ntbm n orbit are always the first sponsors to step up and support the members offering free prizes and help getting the contest off the ground.This is all besides the simple fact that they sell top of the line products.We are very lucky to have both of them aboard.This place wouldnt be the same without them actually and i am very thankful to have their reliability on ef.If u were going to pick sponsors past or present to attack, u sure picked the wrong one's brother.
 
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bigpokey said:
lol fuk me this was awesome

wouldn't name one product lmfao
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I'm betting he was counting on me not being around to see this thread. However even without me look how not one single person agrees with him. O except the one post wounder in the first 3 post but I think that mite just be him talking to him self I am not positive yet ...

Sorry to brake the bad news to ya but I am going to be around a lot more like I used to be. Im back to posting on the forums and I may even shut my pm's off and force people to make threads to me if they want to talk to me... We need some energy on these forums ...

Great thread though.. SHows how much support the sponsors of this site have from our members. You know any other site that trust its leadership this much? or loves all its sponsors this much?
 
We had this sponsor iron fags (spelled with m not f) once. Man am I glad we got rid of them they sucked balls. Bitch could not even pay his own reps. Than bitched because they asked for a job working with me .. Now that is just pathetic...

If you make a promise to pay some one for the work they do and then you break that promise. Well thats shows dishonesty in my book and just about everyone else too. I would not trust anything with that name on it..
 
And so it ends....couldn't wait to get up today to check in on this thread...

~EZ
 
Bruvstar said:
I've got nothing to prove this is petty.

The complaint was from
NeedTo. I've purchased from SUPPS.

This is Actually starting to become
More like a trolling thread? Setting a nice example. Dudes. I'm not replying anymore. I'm not here to argue or bitch.

Ive tried apologising, setting it straight. Continued to get abused.
Just wanted to have a decent talk with some decent guys. Not slam.

Won't be replying
To this thread anymore.
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You kinda do gotta prove what supps dont hold up to there claims. That was the point of the thread wasn't it? And the mods who are giving out bad, and mis leading info. I would honestly like to hear a valid product review from someone who did not feel these products were useful. From what I read on here everyone else seems to be happy with the products from needto. When you took the products did you use them as intended? If you take a ph, steriod, creatine etc. You still have to eat and train hard to reap the benefits. Im not saying you have to come on here and argue with people, but if you make a claim show some proof and explain to everyone what the issue is.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using EliteFitness
 
EZ_E said:
And so it ends....couldn't wait to get up today to check in on this thread...

~EZ
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Ya I was hoping for more man I really was. This thread was a let down. I hope the next troll brings better game. Plans ahead and brings something to the table.. This whole thing was poorly executed at best.
 
just read the ENTIRE thread and you never mentioned what products you bought except they were from mr supps. hard to believe you bought 5 products from there and tried them all in a month.. in fact it is IMPOSSIBLE you could have run beastdrol, kata, etc etc all in a months time. but why don't you say what you used so we can help you use it right. you obviously weren't using it as it was directed.

also I would of never recommended you use any of those mr. supps products unless I felt you had your diet and workouts down pat and I would never recommend you use any of those products incorrectly and if you are under 21.. and on the supps forum i tell guys under 18 to improve their diets (not gonna get big on doritos and hot dogs) and not take any supplements except some whey protein or some of the other supps.. i never recommend they touch anything stronger than that!!
 
Ntbm, mr supps and orbit are the only companies I trust in providing me with kick ass supplements and awesome customer service and will continue to be a customer as long as I continue my endeavours with this fuckin great sport.

All of the mods and reps are steering us in the right direction and it's up to us to research these products they recommend and decide if the products are right for us.


To the OP to come on here and bash the products well that's just unacceptable behaviour.

If you wanted to have a mature debate well then you should not have opened up on your first post stating that these products which by the way you have not named are "shit".
Yep that's real mature.
 
Word on the street is the OP is in the process of making an alter and then coming back with a vengeance.. just figured I would warn you guys so you could be ready
 
So you get on to tell us that NeedTo's products don't work, and you can't provide us with any like, details whatsoever?

I have experience with a lot of their products, almost all of them worked as advertised (HCGenerate even better than advertised).

HCGenerate gives you fat balls, and a raging libido, and I plan on using it on-cycle as well.

Better Protein Bars = Excellent and fing delicious

Unleashed = Definitely did something for my natty test, I've never gotten levels tested, so I can only go off of raised libido, more energy, focus, etc.

Thats off the top of my head.

Oh, the Ice Cream Sandwich flavored Whey, tasted like butt, but it was still protein, so I used it up. Oh well.

You've had this dumb thread going for how many posts bro, and you can't even mention a single product by name? Or even like, a small anecdote of any kind?
 
I can't believe how much millage this thread got. We should have a new rule -- if you haven't tried something, you're not allowed to knock it. Make sense? It'll cut down on 99% of these types of troll threads.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I can't believe how much millage this thread got. We should have a new rule -- if you haven't tried something, you're not allowed to knock it. Make sense? It'll cut down on 99% of these types of troll threads.
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I was wondering if you were gonna get in on this. :D I agree you Nelson cannot knock something you have never tried! I knew when he wouldn't name the product that he was full of shit! LOL
 
Gunslinger007 said:
So you get on to tell us that NeedTo's products don't work, and you can't provide us with any like, details whatsoever?

I have experience with a lot of their products, almost all of them worked as advertised (HCGenerate even better than advertised).

HCGenerate gives you fat balls, and a raging libido, and I plan on using it on-cycle as well.

Better Protein Bars = Excellent and fing delicious

Unleashed = Definitely did something for my natty test, I've never gotten levels tested, so I can only go off of raised libido, more energy, focus, etc.

Thats off the top of my head.

Oh, the Ice Cream Sandwich flavored Whey, tasted like butt, but it was still protein, so I used it up. Oh well.

You've had this dumb thread going for how many posts bro, and you can't even mention a single product by name? Or even like, a small anecdote of any kind?
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You don't like the ice cream sandwich man?? What the hell is wrong with you that is my fav.. That and the Rocky rode .. o and the Banana... Anyway When it comes to protein everyone has different taste buds. We have a flavor for everyone and you can get 3 samples of any flavor for the price of shipping 7.00 just go to our store and find the sampler pack
 
This thread is rediculous...they guy has all the people asking him for help and he has been here like a month????? Anyway...the products anyone here with any reasonable reputation discusses and stand behind are products that work. You know how many years and how much money I blew on products that were supposed to work???? GNC was and is the bigtgest scammer of all...JO Weider! So, do I discuss NTBM, Orbit and anyone esle that I stand behind?? YOUR DAMN RIGHT! Becuase I use their products daily and get results. I want people here ot know where to get quality and not aste time and money......EASY AS THAT MY FRIEND!
 
I can say this. I bought a product from N2BM about 2 months ago. Not going to say which, doesn't matter, but it didn't work out like I thought it should so I emailed need2 last week, we had a few emails back and fourth about why it probably didn't work for me and asked me If I wanted a refund. I told him I prefer credit to his store. Why?? Cause I have tried a dozen of this products and they have worked great for me. Except thy one product. I can't think of one other product that didn't work great for me from his store... Thanks again need2.. 5 star service, great guy too... Btw he gave me a great reason why it didn't work out. I told him some of the things that I experienced. So thank you for passing on your knowledge
 
Very dissapointing he was asked numerous times what product and he avoided the question i guarentee hes never tried the products and is a troll


Pain is temporary, glory is forever,
Pm me for information on ntbm products and discounts
NTBM Toll Free Number: ( 1-855-236-6987 )
 
I know this thread is useless and the dude is already banned... But i have to agree and this disagree with him..

Mods are advertising products wayyyyyy too much (its their job and they do it to make some dough), everytime someone ask what you take or whats the best, Almost every mod and rep for this site say needto or other sponsor from this site they never mention any other company, and everyone is just falling for this buy this shit, now i have never bought anything from this site or the sponsor from here cause i really dont need anything other than creatine and whey protein which i get from my local store or bodybuilding . com..

What i disagree is that the dude never used any of hes products and dont have proof to back it up, also the needto guy said he will refund you but you never respond or accept his refund..

So the dude got a point, but hes point is useless without proof..
 
needtogetaas said:
You don't like the ice cream sandwich man?? What the hell is wrong with you that is my fav.. That and the Rocky rode .. o and the Banana... Anyway When it comes to protein everyone has different taste buds. We have a flavor for everyone and you can get 3 samples of any flavor for the price of shipping 7.00 just go to our store and find the sampler pack
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Maybe I just got a bad batch, it had like a fake chemical flavoring taste to it, not sure what that was about. The other protein flavors are awesome though. I'm getting some sample packets in my next order (btw thanks for the extra samples you guys always put in with every order) Rocky Road is #1 on my hit list, because I have yet to find a protein powder that does that flavor justice, pulling for NTBM on this one ;)
 
Iron Warrior707 said:
I know this thread is useless and the dude is already banned... But i have to agree and this disagree with him..

Mods are advertising products wayyyyyy too much (its their job and they do it to make some dough), everytime someone ask what you take or whats the best, Almost every mod and rep for this site say needto or other sponsor from this site they never mention any other company, and everyone is just falling for this buy this shit, now i have never bought anything from this site or the sponsor from here cause i really dont need anything other than creatine and whey protein which i get from my local store or bodybuilding . com..

What i disagree is that the dude never used any of hes products and dont have proof to back it up, also the needto guy said he will refund you but you never respond or accept his refund..

So the dude got a point, but hes point is useless without proof..
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Bingo . . . and I think he was trying to make that point and badly shanked it, so anything valid got ripped.

Too bad . . . he wrote one of the best articles on pinning that I've read ANYWHERE for EF folks on this forum, and now its been "owned". It was very, very thorough.

If like 9 mods jump on your thread, you probably made a "tactical error", and you'll be looking for a new board soon.
 
Iron Warrior707 said:
I know this thread is useless and the dude is already banned... But i have to agree and this disagree with him..

Mods are advertising products wayyyyyy too much (its their job and they do it to make some dough), everytime someone ask what you take or whats the best, Almost every mod and rep for this site say needto or other sponsor from this site they never mention any other company, and everyone is just falling for this buy this shit, now i have never bought anything from this site or the sponsor from here cause i really dont need anything other than creatine and whey protein which i get from my local store or bodybuilding . com..

What i disagree is that the dude never used any of hes products and dont have proof to back it up, also the needto guy said he will refund you but you never respond or accept his refund..

So the dude got a point, but hes point is useless without proof..
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"Wayyyyy too much" according to what???? I don't work for NTBM, Mr. Supps, Chemical Need, and I don't make a dime off this board, nor do I need anyone telling me I'm "falling" for anything.....the 1st guy is banned cuz he had a big mouth and nothing to back it up, saying we promote products "wayyy too much" after having NEVER used them is the SAME DAMN THING...

~EZ
 
Iron Warrior707 said:
I know this thread is useless and the dude is already banned... But i have to agree and this disagree with him..

Mods are advertising products wayyyyyy too much (its their job and they do it to make some dough), everytime someone ask what you take or whats the best, Almost every mod and rep for this site say needto or other sponsor from this site they never mention any other company, and everyone is just falling for this buy this shit, now i have never bought anything from this site or the sponsor from here cause i really dont need anything other than creatine and whey protein which i get from my local store or bodybuilding . com..

What i disagree is that the dude never used any of hes products and dont have proof to back it up, also the needto guy said he will refund you but you never respond or accept his refund..

So the dude got a point, but hes point is useless without proof..
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lol at bodybuilding.com.. fuckin noob site.

mods don't get paid to advertise any site .. we have sponsors of the site that help support the site and allow guys like you who have very little knowledge (judging by your past posts) to get free help.

if you don't want to buy from the sponsors then thats your business, but you are wasting your money for inferior quality.

NTBM creatine is far better and far cheaper then the crap you bought off bb.com, and the whey protein you bought probably is full of sugar, fillers, and soy. read the ingredients. bb.com is for noobs bro, the guys that wear the bb shirts at my gym are clueless and i usually laugh at them.
 
I've seen a couple mods from other forums mention NTBM and Mrsupps products and say they are the few supps out there that actually deliver what they promise and quality. Both aren't sponsors of those places. That should tell people something about those products. They have no reason to promote them except for the fact they work and are the shit!
 
stevesmi said:
lol at bodybuilding.com.. fuckin noob site.

mods don't get paid to advertise any site .. we have sponsors of the site that help support the site and allow guys like you who have very little knowledge (judging by your past posts) to get free help.

if you don't want to buy from the sponsors then thats your business, but you are wasting your money for inferior quality.

NTBM creatine is far better and far cheaper then the crap you bought off bb.com, and the whey protein you bought probably is full of sugar, fillers, and soy. read the ingredients. bb.com is for noobs bro, the guys that wear the bb shirts at my gym are clueless and i usually laugh at them.
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Those are probably the same squirts that go to my gym day after day they keep doing their same workouts and look the same when they first joined!
 
Iron Warrior707 said:
I know this thread is useless and the dude is already banned... But i have to agree and this disagree with him..

Mods are advertising products wayyyyyy too much (its their job and they do it to make some dough), everytime someone ask what you take or whats the best, Almost every mod and rep for this site say needto or other sponsor from this site they never mention any other company, and everyone is just falling for this buy this shit, now i have never bought anything from this site or the sponsor from here cause i really dont need anything other than creatine and whey protein which i get from my local store or bodybuilding . com..

What i disagree is that the dude never used any of hes products and dont have proof to back it up, also the needto guy said he will refund you but you never respond or accept his refund..

So the dude got a point, but hes point is useless without proof..
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i was using ntbm and orbit products before i was a mod or rep or anything and was paying out of my own pocket..I advise them because thats what i would use myself and i think they are great products.I dont advise products i dont think are good to anybody
U have it wrong my friend
 
Hmmmm now point of this thread was to have a pop at ntbm an products but its had opposite effect as the cock sprocket has got me reading all the glowing reports felow lifters are giving the gear an now i want it all,any uk stores??or just order frm website with shipping as damm this shit sounds like new weapons for my arsnel
 
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Wow i only just posted that comment an i got 357 emails not pms asking me for advice as im huuuuuuuuge hahahahaha cok sprocket stick to sniffin fridge magnets
 
vocor said:
Bingo . . . and I think he was trying to make that point and badly shanked it, so anything valid got ripped.

Too bad . . . he wrote one of the best articles on pinning that I've read ANYWHERE for EF folks on this forum, and now its been "owned". It was very, very thorough.

If like 9 mods jump on your thread, you probably made a "tactical error", and you'll be looking for a new board soon.
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That article he "wrote" was a copy/paste that he altered just enough to make it seem like it was his, but it wasn't.

He hasn't even performed all the various injections he described. Shit, he was scared to do a SubQ injection.
 
stevesmi said:
lol at bodybuilding.com.. fuckin noob site.

mods don't get paid to advertise any site .. we have sponsors of the site that help support the site and allow guys like you who have very little knowledge (judging by your past posts) to get free help.

if you don't want to buy from the sponsors then thats your business, but you are wasting your money for inferior quality.

NTBM creatine is far better and far cheaper then the crap you bought off bb.com, and the whey protein you bought probably is full of sugar, fillers, and soy. read the ingredients. bb.com is for noobs bro, the guys that wear the bb shirts at my gym are clueless and i usually laugh at them.
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I agree with you on the bodybuilding thing being retareded, i dont give a shit about that site and i dont have an account there. i just think the products are reasonbly priced and i only buy my creatine from that site, I have tried belive it or not 4 diffrent brands of creatine mono and 3 of them almost had no effect and the other one was okay, but the one im using is AST MIcronized creatine mono and just by looking at the texture its the highest quality creatine EVER, the powder is so fine like baking soda and mixes good, I had the most success with this creatine..
I buy the protein from costco it 4.4lb for 45$ which is very cheap compared to other stroes which charge 90$ just for an isoalte,This protein is cheap and its 100% isoalte here are thw ingredients..
Undenatured cross flow microfiltration whey isoalte, cocoa, natural flavors with stevia, soy lecithin, sucralose..

Per scoop which is big
Calories 150
fat 0.5
sat 0
Chol 0
Carbs 1
Sugar0.5
Protein 35

45 bucks for 4.4lb cheap work just like the 90$ protein from other stores..
 
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