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Bananas!!!!!!!!!!!

JKurz1

JKurz1

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This is the one and only food (ok, and maybe dairy) that I am absolutely TORN over. Pretty funny when you think of it as it's only a friggn banana, but I've heard so many negatives about bananas promoting fat gain. I could deal with it if they offered a benenfit aside from a little potassium, but then all I hear they do is fill up liver glycogen...........what the frick is the deal?>??

Good fruit? Or fat gain?
 
Well for the longest time now I would have said no, but after reading this article: http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/doesfruitmakeyoufat.html I would have to say yes, depending on how much you consume.
To pretty much sum up the main point of fruit and fat gain, it all depends on how much fruit you eat. When fructose is consumed it's only used for refilling liver glycogen(which I'm sure you know). if your liver glycogen is full, then yes, it will be converted fat and thus being stored in adipose(fat) tissue. but the thing is that liver glycogen can be used for energy through out the whole body where muscle gly. can only be used for muscle. So it really depends on how much you consume combined w/ other foods you eat and energy you expend.
 
I'm talking about eating 1 medium banana once a day, after an am cardio session, first thing in the morning with oats and cottage cheese.............
 
I've been able to consistently lose approximately 1 lb. of fat weekly with only moderate cardio while eating fruit. I would eat a banana, strawberries, blueberries, and fruit preserves every day. As long as it is in moderation, fruit will not fatten you up. However, I'd imagine that getting BF% to lower than 6-7% may reqire cutting out the sweet stuff. Bananas are "supposedly" a low GI food even though it is a fruit.
 
Interesting..........so i meal #1, you'd reccomend them....especially after cardio? Do they truly have any positive effects?
 
the 1 banana after cardio would be good because you weren't doing strenous activity in which muscle glycogen would have been used, but instead your liver glycogen was used. The banana will help to refill what was used.
 
good theory haus......still a little up in the air though.......why waste cals on filling liver gly? Would bumping the protein be more benefitial?

1ST MEAL
3/4 CUP OATS 42G CARBS
250G DRY CURD CC 40G PROTEIN
10-15 BLUEBERRIES, 2 STRAWBERRIES - 10-15G CARBS
1/2 MEDIUM BANANA OR NIX IT AND ANOTH 10G OF PROTEIN (EGG WHITES OR WHEY)


SHOOTING FOR 50G PRO,60-70G CARBS >5G FAT

I ONLY HAVE 3 P/C MEALS OUT OF 6.......OTHERS ARE P/F

1ST MEAK, PRETRAIN AND POST TRAIN (NOT COUNTING SHAKE)
 
act. kruz, I read on another site up to 3 hrs. after exercise, when fructose was consumed, compared to glucose, fat burning was like 38% when on a normal or increased cal. diet, but they were about the same, when on a reduced cal. diet. i'm trying to find the site now. If I was you I would up the oats for carbs and not the protein.
 
I guess it depends. Your not a a reduced cal. diet so the fat burning thing doesn't make a diff. I would say keep it. They tast good and are good for ya.
 
I just decided to ditch all fruits from my diet:

1. I don't really miss them
2. I have only a limited amout of cals/day to work with, rather use them in something that has a) protein b) carbs that can go the the muscle and not the liver

nothing against fruits,but is is a matter of priorities
 
Ive never seen a fat monkey, but they do do shit loads of cardio. :whatever:
I cant see one banana hurting you though. Limit it to a few piece a day and youll be fine.
 
I was always under the impression that most fruit was "free" calories. In other words, it burned more calories digesting it than it contained.
 
They are 100% perfect. After 1 month of research (lol) many many include them in the first meal of the day to fight off soreness, add in essential nutrients, etc.

Many other fruits are used during the day, i.e. berries, apples, etc..........

Some still use them in their PW shake, but I'm going to refrain.

So eat up! cutting or bulking, doesnt matter.....just fit em in to your caloric needs....
 
I don't see the point on eating FRUITS to be " healthy " , " oh it gots lots of vitamins and mineral " " it is good for you "

heeeloooo , have you ever heard of a multivitamin/multimineral complex ? yeah that one they FIT all of the vitamins and minerals in 3 caps . yeah that one.


Victor
 
borg4902 said:
Empty worthless shit filled calories. But i'll eat a butlaod when I carb up sunday!
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lol.............same as mcdonalds..........lol............you guys are pretty funny..........
 
Nutritional benefits of bananas

The banana is a nutritious fruit. The best source potassium you can find, but there are many other benefits to eating this fruit.

The banana, the comedian's friend. For as long as there has been comedy, the old banana peel gag has been around. The average person consumes up to 27 pounds of bananas per year. Their benefits are long reaching and help to restore balance to your system.

As we all know, the banana is one of nature's best sources of potassium. Potassium is known to significantly lower the risk of high blood pressure and related diseases like heart attack and strokes. Bananas are believed to prevent dangerous low-density lipoprotein from oxidizing, which causes it to stick to the walls of the arteries. This accumulation can contribute to atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries, a major contributor to heart attack, stroke and high blood pressure. Even one serving of a potassium rich food, such as bananas, can lower your risk of stroke by up to 40%.

New research is indicating that bananas are helpful in ulcer treatment. They seem to act as a natural antacid. First, they stimulate the stomach's production of protective mucus which helps to prevent harsh acids from touching the tender stomach lining, causing an ulcer. Second, the protease inhibitor found in bananas appears to kill the harmful bacteria that help to cause ulcers.

Bananas also contain electrolytes, which are essential for maintaining fluid levels and preventing dehydration. 30% of your DV of vitamin B6 is provided by one banana. B6 keeps your nervous system in top working condition and boosting immunity. Folate is also in bananas, which is needed for proper tissue growth, and can protect against birth defects, heart disease, and cancer.

To keep your bananas fresh, you should keep them out at room temperature. If you are waiting for green bananas to ripen you can speed up the process by putting them in a brown paper bag at room temperature. If bananas are not to your liking, you can mash them up and add them to a variety of recipes from meatloaf to casseroles, the taste of the dish will be slightly sweetened but without the direct taste of the banana.
 
borg4902 said:
Empty worthless shit filled calories. But i'll eat a butlaod when I carb up sunday!
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your theories amaze me.....esp. after looking at your recent diet............just too bad people will read it and believe you.................
 
I can't beleive how many of you guys are serious about not eating fruit. I mean shit filled calories???? This is the shit our ancestors ate as hunters and gatherers. They didn't sell whey protein by the tub back then.

Maybe to get down to low single digit bf the omission of fruit is necessary but I just can't see a couple of pieces a day being a wortheless addition to anyones diet.

Who knows, maybe I'm missing something?
 
JKurz1 said:
This is the one and only food (ok, and maybe dairy) that I am absolutely TORN over. Pretty funny when you think of it as it's only a friggn banana, but I've heard so many negatives about bananas promoting fat gain. I could deal with it if they offered a benenfit aside from a little potassium, but then all I hear they do is fill up liver glycogen...........what the frick is the deal?>??

Good fruit? Or fat gain?
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I eat a banana once a day with a shake
 
The part that "makes you fat" in fruits is the fructose (fruit sugar). As with everything, eat in moderation. If you're really worried about it, buy green bananas and freeze them (to keep them longer). They have much less fructose than ripe ones. I ate a banana a day, whether bulking or cutting.
 
It's not that bad, fruits for the most part are filled with antioxidants, micro nutrients, fiber and yes some sugar. However about 30% of the sugar is Fructose, meaning that a Banana with 33g of carbs would have 9g of Fructose. When Hypocaloric (cutting) you glycogen (Muscle and Liver) stores will never be filled, so eat up as long as you can fit the cals into you day. Most fruits are low GI as well, which is another positive. Although a few are hi GI, watermelom etc..
 
embrace said:
I was always under the impression that most fruit was "free" calories. In other words, it burned more calories digesting it than it contained.
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I think you are thinking of vegetables like lettuce, celery, brocolli, etc.
 
I eat a banana first thing in the morning before I hit the gym so I have some fuel and potassium in me.
 
JKurz1 said:
It's not that bad, fruits for the most part are filled with antioxidants, micro nutrients, fiber and yes some sugar. However about 30% of the sugar is Fructose, meaning that a Banana with 33g of carbs would have 9g of Fructose. When Hypocaloric (cutting) you glycogen (Muscle and Liver) stores will never be filled, so eat up as long as you can fit the cals into you day. Most fruits are low GI as well, which is another positive. Although a few are hi GI, watermelom etc..
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>>> Like I said , antioxidants , fiber , vitamins , minerals , we all have pills for that . And to the guy that asked if it is not better to get it from food instead of pills , no it is not , it has been proved that the effects are the exact SAME . So ...

Back to bananas , you are wrong about the ratio , 33 g of carbs which will give you around 15 g of fructose and 17 g of GLUCOSE . That is 33 g of SUGAR . Most of the fruits are like that , so , 99 % of the FRUITS are HIGH GLYCEMIC CARBS , I really don't know where did you get the idea of fruits being LOW GLYCEMIC . Fruits are high glycemic but they don't make you release that much insulin just like honey so they won't make you fat though , but I still don't see the point .

One could argue that since it fills liver glycogen it helps t4 conversion to t3 , and that would be good for fat loss , but still ...I would not use fruits when trying to get CUT , and neither when bulking .

So , it will help FILL LIVER AND MUSCLE GLYCOGEN . YES it will , but my MAIN concern is FILL my muscles glycogen ONLY , specially when cutting . So , why the hell I will eat something that will ALSO fill up my LIVER glycogen ???

NO POINT .


Victor
 
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Victor
FYI, bananas are a 51 on the GI scale which is considered low GI.

I guess it all boils down to preference and what works for you (us). If you like swallowing handfuls of pills and are "that" sensitive to the sugar from a banana then by all means do so. For a skinny shit like me, I'll take the banana

BTW stats are 5'8" 165lbs 9%
 
Dude my trainer eats 7 hot dogs per sitting and pizza 5x a week. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PERSON. PERIOD!!!!!!! Some will have a problem some wount, when bulking many people will gain a substancial amount of fat. Thats just the way it is. It all depends on you goals, do you want to be a body builder or a fitness model. The only ting it will change is cosmetic. If your looking for a good filler calorie eat up. Hell I just had 2 banana's and a tub of rasins (the 24oz) one's and yes I will gain fat. But I dont care. I will gain strength witch is more important to me at this point.
 
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