Anavar or Winny---which is better?

[Techbaseball]

Why anyone would want to bulk with anavar is beyond me.

I can understand that. We probably define bulking differently. You are absolutely right... i am only looking for 10-15 lbs lbm. And.. yes... i do want to look like the GQ guy. Sorry? But i can totally see why a seasoned user wouldn't see jack shit from Anavar.

Tons of reasons to select Anavar over other cycles (for my specific goals that is). The above posts mention a ton.


--Techbaseball

 

[Outtlaw]

Yes I can. At no point did I ever say bulking with var is optimal. There's a concept you don't seem to grasp .

I'm not even recommending it either. I was merely pointing out a BS myth (that you can't gain mass with var) that doesn't need to be propagated throughout this board.

You are seriously mental bro!! From the jump you were on here saying how you couldnt understand why someone "WOULDNT want to bulk with var". Talking all this shit about how the gains are good, more pure, no bloat, etc. And now you're agreeing with nearly everything Im trying to say. Even going as far as to say that at no point did you "ever say bulking with var is optimal", and that you would "not even recommend it."

So let me make this clear. If you dont think bulking with var is optimal, and would not recommend it, then that means we agree with each other, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP and MOVE ON!!

Now that you don't have much to go on, you're putting words in my mouth. Please tell me where I ever said a var-based cycle is going to be MORE effective than other bulkers. For that matter, point me to where I even said it would be as effective. I didn't.

Then why the fuck are you even responding to this thread!!


No one ever said that you couldnt gain an ounce on var. That was never the argument!! All people are trying to tell you is that there are much better choices to bulk with, but you're on here contesting everybody arguing the point of how effective var can be as a bulker. You sound like an idiot comming on here trying to prove a dumbass point that makes no sense. Using var to bulk with is like using a street car in a Formula 1 race. Sure you can drive a street car in a Formula 1 race, but it's not going to be effective. But your method of thinking is trying to say, hey, it's not your car why you lost the race, it was because of your poor driving skills. (which is like saying, the var is not the reason why your gains sucked. It was because of your diet). And I dont care how much shit you put on your street car (or how much var you take) you're not going to out do the formula 1 car.

So can you bulk with var? Yes, just like you can run that formula 1 race with a honda accord. And you can finnish behind the guys who bulk with the more powerfull compounds.

 

[Bruce]

Now you're trying to backtrack and say you're not talking about a var only cycle?? WTF do you think this whole thread has been based on? The var only or var based cycle was the only issue at hand. Anyone can throw in some var with a bunch of other compounds and claim it works great for bulking. The reality is you're getting most of your mass gains from the other gear.

It really baffles me how people come on this forum and act like they're the ultimate expert and know everything there is to know about AAS. And when people try to give them a little advice, they're not trying to hear it because there is NO WAY that they could ever not know it all.

And just so you know, not everyones gains on things like deca are all bloat. There are many people who get minimal amounts of bloat from deca with much more solid gains. So before you come on here and start trying to teach everyone what each and every drug can and cant do, you'd better get your facts straight.

put on 22 lbs of shredded muscle with deca didn't retain a thing. outlaw is right on, no one ever said anavar isn't great, its fantastic, but it is not the choice bulking steroid, and your a fool to think you would feel better on a gram of var rather than a gram of test.

 

[Indy]

For anyone who has a lot of experience with this stuff.....if you have to chose between injectable Winny or Anavar tabs, which is better? I've heard Anavar gives fewer side effects in women, but you get more stress on the liver anytime you take tablets. So, which would be preferable?

Anavar all the way bro, blows winny away in every respect. If you can afford var in larger dosages, it ROCKS, taking winny for strength and drying out makes no sense to me, I have all my winny tabs and vials away after I started var.

 

[Bruce]

indy wouldn't you say that in terms of a bulking cycle there are other aas you would pick over var. we all know it is the shit for strength and lean mass.

 

[Joe Stenson]

From the jump you were on here saying how you couldnt understand why someone "WOULDNT want to bulk with var". Talking all this shit about how the gains are good, more pure, no bloat, etc.

If all you meant from the beginning was var isn't optimal then let me just say that's not how it came across. Either you or Bruce said you can't expect much in terms of mass from var. Bruce even gave an example of his buddy who ran 75mg ed and ate 5000 calories and didn't gain much. Well you know what, the guy wasn't eating enough. Unless it was because his appetite was suppressed, that's not the var's fault.

Also, I said many people don't want to bloat up on a cycle. We both know this is true. In the situation I gave, I even had the guy on deca gaining more muscle; I just said some people would prefer to give up the extra lb or two of muscle if it didn't mean having to look like a blowfish for 10 weeks.

You also never answered my hypothetical question about the guy on 1g var vs 1g test. Still wondering...

So can you bulk with var? Yes, just like you can run that formula 1 race with a honda accord. And you can finnish behind the guys who bulk with the more powerfull compounds.

Where do the less side effects from var come into your little car analogy?

 

[Joe Stenson]

indy wouldn't you say that in terms of a bulking cycle there are other aas you would pick over var. we all know it is the shit for strength and lean mass.

This right here is what I'm talking about. If var is "the shit" for lean mass, then it should work well for a bulk. To some people a bulk means gaining as much muscle as possible, while still looking good in the process. And no, this doesn't apply to everyone. Others will prefer the "throw on 40lbs, keep 10 of it" approach. To each their own.

 

[Bruce]

lean mass i mean hardening up and shredding your muscle, youve been smoked after changing your story 8 times drop it

 

[Outtlaw]

Also, I said many people don't want to bloat up on a cycle. We both know this is true. In the situation I gave, I even had the guy on deca gaining more muscle; I just said some people would prefer to give up the extra lb or two of muscle if it didn't mean having to look like a blowfish for 10 weeks.

There you go speculating about how much more muscle you gain or lose based on what type of gear you run.

You also never answered my hypothetical question about the guy on 1g var vs 1g test. Still wondering....

I dont want to speculate on things that cant be substanciated. I will say that the guy on 1g of test will be able to gain more than the guy on 1g of var. You can speculate on how much more, but Im not.

Where do the less side effects from var come into your little car analogy?

Well, I guess your driving at a much slower speed, so if you crash, you have a much greater chance of survival.

To some people a bulk means gaining as much muscle as possible, while still looking good in the process. And no, this doesn't apply to everyone. Others will prefer the "throw on 40lbs, keep 10 of it" approach. To each their own.

I would like to know what you used that allowed you to get 40lbs gains while only being able to yeild 10. Again, you seem to be speculating that gains are only 1-2lbs different on var as compared to something like test. I dont know how you come to these conclusions.

 

[Joe Stenson]

lean mass i mean hardening up and shredding your muscle, youve been smoked after changing your story 8 times drop it

I almost want to stop responding to you because it's so annoying reading your posts that don't use proper grammar, but I will anyway.

"Bulking" means attempting to gain muscle. If some fat and water come along with it, then so be it, but the qualifying factor is the muscle gain. And there's no reason this cannot be accomplished on var. Will some compounds allow you to do this more easily? Perhaps, but you seem to be implying that if a guy is eating well over maintenance, yet using var, that he won't be able to gain any mass.

Lol at "shredding your muscle". You mean what happens when you *gasp*...cut? You seem to be putting a lot of stock into which drugs you're using and not much into what is actually important: one's diet. Var doesn't have to make you shredded; you can take var and gain lbs of fat as well...

There you go speculating about how much more muscle you gain or lose based on what type of gear you run.

You are forgetting "I" am the one saying diet is what matters, not your choice of drug. Like I said above, if you think var is going to cause an equivalent amount of bloat to deca, I am unsure why I am even continuing this debate.

I dont want to speculate on things that cant be substanciated. I will say that the guy on 1g of test will be able to gain more than the guy on 1g of var. You can speculate on how much more, but Im not.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT THOUGH. If the guy on test isn't going to gain that much more than the guy on var, then many people would prefer to run the var because there are less sides. THAT is my argument. Your posts, as well as Mr. Grammar's, are implying that you feel the gains from test are going to be substantially greater. If that's not the case, then there is no argument to be had.

ex. Guy's maintenance calories = 4000
Guy is bulking so he consumes 5000 calories everyday
We're talking about the same guy, with the same genetics, doing the same training program. Is he really going to gain that much more off of test than var? I don't think so; you guys seem to. And if there is a large difference in muscle gained over the course of the cycle, did the extra sides make it worth it?

In any event, an advanced bodybuilder is not going to be running a var-only cycle OR a test-only cycle.

Well, I guess your driving at a much slower speed, so if you crash, you have a much greater chance of survival.

lol, thank-you, the analogy is now complete.

I would like to know what you used that allowed you to get 40lbs gains while only being able to yeild 10. Again, you seem to be speculating that gains are only 1-2lbs different on var as compared to something like test. I dont know how you come to these conclusions.

It's called a hypothetical example, with a hint of exageration thrown in. And yes, I AM speculating that the gains wouldn't be that much different. That's my entire argument. When was the last time you ran 1g of var/week? You've been speculating this whole time as well, but all of a sudden you won't admit it.

And guys please, was the bombing really necessary? We've got a half decent debate going and then you go and do that. I suppose it would have been better if I just agreed with you both right off the bat. Elite would really be a great board if everyone kissed everyone else's ass and all agreed on everything .