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Isn't it hypocritical for a nation composed of almost 100% immigrants, a nation that was built on genocide, to tell other immigrants they can't come in?
 
Isn't it hypocritical for a nation composed of almost 100% immigrants, a nation that was built on genocide, to tell other immigrants they can't come in?

so whoever wants to come here just gets to pour in?
no rules/regulations?
fuk you
 
so whoever wants to come here just gets to pour in?
no rules/regulations?
fuk you

Thats not exactly what I said. I just said I think its hypocritical for anyone that lives in the US to claim that someone else is an immigrant and that they are not. 500 years ago we committed the worst act of genocide in the history of the world, we killed millions and took the land for our own. You are just as much an immigrant as the guy from guatemala sitting on the bus next to you.
 
Uhhhh, you either talk to some strange people or you just have a very depressing life. Technically, if you want to be specific, EVERYONE is an immigrant from somewhere, no matter where it is.

I have a problem with Immigrants that don't want to pay taxes or contribute to the welfare of the country that they snuck in to. I have no problems if you want to move here and follow the laws like the rest of us.

This thread, sucks and is pointless...

-Legacy
 
We need to STOP THE FLOW NOW!!!, and then worry about how to fix the situation with those aliens already here illegally. To spend time and law enforcement money on questioning people as to their legal status is not going to fix anything. Even if they deport them by the bus load, they'll be right back. Would you keep a ship in service with a huge hole in the hull, and just keep hiring more sailors with buckets to try to keep the thing from sinking, or would you put the ship in drydock first, fix the hole, and then dry out the bilges?

Charles
 
Are you a native American?
 
Here goes this skins fans dick head again. First he hates cops, now he wants to let illegal fucking aliens have our country. Boy you need to STFU. When the god damn illegals start dying for this country then they can become legal citizens, but that ain't gonna happen you fucking idiot. These mutha fuckers want a free ride on the shirt tail of all who have sacraficed to make this country great. If it were my choice I would shot all the mutha fuckers on site.
 
And I welcome all infractions for my inappropriate language and my comments to this dickhead of a member. TYIA.
 
Here goes this skins fans dick head again. First he hates cops, now he wants to let illegal fucking aliens have our country. Boy you need to STFU. When the god damn illegals start dying for this country then they can become legal citizens, but that ain't gonna happen you fucking idiot. These mutha fuckers want a free ride on the shirt tail of all who have sacraficed to make this country great. If it were my choice I would shot all the mutha fuckers on site.


You sound like a 12 year old Hitler.
 
we talkin about mexicans here?

i'm confused...

No alc, I was just posing a simple question of whether or not it was hypocritical of a US resident to say whether or not someone can step foot onto land that is not theirs to begin with.

Strongbow and Bino took that as me asking for all the non-US citizens to migrate and set up camp in their frontyard and take a shit in their bathroom.
 
Everyone who understands that there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration, please raise your hand.

*raises hand*
 
Everyone who understands that there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration, please raise your hand.

*raises hand*

I second that.

I'm a very "legal" immigrant. I live in Canada. I have my PR card and I'll be a citizen soon.

However, there are ilegal immigrants that piss me the fuck off because I pay my damn taxes!!!
 
I second that.

I'm a very "legal" immigrant. I live in Canada. I have my PR card and I'll be a citizen soon.

However, there are ilegal immigrants that piss me the fuck off because I pay my damn taxes!!!

To be fair, a lot of illegals pay taxes via sales tax and those who have fake SS cards and employment pay payroll taxes yet get no SS benefits.

Its probably not nearly enough to make it worth our while to let them remain here illegally. Plus theres the tiny fact that theyre breaking the law.
 
To be fair, a lot of illegals pay taxes via sales tax and those who have fake SS cards and employment pay payroll taxes yet get no SS benefits.

Its probably not nearly enough to make it worth our while to let them remain here illegally. Plus theres the tiny fact that theyre breaking the law.

UHHHHH UUUHHHHH Look at me I'm 75. I should give you an infraction.
 
Isn't it hypocritical for a nation composed of almost 100% immigrants, a nation that was built on genocide, to tell other immigrants they can't come in?



People legally immigrate to this country ALL THE FUCKING TIME.


wtf are you blabbering about?
 
Nothing wrong with people coming here legally to make a better life, that is the basis of this whole nation. But mooching off of those who work and pay taxes, I have a serious problem with that.
 
To be fair, a lot of illegals pay taxes via sales tax and those who have fake SS cards and employment pay payroll taxes yet get no SS benefits.

Its probably not nearly enough to make it worth our while to let them remain here illegally. Plus theres the tiny fact that theyre breaking the law.

Yes, it's sad but true...a large percentage of the crime in north america is cause by illegal immigrants
 
I so agree.

We should go back to the old days. Have NO immigration laws and just let EVERYONE in. I'm sure this'll make the hippies and hispanics. We should also give them one-way flights to california.

c
 
midwest FTW! Arizona just caused a mess. Now all the neighbor states will want the same thing to keep the illegals from flocking over to them.
 
Lots of ignorance, hate and misinformation in this thread bros.


No good.
 
they need to make it easier to become a legal immigrant. that is all.

I agree, especially for skilled workers. Bill O'Reilly likes to talk about how his family immigrated legally but the U.S. didn't have immigration laws setting quotas for Europeans back then, we had them for darkies but not whites.

That being said, all legal immigrants are required to carry their paperwork by Fed law. There are decades of Supreme Court legal precedent regarding probable cause and it applies to the Arizona law. I don't see a valid profiling challenge but there is an arguable case for Arizona usurping fed duties regarding interaction with foreign nationals.
 
Lots of ignorance, hate and misinformation in this thread bros.


No good.

yeah the first post was filled with all the above!!!
Lotsa hate and ignorance at these rallies yesterday, "may day" rallies in a democratic country wtf? coupled with the illegal immigration thing, these folks aren't doing a good job of selling to me that they love our country and automatically get to be citizens, cause they demand so.
The mexican flags and communist insignia was pretty fun too, what a great way to make a new home in america.
 
Lots of ignorance, hate and misinformation in this thread bros.


No good.

Please point it out bro....

I think the part with the illegal immigrants is pretty on point. Get 'legal' of gtfo....I pay my damn taxes and had to work damn hard to be where I am....
 
Play by the rules or get the fuck out. If any American emmigrates to another country you better bet your ass they have to play by the new countries rules. Why is this concept lost on people?
 
Play by the rules or get the fuck out. If any American emmigrates to another country you better bet your ass they have to play by the new countries rules. Why is this concept lost on people?

I agree. There are rules for a reason. Some rules may seem pretty retarded but they are rules and have to be followed. What are we without rules and laws bor?
 
enforce this and i'm happy
- e verify
- expand guest work program
- tax remittances
- stiffen penalties for being here illegally and beef up border treble fold
 
I agree. There are rules for a reason. Some rules may seem pretty retarded but they are rules and have to be followed. What are we without rules and laws bor?

You better bet!!!! Can you imagine what would happen if we stormed into Russia without papers, and demanded that they put up all of their signs in English? We'd be in a Siberian labor camp within minutes.

Bending the topic, I still get angry at how the British have bowed down to the mideast Muslim extremist immigrants there, and have reset all public toilets to face away from Mecca. That had to cost $ billions in public funds, and for such a stupid, STUPID reason. If you want to be a fundamentalist Muslim, that's fine... But don't make other people pay your bills and change their lifestyle, ways & means to accommodate you.

Charles
 
Bending the topic, I still get angry at how the British have bowed down to the mideast Muslim extremist immigrants there, and have reset all public toilets to face away from Mecca. That had to cost $ billions in public funds, and for such a stupid, STUPID reason. If you want to be a fundamentalist Muslim, that's fine... But don't make other people pay your bills and change their lifestyle, ways & means to accommodate you.

Charles

ololll traz is muslim bro.
but that being said, notice how muslims that migrate to n.america don't behave like in france/britain.
muslim pop here is pretty chill...cause we let them be, they are allowed to do their thing and everyone is happy.
in france they burn the flag and loot and riot...britian appears to be a breeding ground for extremism. doesn't happen here.
muslims adapt and assimilate in n.america
what makes canada and the usa great, under legal circumstances, we generaly welcome diversity and promote a "do wtf you want" culture
 
The whole immigration situation is screwed-up! There should be quotas set for how many can come into this country.
They should take some of that stimulus money and hire thousands of border agents to stop these mofos from jumpingt he fence.
I'm not against immigration is long as they have something to offer, some skill ie germans(science), Japenese(electronics)< earn your citizenship
The Mexicans have nothing to offer but cheap labor by which companies are defrauding the feds by not paying fed tax. Plus their taking jobs
away from honest US citizens that would be paying fed tax, so all that does is make us pay more fed tax.
The Mexican women come over here and go straight on welfare, who picks up the tab? we do! How? by paying more taxes.
In addition they don't even make them assimilate to the english language, they accommodate them.

There turning this country into bilingual then it will multilingual that's what will destroy a nation.

History tells us look at the Roman Empire
 
ololll traz is muslim bro.
but that being said, notice how muslims that migrate to n.america don't behave like in france/britain.
muslim pop here is pretty chill...cause we let them be, they are allowed to do their thing and everyone is happy.
in france they burn the flag and loot and riot...britian appears to be a breeding ground for extremism. doesn't happen here.
muslims adapt and assimilate in n.america
what makes canada and the usa great, under legal circumstances, we generaly welcome diversity and promote a "do wtf you want" culture

there is a difference between the muslim population in north america and the musclim population in Europe

North American - i.e. US and Canada attract "regular" normal muslims...real muslims because these countries have balls and are a "take no shit" country

on the other hand, a country liek britain has no balls and that leads muslim extremists to migrate there because they can take advantage of the "pussified" laws

if someone refuses to assimilate into a country's culture, go the fuck back home...why are you coming to American and saying "fuck America?" The US is giving you a home, a place where you can live a decent life and a place where you will have value as a human being....
 
Hippies here won't stop untuil there IS NO immigration law. Even if amnesty is passed, it will just scream out for others to come here and wait for the next one. And if we tighten the border - then you'l have crying videos of mexicans being rounded up, women and children being kicked out. Mexicans being raided in neiborghoods for overstaying visas, govt being called nazis. In 10 years, we'll have 20 million more iillegals!

nothing short then opening the borders is the end goal. And it'll happen cuz that's pretty much what it is now.

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And why this thread is not in the politics forum??

Anyways, the first "immigrants" who came here, came to a land that was no country. There were no rules or regulations. There were no borders. Even if for one second we look at it as an act of hostility, to come here and take other's land by force, indians tried to defend themselves, but lost. They were not good enough. That was not the situation anyways. But using that as an argument to justify illegal aliens invading the country, is totally cheap. If you're serious about it, and would like to compare it with those old days, ok, in that case, tell your friends from Guatemala to declare war against The United States and try to take this land. Let the best win. Only thing I can tell you, I would be selling popcorn in the front line for American troops.

Immigration DOES NOT needs reform. WE DO NOT NEED to make it easier to come here. We already have thousands of humans legally immigrating here every year. Every single rule and law for immigration is already written. The only problem we have, is the Federal Government no enforcing the laws.
 
Have you joined the minutemen yet razor?

I remember you posting some links to some interesting forums when that whole bus fight video thing happened.

As for illegal immigrants, I'm glad my country is a big island and much harder to get to, so we get far fewer of those down here. Sucks for you, America!






b0und (sorry)
 
and why this thread is not in the politics forum??

Anyways, the first "immigrants" who came here, came to a land that was no country. There were no rules or regulations. There were no borders. Even if for one second we look at it as an act of hostility, to come here and take other's land by force, indians tried to defend themselves, but lost. They were not good enough. That was not the situation anyways. But using that as an argument to justify illegal aliens invading the country, is totally cheap. If you're serious about it, and would like to compare it with those old days, ok, in that case, tell your friends from guatemala to declare war against the united states and try to take this land. Let the best win. Only thing i can tell you, i would be selling popcorn in the front line for american troops.

Immigration does not needs reform. We do not need to make it easier to come here. We already have thousands of humans legally immigrating here every year. Every single rule and law for immigration is already written. The only problem we have, is the federal government no enforcing the laws.
+ 1
 
ololll traz is muslim bro.
but that being said, notice how muslims that migrate to n.america don't behave like in france/britain.
muslim pop here is pretty chill...cause we let them be, they are allowed to do their thing and everyone is happy.
in france they burn the flag and loot and riot...britian appears to be a breeding ground for extremism. doesn't happen here.
muslims adapt and assimilate in n.america
what makes canada and the usa great, under legal circumstances, we generaly welcome diversity and promote a "do wtf you want" culture

Domestic extremism/terrorism has been on the rise with our generally peaceful Muslim brothers/sisters. Look at the arrests just this year for Muslim extremists born in the United States....Jihad Jane and her ilk.
 
ololll traz is muslim bro.
but that being said, notice how muslims that migrate to n.america don't behave like in france/britain.
muslim pop here is pretty chill...cause we let them be, they are allowed to do their thing and everyone is happy.
in france they burn the flag and loot and riot...britian appears to be a breeding ground for extremism. doesn't happen here.
muslims adapt and assimilate in n.america
what makes canada and the usa great, under legal circumstances, we generaly welcome diversity and promote a "do wtf you want" culture

Dude where under the sun do you get your information? you are totally discombobulated!

The Attorney General's office- said there are numerous Jihad terror training camps all
over the US. Training people to fire AK-47s, rocket launchers, mortars, and explosives.

The Fuqua members (extrem islamists) in the US have been suspected of fraud against
various govermental entitlement programs in effort to financially support their activities.
They been investigated for murder, arson, firebombing all over the US.

2003 the FBI shut one of these camps down in Virginia.

You are being willfully naive if you think these people are just chilling over here.
Their "Wahabists" they hate what they call infidels.

Islam is not a peaceful faith!

No, they don't assimilate here, they bring their mantra, and culture right with them.
 
Dude where under the sun do you get your information? you are totally discombobulated!

The Attorney General's office- said there are numerous Jihad terror training camps all
over the US. Training people to fire AK-47s, rocket launchers, mortars, and explosives.

The Fuqua members (extrem islamists) in the US have been suspected of fraud against
various govermental entitlement programs in effort to financially support their activities.
They been investigated for murder, arson, firebombing all over the US.

2003 the FBI shut one of these camps down in Virginia.

You are being willfully naive if you think these people are just chilling over here.
Their "Wahabists" they hate what they call infidels.

Islam is not a peaceful faith!

No, they don't assimilate here, they bring their mantra, and culture right with them.
I have been around more Muslims than prolly any of you guys. Islam is not a viloent faith, and there are many practicing Muslims, who do not wish to be associated with there extreme bruthas, who bomb shit and kill people in the name of Islam. Radicals use various excuses to be violent and kill in the name of whatever, not only Islam, but look at teh Klan. The klan use to kill in the name of Christanity, which is bull shit, nobody is saying Christianity is a violent religion. Lots of oppressed people in Iraq and Afgan that will tell you if this is Islam, then fuck Islam, we want no part, but truth be known Islam does not teach violence.
 
I have been around more Muslims than prolly any of you guys. Islam is not a viloent faith, and there are many practicing Muslims, who do not wish to be associated with there extreme bruthas, who bomb shit and kill people in the name of Islam. Radicals use various excuses to be violent and kill in the name of whatever, not only Islam, but look at teh Klan. The klan use to kill in the name of Christanity, which is bull shit, nobody is saying Christianity is a violent religion. Lots of oppressed people in Iraq and Afgan that will tell you if this is Islam, then fuck Islam, we want no part, but truth be known Islam does not teach violence.

Read the Koran. The prophet Mohammed was a blood thirsty man, he had an harem, he
had a nine year old wife, he liked little girls.

The koran is full of hate towards the infidels "eliminate them".

Goes back around our countries independance. Libya was pirating our ships.
Thomas Jefferson went over there to use diplomacy with king of libya, and it didn't work.

The king of Libya read a verse out of the Koran and said " your an infidel, I"m allowed
to kill you". So Jefferson sent the marines over and the stomped a mud-hole in their ass.

Bro, don't buy into the hype Islam is not a peaceful faith. Read the Koran!
 
Read the Koran. The prophet Mohammed was a blood thirsty man, he had an harem, he
had a nine year old wife, he liked little girls.

The koran is full of hate towards the infidels "eliminate them".

Goes back around our countries independance. Libya was pirating our ships.
Thomas Jefferson went over there to use diplomacy with king of libya, and it didn't work.

The king of Libya read a verse out of the Koran and said " your an infidel, I"m allowed
to kill you". So Jefferson sent the marines over and the stomped a mud-hole in their ass.

Bro, don't buy into the hype Islam is not a peaceful faith. Read the Koran!

I must say I have never read the Koran, and it seems as thou you have. I am not fooled by any of these extremist bro. I just know what I have seen first hand with these people. But I am all for kicking the ass end out of their pants bro. I have been there and seen them scurry like cock roaches, at the fear of the greatest military power in the world. I have also seen the faces of women and children who have been opressed and the joy in their eyes when they see that someone has come to help.
 
I must say I have never read the Koran, and it seems as thou you have. I am not fooled by any of these extremist bro. I just know what I have seen first hand with these people. But I am all for kicking the ass end out of their pants bro. I have been there and seen them scurry like cock roaches, at the fear of the greatest military power in the world. I have also seen the faces of women and children who have been opressed and the joy in their eyes when they see that someone has come to help.

That's why with the aid of God and the greatest military in the world we will
overcome radical islamists.
 
That's why with the aid of God and the greatest military in the world we will
overcome radical islamists.
+1 my friend.
 
Thats not exactly what I said. I just said I think its hypocritical for anyone that lives in the US to claim that someone else is an immigrant and that they are not. 500 years ago we committed the worst act of genocide in the history of the world, we killed millions and took the land for our own. You are just as much an immigrant as the guy from guatemala sitting on the bus next to you.

the difference is I've contributed to this nation from birth.. the guy that just got here rejects my values, refuses to contribute but expects me to pay to feed him, his wife and kids, provide for dental, and educate them, all at the same time that they want to continue to say "I don't want to be american, i just want the stuff" ..

Immigration is for those that have value, who contribute or seeking persecution from their own countries...

I don't have self hate for accomplishments or short failings of those that came before me, o guilt nor desire to make up for those that preceded me.. so no, hypocrisy at all.
 
I said "Mideast Muslim Extremists". I have friends who are Muslims, and they're not the ones who sue to have toilets re-oriented, or to cause public disturbances. Once in awhile you run into one in the USA; such as one who told me at Costco that I was a "Christian parasite, and I should be exterminated... But unfortunately it's illegal in your stupid country you call the USA". THOSE are the extremists I'm talking about, who aren't welcome here.

Charles
 
Dude where under the sun do you get your information? you are totally discombobulated!

The Attorney General's office- said there are numerous Jihad terror training camps all
over the US. Training people to fire AK-47s, rocket launchers, mortars, and explosives.

The Fuqua members (extrem islamists) in the US have been suspected of fraud against
various govermental entitlement programs in effort to financially support their activities.
They been investigated for murder, arson, firebombing all over the US.

2003 the FBI shut one of these camps down in Virginia.

You are being willfully naive if you think these people are just chilling over here.
Their "Wahabists" they hate what they call infidels.

Islam is not a peaceful faith!

No, they don't assimilate here, they bring their mantra, and culture right with them.

So just so you know, Wahabists and all the above mentioned are not even "real" Islamic cultures or sects...they name themselves Islamists but they're really not...their beliefs go against the Quoran...I know, because i'm, muslim.

You have a skewed view of the Islamic faith and I dont blame you. Lots of fuckin psychos out there, but this is a one sided arguments....

If you want to take about immigration problems, let's talk about what % of that is Islamic fanatascism.

You want to talk facts, let's talk numbers....

The biggest number of illegal immigrants in the states are?? Hispanics....the biggest crime rate in the states are?? Blacks....

Islam gets the bad rep because fanatical musclims put on a fuckin theatrical show with their fuckin goat humping savage ways....give us good muslims a bad name

A drop of oil can contaminate an entire clean supply of water...keep that in mind. One bad apple can ruin the whole batch of good apples. That's why, even though maybe 4% of Islam around the world is terrorism-oriented, that's all anyone sees because they are the only ones that media takes interest in.

But anyways, back on topic.

The first rule of immigrating to ANY country is you should be able to speak the damn language....and you should have the credentials to be an active member of society. Don't fuckin come here and live off of welfare and use my tax money because you're damn lazy.
 
So just so you know, Wahabists and all the above mentioned are not even "real" Islamic cultures or sects...they name themselves Islamists but they're really not...their beliefs go against the Quoran...I know, because i'm, muslim.

You have a skewed view of the Islamic faith and I dont blame you. Lots of fuckin psychos out there, but this is a one sided arguments....

If you want to take about immigration problems, let's talk about what % of that is Islamic fanatascism.

You want to talk facts, let's talk numbers....

The biggest number of illegal immigrants in the states are?? Hispanics....the biggest crime rate in the states are?? Blacks....

Islam gets the bad rep because fanatical musclims put on a fuckin theatrical show with their fuckin goat humping savage ways....give us good muslims a bad name

A drop of oil can contaminate an entire clean supply of water...keep that in mind. One bad apple can ruin the whole batch of good apples. That's why, even though maybe 4% of Islam around the world is terrorism-oriented, that's all anyone sees because they are the only ones that media takes interest in.

But anyways, back on topic.

The first rule of immigrating to ANY country is you should be able to speak the damn language....and you should have the credentials to be an active member of society. Don't fuckin come here and live off of welfare and use my tax money because you're damn lazy.

First off we must of got off track what the post was about illegal immigation.
Your right the majority are Hispanic, I'm not going to argue blacks commit the most crimes(fact) not my opinion.

Is my view of Islam really skewed? Like i stated before about Mohammed he was a blood
thirsty man according to the koran. He had a nine year old wife WTF! Jesus talked peace
and didn't fondle little girls. I told you the story about T jefferson dealing with the king of
Libya. he didn't want to resolve a peacful solution. He told him your an infidel I'm allowed
to kill you. Does that sound like a peacful faith? Jefferson tryed to use tact and diplomacy,
and avoid conflict, the king of Libya didn't want to hear it. Like we got going on today.

Look bro, i"m not trying to offend any muslim, all i know is the koran talks about killing the
infidels (white people) or non-islamics. if your a true muslim your going to go by what the koran says. IMO islam is not a peaceful faith, sorry! not trying to offend you one iota.

Then again I been known to be wrong!
 
First off we must of got off track what the post was about illegal immigation.
Your right the majority are Hispanic, I'm not going to argue blacks commit the most crimes(fact) not my opinion.

Is my view of Islam really skewed? Like i stated before about Mohammed he was a blood
thirsty man according to the koran. He had a nine year old wife WTF! Jesus talked peace
and didn't fondle little girls. I told you the story about T jefferson dealing with the king of
Libya. he didn't want to resolve a peacful solution. He told him your an infidel I'm allowed
to kill you. Does that sound like a peacful faith? Jefferson tryed to use tact and diplomacy,
and avoid conflict, the king of Libya didn't want to hear it. Like we got going on today.

Look bro, i"m not trying to offend any muslim, all i know is the koran talks about killing the
infidels (white people) or non-islamics. if your a true muslim your going to go by what the koran says. IMO islam is not a peaceful faith, sorry! not trying to offend you one iota.

Then again I been known to be wrong!

let's not even go here! You may not want to offend anyone, but making broad statements about someones faith w/ only a small portion of the information is offensive to me and I would consider myself a very devout Christian!

We are people of the book!

Shalom

As Salamu Slaykum
 
First off we must of got off track what the post was about illegal immigation.
Your right the majority are Hispanic, I'm not going to argue blacks commit the most crimes(fact) not my opinion.

Is my view of Islam really skewed? Like i stated before about Mohammed he was a blood
thirsty man according to the koran. He had a nine year old wife WTF! Jesus talked peace
and didn't fondle little girls. I told you the story about T jefferson dealing with the king of
Libya. he didn't want to resolve a peacful solution. He told him your an infidel I'm allowed
to kill you. Does that sound like a peacful faith? Jefferson tryed to use tact and diplomacy,
and avoid conflict, the king of Libya didn't want to hear it. Like we got going on today.

Look bro, i"m not trying to offend any muslim, all i know is the koran talks about killing the
infidels (white people) or non-islamics. if your a true muslim your going to go by what the koran says. IMO islam is not a peaceful faith, sorry! not trying to offend you one iota.

Then again I been known to be wrong!


Have you read the koran?

I have read the koran 5 times
I have also read the bible and the torat (jewish book)

The koran says nothing about killing people...the only thing it says about that is that it is wrong

seriously before you make broad statements you should learn about something

It also mentions that God is forgiving and in talks about Prophet Mohammad, it mentions a story that the prophet has a Jew neighbor who used to see him every morning when they both took out the trash and used to say good morning to each other. One day, when the jewish neighbor didnt take out the trash, the prophet got worried, so he took out his neighbor's trash and visited the neighbor at home to make sure he was ok....does that sound unjust to you?

Also, just so you get your facts straight, a long time ago, Christians used to marry young girls so they can help keep them off the streets

The Prophet married a young girl so he can teach her religion and get her off the street.....this happened in all cultures in those times, not just Islam. Girls used to be married off at 10....promised to a man for their husbands to raise em, including devout christians...I have studied both faiths and I know enough about both religions to know you know very little about either.

I mean not to offend you either bro, nor am I calling you ignorant, i'm just saying I urge you to read and ask about it before you make vast statements like that.
 
Bro, i read both religions. I have a minor in theology<doesn't mean I'm an expert. The koran also mentions jesus was born of a virgin, but they don't like that part.
History say's mohammed was a blood thirsty man! it's true bro. Bro to say i know little about both religions is just absurd, you should know more about islam then me
but I warrent you, you don't know more about the bible then me! Could you please enlighten me and show me in the bible where a man married a 10 yr old girl< can't do it!
maybe thirteen when their child bearing. how does that justify Mohammed having a harem and a nine year old wife. come on bro! Please!

Talking about you read the bible I'm sure you took for what it literally said, The New Testament was witten in Greeek. You have to understand how the greek language is set updifferent
from the English.For starter, the syntax is different then the English there paradoxes, connotations, ellipses' through out it. The Book of Revelations was written in a cryptic manner.
Which would take years of diligent study to understand. On that note I'm going to venture to say what you read in the bible you tottaly misconstrued.

Actually, i didn't make a broad statement it's the muslims doing the majority of the violence not christians. Where does this stuff come from the more infidels you kill the greater reward you get
in heaven. I don't know! But rest assure i'm going to find out. I have a copy of the koran I'm going to read it again.

Again, no offense taken from you calling me ingnorant, hope none taken from what I said.
 
let's not even go here! You may not want to offend anyone, but making broad statements about someones faith w/ only a small portion of the information is offensive to me and I would consider myself a very devout Christian!

We are people of the book!

Shalom

As Salamu Slaykum

If your a devout Christian what do you care about Islam for.
 
Uhhhh, you either talk to some strange people or you just have a very depressing life. Technically, if you want to be specific, EVERYONE is an immigrant from somewhere, no matter where it is.

I have a problem with Immigrants that don't want to pay taxes or contribute to the welfare of the country that they snuck in to. I have no problems if you want to move here and follow the laws like the rest of us.

This thread, sucks and is pointless...

-Legacy

Exactly!!!
 
I think the problem is fundamentalism across all faiths (however loosely they actually adhere to said faith) & the subsequent majority apathy towards said extremism from any specific religion.

Extremist religious nuts need to be liquidated for blood & organs.
 
Have you read the koran?

I have read the koran 5 times
I have also read the bible and the torat (jewish book)

The koran says nothing about killing people...the only thing it says about that is that it is wrong

seriously before you make broad statements you should learn about something

It also mentions that God is forgiving and in talks about Prophet Mohammad, it mentions a story that the prophet has a Jew neighbor who used to see him every morning when they both took out the trash and used to say good morning to each other. One day, when the jewish neighbor didnt take out the trash, the prophet got worried, so he took out his neighbor's trash and visited the neighbor at home to make sure he was ok....does that sound unjust to you?

Also, just so you get your facts straight, a long time ago, Christians used to marry young girls so they can help keep them off the streets

The Prophet married a young girl so he can teach her religion and get her off the street.....this happened in all cultures in those times, not just Islam. Girls used to be married off at 10....promised to a man for their husbands to raise em, including devout christians...I have studied both faiths and I know enough about both religions to know you know very little about either.

I mean not to offend you either bro, nor am I calling you ignorant, i'm just saying I urge you to read and ask about it before you make vast statements like that.
Plank marries young girlz, is he a prophet??:evil:
 
What do I care? They are ppl of the book! My faith requires me to laove everyone, not just those on the "saved list"!!

I realise that bro, you should love your enemies, and make no mistake about it their our
enemies. I have to go to class, later i will explain how they are our enemies. It goes
back to Abraham.

It just seemed like you were agreeing with him in his doctrine. That's a no-no in the
Christian realm.

later... I'm going to get the led out!
 
Bro, i read both religions. I have a minor in theology<doesn't mean I'm an expert. The koran also mentions jesus was born of a virgin, but they don't like that part.
History say's mohammed was a blood thirsty man! it's true bro. Bro to say i know little about both religions is just absurd, you should know more about islam then me
but I warrent you, you don't know more about the bible then me! Could you please enlighten me and show me in the bible where a man married a 10 yr old girl< can't do it!
maybe thirteen when their child bearing. how does that justify Mohammed having a harem and a nine year old wife. come on bro! Please!

Talking about you read the bible I'm sure you took for what it literally said, The New Testament was witten in Greeek. You have to understand how the greek language is set updifferent
from the English.For starter, the syntax is different then the English there paradoxes, connotations, ellipses' through out it. The Book of Revelations was written in a cryptic manner.
Which would take years of diligent study to understand. On that note I'm going to venture to say what you read in the bible you tottaly misconstrued.

Actually, i didn't make a broad statement it's the muslims doing the majority of the violence not christians. Where does this stuff come from the more infidels you kill the greater reward you get
in heaven. I don't know! But rest assure i'm going to find out. I have a copy of the koran I'm going to read it again.

Again, no offense taken from you calling me ingnorant, hope none taken from what I said.

I have a MS in History, thesis was on the Crusades.... father was a PAstor as was his father... Save the rhetoric bro! You clearly have no idea what your talking about most of the time...You clearly seem more interested in winning, then the truth! If you would like to have a BIBICAL DEBATE then I would be more then happy to accomadate you in PM's not here!! Scolding you and correcting publicly would only embarrase the two of us!!

Jesus calls us to love other, nothing more!!!

sorry for my part in the thread hyjacking :(
 
First off we must of got off track what the post was about illegal immigation.
Your right the majority are Hispanic, I'm not going to argue blacks commit the most crimes(fact) not my opinion.

Is my view of Islam really skewed? Like i stated before about Mohammed he was a blood
thirsty man according to the koran. He had a nine year old wife WTF! Jesus talked peace
and didn't fondle little girls. I told you the story about T jefferson dealing with the king of
Libya. he didn't want to resolve a peacful solution. He told him your an infidel I'm allowed
to kill you. Does that sound like a peacful faith? Jefferson tryed to use tact and diplomacy,
and avoid conflict, the king of Libya didn't want to hear it. Like we got going on today.

Look bro, i"m not trying to offend any muslim, all i know is the koran talks about killing the
infidels (white people) or non-islamics. if your a true muslim your going to go by what the koran says. IMO islam is not a peaceful faith, sorry! not trying to offend you one iota.

Then again I been known to be wrong!

LOL at you thinking you know more about Islam that I do....where did you learn about Islam, in a North American university??

I learned through sheikhs in the middle east...who do you think will know more about it?

Also, in Islam, Jesus is born through a virgin - his mother...who said we don't like that?? are you kidding? lol....your information is not credible at all.....the only difference is Islam believes that Jesus is a prophet but he's only a man....while Christians state that he is the son of God....thats the diff.

Anyways, lets put an end to the argument about religion

Let's take this thread back on topic please.
 
I realise that bro, you should love your enemies, and make no mistake about it their our
enemies. I have to go to class, later i will explain how they are our enemies. It goes
back to Abraham.

It just seemed like you were agreeing with him in his doctrine. That's a no-no in the
Christian realm.

later... I'm going to get the led out!

I don't need you to explain anything to me...Just how arrogant are you? They are not the enemies silly boy! Ignorance is the enemy!! Hatred is the enemy!!

Agreeing w/ him? He hasn't mentioned anything about doctrine...

The Devil called and he wants his old job back of turning ppl away from God! It seems you've stolen it!
 
LOL at you thinking you know more about Islam that I do....where did you learn about Islam, in a North American university??

I learned through sheikhs in the middle east...who do you think will know more about it?

You don't feel scholars would have access to the same materials - for both faiths - regardless if they were were Western or Arabic?

Or are you inferring Western scholars are incapable of impartial study towards Islam (actual scholars, not some fanny that spent 2 years "studying" it in between all the drinking and whoring at college)?
 
You don't feel scholars would have access to the same materials - for both faiths - regardless if they were were Western or Arabic?

Or are you inferring Western scholars are incapable of impartial study towards Islam (actual scholars, not some fanny that spent 2 years "studying" it in between all the drinking and whoring at college)?

I didnt say that. I just believe that the media really affects the way "scholars" look at the entire faith.
 
LOL at you thinking you know more about Islam that I do....where did you learn about Islam, in a North American university??

I learned through sheikhs in the middle east...who do you think will know more about it?

Also, in Islam, Jesus is born through a virgin - his mother...who said we don't like that?? are you kidding? lol....your information is not credible at all.....the only difference is Islam believes that Jesus is a prophet but he's only a man....while Christians state that he is the son of God....thats the diff.

Anyways, lets put an end to the argument about religion

Let's take this thread back on topic please.

Read my post more closely, I said i knew the bible better then you not the koran.

So stop trying to argue! I can careless about any of it really nobody really knows who's right.
It's what you believe.

Your right end the argument on religion.
 
I have a MS in History, thesis was on the Crusades.... father was a PAstor as was his father... Save the rhetoric bro! You clearly have no idea what your talking about most of the time...You clearly seem more interested in winning, then the truth! If you would like to have a BIBICAL DEBATE then I would be more then happy to accomadate you in PM's not here!! Scolding you and correcting publicly would only embarrase the two of us!!

Jesus calls us to love other, nothing more!!!

sorry for my part in the thread hyjacking :(

I said a had a minor in theology, and said it doesn't make me an expert. But you think you clearly have the truth because you have a father who was a PASTOR and did a thesis
on the crusades, all that does is make you IMPOSSIBLE to deal with. For someone
with your backround , and supposed to have integrity ,you would think you woundn't
have to stoop that low and say derogatory remarks to me, and call me offensive names.
And act superior like you could actually scold me, sit down! Your a pious hypocrite,
self righteous, superficial holy, bible beater. Have a debate with you (LOL) I would know
what you would talk about before the debate started (evangelism, an proselytizing )like every other limited Pharisee. That don't have a clue of what God's objectives really are.
Your snide remarks, and demeaning name calling showed me YOUR A FAKE PREACHER BOY.

Remember Jesus is LOVE, so that would make you the ANTI-CHRIST
 
I said a had a minor in theology, and said it doesn't make me an expert. But you think you clearly have the truth because you have a father who was a PASTOR and did a thesis
on the crusades, all that does is make you IMPOSSIBLE to deal with. For someone
with your backround , and supposed to have integrity ,you would think you woundn't
have to stoop that low and say derogatory remarks to me, and call me offensive names.
And act superior like you could actually scold me, sit down! Your a pious hypocrite,
self righteous, superficial holy, bible beater. Have a debate with you (LOL) I would know
what you would talk about before the debate started (evangelism, an proselytizing )like every other limited Pharisee. That don't have a clue of what God's objectives really are.
Your snide remarks, and demeaning name calling showed me YOUR A FAKE PREACHER BOY.

Remember Jesus is LOVE, so that would make you the ANTI-CHRIST

Normally at this point I wouldn't even bother to respond, but you're kind of making this easy!


I said a had a minor in theology, and said it doesn't make me an expert. But you think you clearly have the truth because you have a father who was a PASTOR and did a thesis
on the crusades, all that does is make you IMPOSSIBLE to deal with.

It was you who implied that you had a superior knowledge of the bible. Didn't you write this?

The New Testament was witten in Greeek. You have to understand how the greek language is set updifferent
from the English.For starter, the syntax is different then the English there paradoxes, connotations, ellipses' through out it. The Book of Revelations was written in a cryptic manner.
Which would take years of diligent study to understand. On that note I'm going to venture to say what you read in the bible you tottaly misconstrued.

I was indeed suggesting that given my background, both because of my upbringing and education that I too understand the bible. Inclucding the greek!

The difference is that I didn't try to belittle someone of a different faith for not having the same understanding that i do on a piticular subject.

For someone
with your backround , and supposed to have integrity ,you would think you woundn't
have to stoop that low and say derogatory remarks to me, and call me offensive names.
And act superior like you could actually scold me, sit down! Your a pious hypocrite,
self righteous, superficial holy, bible beater.

Oh the irony.. :)

Have a debate with you (LOL) I would know
what you would talk about before the debate started (evangelism, an proselytizing )like every other limited Pharisee.That don't have a clue of what God's objectives really are.

Clearly you must be a prophet of the Most High w/ your abibility to see into the future..! " Don't have a clue what God's objectives are" I would suggest that they are not coming here and attacking ppls faith and belief systems simply because you lack understanding!! Again, the irony is not lost on me.
Your snide remarks, and demeaning name calling showed me YOUR A FAKE PREACHER BOY.

Remember Jesus is LOVE, so that would make you the ANTI-CHRIST

Perhaps you don't consider calling ppl the enemy offensive simpy because they don't believe what you do, but I for one as a Christian do find that offensive!

I corrected you out of love brother! You seem to lack the wisom to understand that.

Jesus did not do what he did so that we could spend our time attacking other ppl...
 
Normally at this point I wouldn't even bother to respond, but you're kind of making this easy!

I made it easy because your so brilliant, and your gonna bestow your vast array of profound
knowledge upon me



It was you who implied that you had a superior knowledge of the bible. Didn't you write this?

no I said I had a minor in theology, and said it doesn't make me an expert Please read the post better.


I was indeed suggesting that given my background, both because of my upbringing and education that I too understand the bible. Inclucding the greek!

The debate had nothing to do with you, you hijacked it.

The difference is that I didn't try to belittle someone of a different faith for not having the same understanding that i do on a piticular subject.

Maybe, i did ,but you tried to belittle me with your backround


No, Bro I can take correction,and maybe your right I did come off a little condenscending!

It was a debate! so things get a little hairy, but you also came off a little condenscending, yes you did. At first a was being nice to you not hostile at all, read the first posts, you came at me
a little strange.


Oh the irony.. :)
The only irony here is your claiming your devout christian and your name calling


Clearly you must be a prophet of the Most High w/ your abibility to see into the future..! " Don't have a clue what God's objectives are" I would suggest that they are not coming here and attacking ppls faith and belief systems simply because you lack understanding!! Again, the irony is not lost on me.

No, no prophet, clealy you think you are wanting to debate with people like you gonna kick
my ass in the debate. i don't lack understanding anymore you opened my eyes with infinite
wisdom.

Perhaps you don't consider calling ppl the enemy offensive simpy because they don't believe what you do, but I for one as a Christian do find that offensive!

Well you called me a silly little boy,I'm 38 Jesus said love your enemies we must have enemies

I corrected you out of love brother! You seem to lack the wisom to understand that.

Well I don't know! You acted a little superior ,I lack what you would call "wisdom"

Jesus did not do what he did so that we could spend our time attacking other ppl...

Your right so why did you attack me.

I'm done with this thread!!

see ya going to get the led out...
 
Domestic extremism/terrorism has been on the rise with our generally peaceful Muslim brothers/sisters. Look at the arrests just this year for Muslim extremists born in the United States....Jihad Jane and her ilk.

yeah and you are always gonna have that.
but on a per-capita basis i don't think the avg muslim is more prone to violence than anyone else.
and with obama and the militia type racists, the homegrown terroist bro scares me just as much.
 
I love all my EF robs regardless of religious affiliation

I'm gonna either go with Scientology or Hedonism.

Javaguruism is fun and the dental plan is great, but I can't pull-off the smarmy thing toward other believers.
 
I'm gonna either go with Scientology or Hedonism.

Javaguruism is fun and the dental plan is great, but I can't pull-off the smarmy thing toward other believers.

lol one of my biggest customers - spends over half a million dollars with me, is a devout scientologist who tries to convert me for 30 minutes every time we talk lmao
 
never met a bad muslim before, all been cool.
i could give a fug about bros wearing burkas, turbans, praying at noon, wtf ever.
as long as no one blows me or my fam up and doesn't impose their religion on me all good
 
I don't think this thread turned the way the OP suspected it would.
 
Here goes this skins fans dick head again. First he hates cops, now he wants to let illegal fucking aliens have our country. Boy you need to STFU. When the god damn illegals start dying for this country then they can become legal citizens, but that ain't gonna happen you fucking idiot. These mutha fuckers want a free ride on the shirt tail of all who have sacraficed to make this country great. If it were my choice I would shot all the mutha fuckers on site.

Iraq war veteran may be denied citizenship - Los Angeles Times
 
To be fair, a lot of illegals pay taxes via sales tax and those who have fake SS cards and employment pay payroll taxes yet get no SS benefits.

Its probably not nearly enough to make it worth our while to let them remain here illegally. Plus theres the tiny fact that theyre breaking the law.

Other undocs pay taxes with a special tax registration number and then never collect. Taxes aren't deducted from their wages, but they go out of their way to pay every year because they think it will help them become documented (even there there is absolutely no pathway to LPR status/citizenship for them).
 
yeah and you are always gonna have that.
but on a per-capita basis i don't think the avg muslim is more prone to violence than anyone else.
and with obama and the militia type racists, the homegrown terroist bro scares me just as much.

From the early 1990's when Islamic nutjobs, like Bin laden, decided infidels on sacred ground are worthy of Jihad and added it to the support of Israel as a list of grievances against the United States, how many religious based domestic terrorist attacks were attempted by citizens? You get the occasional Christian terrorist that bombs an abortion clinic or murders a doctor but a casual look at the religious domestic nutjobs...they're Muslim. Most Christians have abandoned their militant streak against society, other than gays and abortion, but many Muslim beliefs conflict with our "Christian" culture. Per capita, there are a hell of a lot more domestic Muslim nutjobs than Christian nutjobs....and I'm no fan of Christos.
 
Everyone always comes back...no one really leaves.
 
Reason for leaving is moot, so I am now free to impart my wisdom to you all in immigration, crim pro and bug threads. You're giddy, I'm sure.

Your wisdom on the subject of Entomology will be well received. The Bug menace is only secondary to the zombie plague.....

 
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