Bench Press

[wnt2bBeast]

I guess these anti-shirt guys just want to see lots of big guys blow out their shoulders. Benching appears to have reached a sort of limit to what the human frame can accomplish, beyond which injury is almost certain. For shirtless bench, that limit seems to be somewhere in the 700s, no?

prolly less than 5 people who can come close to that # raw
Mendy
Kennelly(saw him do 625x2 in his beach clothes)
Rychlak

yeah i have no desire to test how much my pec/shoulder can take raw lol
if my shirted bench goes up then iknow im getting strnger since i use the same shirt every time..

these guys also make it seem as though EVRYONE is benching 1005..there are still only a handful of people coming close to that number as well

 

[Chambewy20]

It's a losing battle, most if not all the bench shirt haters have never competed nor ever donned a piece of gear in their lives besides wrist straps/ wraps or knee wraps.

Like pissin in the wind...

 

[kethnaab]

see chambewy, I have to disagree with you.

although I must agree that Tier takes things far out of hand, there is a valid point to all of this.

Take a look at what has happened to the bench press "records" over the last 10 years. Compare the bench press records of 30 years ago to 20 years ago to 10 years ago to now. Do the same for squat and deadlift.

Explain to me the ridiculously bizarre phenomina you find. I'll sum it up in 1 sentence.

Gear don't help the deadlift, but it makes the squat and bench records worthless.

I'm sure Alex Rodriguez could lay the old home run records if he used an aluminum baseball bat.

 

[Chambewy20]

Dude I'm not arguing here or trying to make any point, simply saying all the gear haters have mostly never used it or competed so they don't actually give a fair point of view.

Have YOU ever worn a bench shirt, squat suit or even competed?

see chambewy, I have to disagree with you.

although I must agree that Tier takes things far out of hand, there is a valid point to all of this.

Take a look at what has happened to the bench press "records" over the last 10 years. Compare the bench press records of 30 years ago to 20 years ago to 10 years ago to now. Do the same for squat and deadlift.

Explain to me the ridiculously bizarre phenomina you find. I'll sum it up in 1 sentence.

Gear don't help the deadlift, but it makes the squat and bench records worthless.

I'm sure Alex Rodriguez could lay the old home run records if he used an aluminum baseball bat.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

there are a lot more factors thna just equipment..
training for one thing monilifts and yeah better squat suits have helped the squat

better benches, technique, new training methods, better shirts etc have helped the bench

the dead is still the same bar on the floor grip and rip..it hasnt changed as much as the other lifts..

it aint just equipment!!! ytou still need to be strong out of the equipment otherwise you will be pushing te same weights year in year out..why is it so called "raw" lifter dont get that last point????

 

[kethnaab]

chewy, yes, yes and yes

first time I ever wore a squat suit I damn near fell on my face. Heh...damn groove.

I see a ton of use for them, I honestly do. Keeping the shoulders from ripping, allowing one to handle heavier weight on their shoulders in the squat (kinda like swinging a heavy pipe before going to bat in a baseball game), etc

not a "gear hater", so to speak. I just don't like to see a dude hitting 1000 on the BP, and we actually might wonder if he could hit 700 raw.

 

[Tiervexx]

I think I may have come off more hateful then I really ment to. I understand that injury is a very real worry for the really big lifters but I don't need to wear a shirt to know that there is a 290 lbs diffrence between the raw and shirted records. And you can't tell me that shirts are just to protect from injury with a number like that.

If nobody was getting more then 15 or even 50 lbs out of the shirt I wouldn't attack it like I do now.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I think I may have come off more hateful then I really ment to. I understand that injury is a very real worry for the really big lifters but I don't need to wear a shirt to know that there is a 290 lbs diffrence between the raw and shirted records. And you can't tell me that shirts are just to protect from injury with a number like that.

If nobody was getting more then 15 or even 50 lbs out of the shirt I wouldn't attack it like I do now.

LOL at 290 carryover..Id kill for 290 lb carryover


you should go post your opinions at www.deepsquatter.com..i sugest the freak forum

 

[cashmere]

raw 715
shirted 1005
set by two different people

I used to work out at a gym in Miami and they have a team of UM lifters one of which holds or held the World Record bench press of 744lbs. (raw) and is also 4 time world strongest man. They have a poster on the wall with all of his accomplishments. He does warm up reps on flat bench using 405 pounds. Sometimes he doesn't even re-rack the weight, he will rest the bar on his chest between sets. The dude must weigh 400lbs. I think his first name is James.

"My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in
weakness." 2 Cor. 12"9-10

 

[Micker]

I think the problem is that people who don't powerlift, have no idea what a shirt is for bench pressing. They see bench press numbers like 1005 lbs. and then think that the guy who can bench press 500(raw) is half as strong as the guy who lifted 1000lbs with a shirt. Saying you bench 500lbs sounds a lot better if the world record was 700, rather then 1000+. So it hurts the guy who doesn't want to use a shirt so to speak. Why do you think the average joe asks you what you can bench press rather then squat/deadlift?? Because they have a reference as to how much weight is good or bad for the bench press.

I guess my point is that, due to the huge difference in weight a shirt lets you press, it screws up points of reference people have. If I bench 300lbs. raw, what does that equat to with a shirt?? I'll will never know unless I buy a shirt and practice. So how can I compare myself to others who use a shirt?? Its like drugs in the pro bodybuilding. If they stopped using drugs, they would shrink massively in size and wouldn't be very impressive after seeing the freaky size of the guys today. If people stopped using shirts, the bp numbers would drop and not be very impressive. Once someone benchs 1000lbs., 725lbs. just doesn't sound like a lot, shirt or not.

No big deal, anyone who lifts natural and without equipment shouldn't even think about looking at the numbers the pros lift. If you want to talk cheating, talk about the mad AAS use in lifting. I would love to see what people can accomplish naturally, but those numbers aren't impressive and get no media attention. It makes natural people like myself very unimpressive. A 300+lbs. bench press would sound great if the world record was 500lbs., at 1000lbs., its pathetic. My body would look much more impressive if not for all the drugs available to make 300lb 4% bodyfat monsters. I look at flex magazine and then see myself in the mirror and get very frustrated. The bar is raised way too high no to be special naturally.