Heart attack, Car accident, and triple bypass surgery bro's

[79steeler]

Thank's billdobaggins for all your insight into this issue. I found it interesting, and appreciate the time it took to answer.

I also want to thank again everyone for all the kind words.

I'm doing very well and am know doing thirty minutes of cardio everyday. It's been 10 days since my surgery and I have been feeling good and healing nicely. Oh and I had sex with my girlfriend a couple times, slow and easy of course, but it's certainly another reason to go on living. Haha.

I think I'm doing a little more than they are asking for at this point in terms of exercise, but I'm sure that most of the literature printed is for older and not quite so physically active people.

I see my surgeon again on the 4th of May, and my cardiologist not long after that. I will report back.

 

[1999TL]

Glad you are ok. That's nuts.

 

[Mr. dB]

Forgot to mention that I had a considerable loss of muscle strength on the left, particularly chest and shoulder, for about a month following that scare.

 

[redsamurai]

Inflammation doesnt cause the heartattack, it causes the plaque that leads to it. Sorry if my previous posts didn't make that clear. Without the plaque buildup you don't have coronary artery disease. So if you control inflammation you control the plaque buildup, no heart attack.......or at the very least a greatly reduced risk. I will retract for the moment my stance on genetics, I do beleive that the medical industry WAY overuses it so they can prescribe the "template therapies" they've come up with instead of looking at individual cases. The appropriate lifestyle, from what i've read.....tends to negate genetic predispositions.

On the point of plaque, can it develop without the inflammatory response? From what I was told, no......but if you know otherwise I welcome the conversation. See you're someone I can talk with.........not the little twit needledick who tried to pass himself off as a harvard med student.

Not caused by inflamation but by a lack of oxygen to that part of the heart. if there is inflamation in, on or around the heart it is treated differently than an acute heart attack which is what he had.

genetics plays a big part in your medical history including heart disease. not sure where you are getting this insight from but I hate to say you are wrong on this. I have taken care of several patients young in fact who have had heart attacks at young ages. When you start to ask about their family History it becomes clear. Father had a heart attack at or near the same age as the patient the oler brother did, mom and dads parents under went cardiac procedure at or near the same age.


Calcifications and plaque build up in the heart are two different things. A heart attack more than not is caused by plaque build up in the arteries surrounding the heart. If a vein or artery ruptures then it is considered a ruptured aneurysm which is a whole other problem.


I took care of a 24 year old guy that came into my ER with chest pain. Plays sports, very active but had a huge heart attack. he was sent off to the cath lab and walked out 2 days later. he was a lucky SOB.

 

[redsamurai]

yes a heart attack can cause arrhythmias. Do you know why this is?

that statement pertained to a pm conversation I had with the aforementioned needledick. It was a rhetorical question because he seemed to not understand the relationship between ischemia and arryhthmia's.

 

[redsamurai]

I know you're not Pat, you see he's adding something of value to the discussion. You just said "shut up I'm a doctor", than "shut up I'm in med school", than.........well than nothing. I looked at your profile and saw you're a nuclear technologist, the same person who performed the that very same test on me last week. I think you have a complex about your position in life, might want to think about that.

And second bro, I'm not selling anything. If anyone has any sort of personal material stake in this debate it's you "IF" you're really in med school. And wtf is with the obsession with the spelling? Are you a woman? No dude I've ever run across would get his nylons running up his vulva like you do over such innocuous shit. Did you pull your uterus or something? Ice it or something but stfu about it. Jesus, I wrote cardiolight instead of "cardiolite".....OMFG!!..... OCD bro, google it.

Well I guess I must be Pat_McCrotch as well. I must be behind every single person on here that adds to and/or disagrees with your vastly superior knowledge! Excellent deductive reasoning skills! Sorry bro. Not me. Maybe one of the others that are disagreeing with you. But since you brought my name back into it....,

Again with the spelling and incorrect terminology. I point this out because I don't understand how you can expect people to buy what you are selling here when you can't even spell basic terms like arrhythmia and/or Cardiolite? Anyone as educated on this subject as you claim to be would be able to spell these words! And "nuke machine"? Are you serious? PLEASE KEEP ME OUT OF YOUR BULLSHIT! I HAVE BEEN DONE WITH YOU! For Christ's sake! GET OVER IT!

 

[redsamurai]

Forgot to mention that I had a considerable loss of muscle strength on the left, particularly chest and shoulder, for about a month following that scare.

so they're telling you you didn't have a heart attack? wtf did you have then, or do they not really know??

 

[Bigpimpin10]

^^ massive post!! haha

 

[79steeler]

This is such great info bro's thank's again. I can only hope that this helps others get the tests done, so no other good bro's have to go through what I did.

 

[redsamurai]

red again sorry for my very first rude post. You seem to know more than the average person and studied this and I think thats great

Imflammation absolutely causes plaque growth. I had a great powerpoint from years ago illustrating the effects of imflammation on the growth of plaques, as well as smoked tobacco, high triglycerides and high ldl cholesterol particles.
They all look pretty much the same.
Imflammation also not only plays a key role in causing the plaques, it also plays a key role in bursting the plaques. Which plaque rupture is what causes heart attacks. So alot of factors come together

But, genetics is huge particularly if you have a same sex parent whose had a heart attack before age 65 for a woman and age 55 for a man. If they are older, we say meh, doesnt count, although it kinda does but not as a significant risk factor like hypertension, diabetes, etc...

So is it known "Exactly" why genetics plays a role? Let me clarify, what is the exact "deficiency" or whatnot that causes people to be susceptible to heart attacks if their parents were? Is it some lack of ability to deal with these plaque buildups? Is it a predisposition to a highly acidic body environment that promotes inflammation? In all my studying on this I've only come across the genetics argument "as is"....meaning they just say "genetics", not HOW your genetics suck.

I still think genetic predispositions can be beaten "IF" you're willing to accept that the body wasn't made to metabolize certain dietary habits that have become STAPLE in the west. The asians for example I don't beleive suffer less from heart attacks because of their genetics........but if they started eating and consuming what we here in the west do, it might take a few generations....but they'd be right here where we are. The japanese have a very high rate of stomach cancer......that's not genetic, that's because of their high salt seafood diets. I'm just not 100% sold on the genetics argument. Yes, I understand "predisposition", but I don't like how the medical industry was completely willing for so many years to ignore alot of crucial environmental factors in alot of our disease's yet be completely happy to prescribe us drugs that I still say, yes it's my "opinion", but I still say those drugs are real bad for us........but it's a sliding scale. Meaning that the alternatives under our current conditions are worse, so the drugs come out looking like champs. At the very least the drugs are very unethically prescribed. A guy who's had a mild heart attack and his heart has bounced back nearly 100% within days........he probably doesn't need the drug cocktail they're going to be pushing on him. What has to first and foremost be determined is his environmental factors. 79steeler has told us hid diet was spot on, I take him at his word on that.......but let's be perfectly honest, most guys that have had heart problems later acknowledge that they were doing too much in one area or another. I really beleive the acidic environment that western diets promote is a breeding ground for inflammation which leads to all sorts of maladies in the body, not just plaque buildup. The undigestable food we all have rotting in our guts at any given time is a primer for acid, so is coffee..unfortunately cause I used to LOVE THE SHIT out of coffee. I had to give it up though cause even small amoutns of caffeine now give me palpitations. Cola's are another huge acid maker........I mean nothing by itself would be such a big deal, but in totality, when you take the meat..the coffee...the processed carbs and sugars......all that which the body has difficulty digesting which creates the acidic environments where inflammation flourishes, it all works against us.

The other problem I have with the beta's and ACE's is that if you take them long enough, you can never come off them. This I was told straight up by my cardiologists. I'll give the doctor from the cleveland clinic credit, she was straight up about this with me and didn't want me on them for too long. My original cardiologist, who's dad is a big shot at the clinic......said nary a word to me about this. That's kind of a bid deal and that "failure to mention" this and a few other things is why I hold some distrust of people in this field now. I read at the mayon clinic that people who have been on em long enough and tried to come off actually had heart attacks or some other form of heart failure becuase the drugs took over the rythm functions so much that once the drug was stopped or attempted to wean off.......it caused an MI or cardiomyopathy and in some cases the patients died. I don't like drugs that cause you to become hooked on them.