Anavar or Winny---which is better?

[Outtlaw]

You are forgetting "I" am the one saying diet is what matters, not your choice of drug. Like I said above, if you think var is going to cause an equivalent amount of bloat to deca, I am unsure why I am even continuing this debate.

Diet has it's place, but it's not the only factor in determing gains. The type of drug you use does make a difference, but you seem to believe that all drugs are created equal, or at least close enough to where the difference in gains is only a mear pound or two.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT THOUGH. If the guy on test isn't going to gain that much more than the guy on var, then many people would prefer to run the var because there are less sides. THAT is my argument. Your posts, as well as Mr. Grammar's, are implying that you feel the gains from test are going to be substantially greater. If that's not the case, then there is no argument to be had.

ex. Guy's maintenance calories = 4000
Guy is bulking so he consumes 5000 calories everyday
We're talking about the same guy, with the same genetics, doing the same training program. Is he really going to gain that much more off of test than var? I don't think so; you guys seem to. And if there is a large difference in muscle gained over the course of the cycle, did the extra sides make it worth it?

That's your argument AND your assumption, and Im saying you're wrong if you think there wont be much difference in gains between a var cycle vs a test or deca cycle.

And guys please, was the bombing really necessary? We've got a half decent debate going and then you go and do that. I suppose it would have been better if I just agreed with you both right off the bat. Elite would really be a great board if everyone kissed everyone else's ass and all agreed on everything .

Did it ever occur to you that purhaps you might be WRONG about something, yet you keep trying to push your point on people to the point that it's agrivating them, and that's why people are bombing you??

 

[Bruce]

no stenson you were a little prick and you pissed off bros who know alot so you got bombed next time don't bait others who know twice as much as u

 

[needtogetaas]

This right here is what I'm talking about. If var is "the shit" for lean mass, then it should work well for a bulk. To some people a bulk means gaining as much muscle as possible, while still looking good in the process. And no, this doesn't apply to everyone. Others will prefer the "throw on 40lbs, keep 10 of it" approach. To each their own.

what you say I cant see it.

 

[Quadsweeps Sister]

anavar 4 my woman !!
at 10 mg a day for 12 weeks you can stack some test with it... maybe 100 mg every 10 days if it is enanthate... great results!!

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enanthate...Um, maybe she could just start first with the 5mg var and see if she wants to move on from there. Or maybe grow some facial hair and have a voice to match? J/k about the second part, but she'd be good to go with the var. No hypocrite here - I knows how it goes.
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[kellygirl]

Wow! This was actually pretty informative....although, I kind of got lost in the middle of it since I am WAY new to the AAS world and still trying to figure it all out. I recently started Growth and am about to start my first AAS. Obviously I should choose Var and not Winny. There's not exactly a lot of resources on this kind of stuff where I am. So, I REALLY appreciate the help!

 

[Bruce]

sorry we botched your thread we get cranky sometimes people give bad info. var dont even think twice and yes start at 5mg ed, if you need more then go up.

 

[RADAR]

Kellygirl you may want to check out the womens forum also it covers diet and all woman related stuff!
Welcome to elite!
Click this link!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388278


RADAR

 

[kellygirl]

Kellygirl you may want to check out the womens forum also it covers diet and all woman related stuff!
Welcome to elite!
Click this link!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388278


RADAR

I will do so. Thanks for the help! Kelly

 

[Smokescreen]

But doesn't Var kill sex drive after a while on the stuff????

 

[bicepts101]

edited....i decided my comments were below me....carry on dogpack