Anavar or Winny---which is better?

[Bruce]

Would you please explain why someone eating sufficient protein and total calories could not gain 10lbs on a var-only cycle?

It's posts like this that screw people up and make them think it's the drug doing all the work. You can bulk on any steroid; you can cut on any steroid. Period.

yea i can explain i know people who run it at 75mg ed and eat 5000cals, anavar is not known for putting on mass, if you puttin on 15 lbs with var you shouldn't be using aas. why the f are you talkin shit to outlaw too, we are just trying to help someone, how bout this joey have you put on 10lbs of mass in 5 weeks on var? its hard to put on 10 with ot in 4 weeks let alone var or winny. i'm done this was a thread to help kellygirl out,

 

[Bruce]

You can't come on here and say someone will or won't put on weight with their first var cycle. Come on man. Let's get real here.
Var for a first cycle would be an excellent choice. 50mg/day for 8 weeks would really make a big difference in someone's body comp. He might not put on a whole lot of weight, but if he eats right, and hits the iron hard, he will look like a completely different person after 8 weeks.
Everyone reacts differently to a broad spectrum of anabolics. Some people react well to Test/high androgens. Others respond better to more anabolic/less androgenic compounds. I am one of the latter. I get more out of Primo/Var than I do Test/Tren.

Anavar would be a great 1st cycle choice. It's probably the best. After that, jump on some test.

i was simply giving him an idea of what to expect from a var only cycle, sorry but i don't know any people that have put on that kind of mass on var. i think it is a great aas but i think trying to bulk on it would be very difficult, he asked me a simple question and i gave him a broad answer,

 

[Joe Stenson]

yea i can explain i know people who run it at 75mg ed and eat 5000cals, anavar is not known for putting on mass, if you puttin on 15 lbs with var you shouldn't be using aas. why the f are you talkin shit to outlaw too, he is right you don't choose var to bulk.

It's not whether or not one "should" bulk with var; it's whether or not one "could" bulk with var. There's absolutely no reason one couldn't bulk up with var, or any other steroid for that matter. I'm not sure why you are pretending there is.

If someone was eating 5000 calories and not gaining weight it's not the drug's fault. It's the simple fact that they needed to eat more. The same can be said for someone eating 2000 calories or someone eating 7000 calories who isn't gaining weight.

And I'm "talkin shit to outlaw" because he's wrong and I was telling him why.

but i think trying to bulk on it would be very difficult

Why?

 

[marshallmadman]

i was simply giving him an idea of what to expect from a var only cycle, sorry but i don't know any people that have put on that kind of mass on var. i think it is a great aas but i think trying to bulk on it would be very difficult, he asked me a simple question and i gave him a broad answer,

That's okay, brotha. I just think Anavar is excellent for a first timer. Maybe someone with your build would benefit a ton more from something like Anadrol or Dbol for your first time.

I am currently doing Var at 40mg/day and couldn't be happier. I have a lot of cycles under my belt and this is my first time trying Anavar, and I am impressed to say the least.

 

[Bruce]

outlaw is not wrong if you wanna bulk test or dbol is a much better choice especially considering that var suppresses the appetite. like i said if youve put on 15 lbs with var alone thats quite a feat. i agree it will make you look great and with low bf transform your body nicely but for bulking please.

 

[DieselGunz]

I will make this short and sweet


VAR!!!!!!!

 

[Bruce]

That's okay, brotha. I just think Anavar is excellent for a first timer. Maybe someone with your build would benefit a ton more from something like Anadrol or Dbol for your first time.

I am currently doing Var at 40mg/day and couldn't be happier. I have a lot of cycles under my belt and this is my first time trying Anavar, and I am impressed to say the least.

bro i agree that is what i told the dude, he asked if it was a good first timer and is said absolutely if your not looking for huge mass gains, i don't see how that is so out of line, i think var is a great first choice because it is easy to recover from and its just a great aas, k to you bro

 

[Joe Stenson]

outlaw is not wrong if you wanna bulk test or dbol is a much better choice especially considering that var suppresses the appetite. like i said if youve put on 15 lbs with var alone thats quite a feat. i agree it will make you look great and with low bf transform your body nicely but for bulking please.

I love how people start assuming things and then a flame war starts, and then more things are assumed, and eventually no one even knows what they are arguing...

First, at no time in this thread did I ever recommend a var-ONLY cycle for bulking. I said there's no reason var couldn't be used on a bulk. For all you or outlaw knows that var could be part of a test/eq/deca/d-bol/var cycle. Now, if you want me to say that you can bulk on a var-only cycle, yeah I think you can, but this is the first time in the thread I've said it.

Mg for mg test is more powerful, and nothing beats d-bol. But, aside from appetite suppression (which I DID point out), there's no reason var could not be used to bulk with. Just because a drug does not cause water retention does not make it incapable in aiding a bulk.

 

[Joe Stenson]

is said absolutely if your not looking for huge mass gains, i don't see how that is so out of line

Mass gains are almost directly proportional to food consumed. You "can" lose weight on d-bol or deca; you "can" gain weight on var...it all depends what your eating looks like. There's tons of threads like this on elite, I don't know why it sounds like I'm proposing something revolutionary. You can bulk or cut on any steroid. Some are preferred for one phase over another, but it doesn't mean the other cannot be done.

 

[Bruce]

bro i am not arguing that with you diet is all that matters, you cannot say that dbol test or deca is not a better choice for bulking with var though, if you were to take in 5000 cals on var vs. deca you will put on more mass with deca plain and simple. i don't wanna have a flame war, i told the guy var was fine for his first cycle thats it. take care