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[bluetoolpaul]

I understand how you can feel that there is a lot of advertising going on, however, let me say this.. Most of the products advertised on elite work very well. This is America, land of the free and capitalism, we buy and consume. On this site we fit a demographic, it would be silly to not try and market products to a group of people that fit that demographic. It would also be silly to sell "crappy" products that don't work. Needto would be out of business if his products sucked and no one would trust him. However, his products, from beast, katana, to protein bars all do what they say they're going to do. When you take beast you WILL put on 15 pds easy, you would have to starve yourself not to. The quality of that muscle is up to the individuals diet and workout routine. I have a buddy that runs test/tren at 700mgs each per week. He literally puts on no weight bc his diet and workout suck. Does that mean test and tren at those gross amounts don't work? No, it means it doesnt matter what he does, he'll never get big bc his diet/wrkout habits suck, which btw, there are a couple of good forums on here about diet and workout routines, which unfortunately most people overlook because they're searching for a magic pill.

I've been on here 4 1/2 yrs. I've had a sum total of 5 people ask me for advice. I'm not trying to rag you in any way, and I completely respect your point of view, and can even somewhat understand it. But if it wasn't for elite, needto and some of the other mods, i would'nt know a fraction of what I do about juice and lifting. I can also speak from experience that every product i've bought has worked as advertised. Is beast going to make me mr. olympia? No, and its assumed that that's understood by the consumer. Will beast put size on me and make me stronger? Yes.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox.

 

[obsessedwliftin]

The big difference here is that I don't promote a product that I haven't successfully used myself. I can't speak on some of the companies you mentioned above as I have not used their products. However, I have used alot of the NTBM products with great success. The protein products are excellent. I use the post cycle/unleashed products as a staple for my pct. Hc Generate has kept the boys pumping while on pretty harsh cycles, and I know they work for me. I don't believe in promoting products that I have not used and will continue to use on a regular basis.

 

[Bruvstar]

What you to have both said is fine And I appreciate that. People are getting the wrong end.

This is an opportunity for people with my views to possibly see it from another point of view and likewise for reps. I certainly dont want to annoy any good friends.

And fuck sake i promise you I've had pms and I appreciate them. Get a mod to search my inbox. It's beside the point.

I'm not slating needto at all. I'm generalising. The mods work hard. And fuck, they've helped me
Loads. But shooting the Newbie quote is pathetic and somewhat degrading. So like.. Stop jumping to conclusions.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

You have to realize that a certain level of advertising NEEDS to be done to keep this board up and running. That being said, every sponsor on this site is LEGIT and I have personally seen what happens to sponsors when they start acting shady or F*** our members over. That shit dont fly here and sponsors will not stay sponsors very long if they're not top notch.

Its a business. It takes money to keep this site going and the sponsors are a huge part of that.

I would like to know as well what SUPPS you or friends have used from our sponsors that didnt do as advertised.

Just because you dont "feel" the supp working like some pre-workout drinks, doesnt mean its not doing what its suppose to. Just an example but would like to know what supps your speaking of.

 

[j_p]

That's partly the issue yes, but then people take advantage saying year products aren't for noobs and will make you huge, and the
More naive crowd buy into it.

We shouldn't be lowering to that level here. People come here for sound advice and thats not always the case. Although a lot of you are bloody brilliant and have helped me tons.

I beleave in all NTBM's products and would and wil reccomend them. I havent seen what your talkign about..
but if a personthinks they will take sups and get huge thats there own falt.
basics. training and food THEN supps.

I rec a NTBM product in almost every thread askigna bout cycles BECAUSE I BELEVE they will help. but if the person thinks they dotn need ot lift or eat thats there own fault not mine...

 

[hydez27]

You have to realize that a certain level of advertising NEEDS to be done to keep this board up and running. That being said, every sponsor on this site is LEGIT and I have personally seen what happens to sponsors when they start acting shady or F*** our members over. That shit dont fly here and sponsors will not stay sponsors very long if they're not top notch.

Its a business. It takes money to keep this site going and the sponsors are a huge part of that.

I would like to know as well what SUPPS you or friends have used from our sponsors that didnt do as advertised.

Just because you dont "feel" the supp working like some pre-workout drinks, doesnt mean its not doing what its suppose to. Just an example but would like to know what supps your speaking of.

^^^ i would like to know also


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[wcjcMr.O]

and also, without blood work done, its hard to tell if some "supps" are working or not. You cant always go by how you look or feel.

 

[j_p]

Are we gonna talk about the topic?

Ive placed 5 orders, if you must know. Heavily advised to me, and It certainly didn't do what was promised. It's my fault for buying but being pushed and led into buying it isn't fair.

I don't want to argue, I'm not slamming you. But I think it would be good to talk about it? Clear the air? From reps point of view. And ours.
It's not a vendetta man. So lay off a bit.

idliek toknwo what they are then, because they sdont sell bs. ivplaced an order almost everymonth forover 2 years. ididnt liek soem of the protein flavs at one point. but iv never not been happy with products

 

[EZ_E]

Vaild point Bruvstar, everyone has their opinion on what works for them...we're never all going to agree with each other...

I will add to the discussion that there's a possibility a lot of new guys are PM-ing you after not using something correctly (which is human nature) and could be forming a clouded opinion...

I personally happen to have has success with NTBM and will recommend NTBM to anyone but the decision is ultimately theirs...

~EZ

 

[bluetoolpaul]

Right on, I hear you now bro. You're right, there is a boatload of advertising on here and it could be misleading when its in your face all the time. I understand that. I speak in all honesty when I say that all the products i've used on here, from beast , katana, forma, unleashed, post cycle and sustain alpha(remember that one?) have worked. I personally cant use beast anymore bc it gives me headaches like crazy and i can hear my heartbeat in my head but it works.

What products did you get that didn't work?