First Cycle Log --- Test/Dbol/Tren

[the.gladiator1987]

Whats up everybody, im making a log of my first cycle, test/dbol/tren

Here are my stats first
Age: 21
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 175
BF%: 10%

Cycle looks like this
Test 500mg week 1-10
Dbol 30mg week 1-4
Tren (PH) week 8-11
Clomid 25mg week 12-15
Nolva 10mg week 12-15
PP's Test Recovery Stack

Also have aromasin on hand.


I took my first injection today, 250mg test! 250mg every Monday/Thursday.
Its working great so far already added 1 inch to my arms and 10lbs on bench jk

WORKOUT
I didnt work out that much, only for about 15 minutes. Just did a couple quick sets

DB Press
-80 x 15
-100 x 8

Weighted Dips
-80lb + bodyweight x 10

DIET
Basically my diet wasnt great because i had no idea I was starting my cycle today! But it is a bulking diet until week 8

Meal 1: 2 cups honey bunches of oats, 3 cups milk, 650 calories
Meal 3: 1 bag popcorn w/ butter, 400 calories
Meal 4: 1 piece pizza, 200 calories
Meal 5: Chicken w/ mayo, 480 calories
Meal 6: Salted peanuts, 900 calories
Total: 2,630
LOL just looking at this diet makes me fatter! But again I didnt know I was gonna be starting today, I am going to be eating a lot cleaner.


Thanks for looking, ill keep this updated every day!

 

[sweed]

No that diet looks great!
the tren-tfo may be a bit overkill, but it is a first cycle and that is exactly what I did for my first (sans the tren of course). except I ran the test 12 weeks and the dbol 6 weeks.
What's your 'real' diet look like??
Good Luck broski!

 

[gear63]

are you planning on staying below 3000 cals. can you gain with that? says on your profile you want fighting advice what style? best workouts for MMA is high explosive moves like jerks, cleans and snatchs CARDIO good luck! how are your macros ? i would eat meals 4and 5 together still not enough try for 750-1000 calories a meal! 5 times a day more protein!

 

[sweed]

you can make gains on 2500 cals. you don't need 6000 cals to gain lbm. That's how u gain fat.
300 grams protein is 1200 cals. so the other 1800, 2800, will come from carbs and fats.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Thanks for the responses

heres my real diet probably starting in a week or 2

wake up: 2 cups milk
cardio
meal 1: 1 cup oatmeal, 1 cup milk, 3 eggs
meal 2: 8 oz chicken, 1 potatoe, broccoli, 2 tbsp ANPB
meal 3: 1 can chicken, 1 apple
meal 4: 8 oz chicken, 1 potatoe
work out
POST W/O: broccoli, 1 banana
30 minutes after post w/o: 8 oz meat
Before bed: 2 tbsp ANPB, 1 can tuna, 1 tbsp olive oil, 1 cup milk, 1 cup cottage cheese

 

[the.gladiator1987]

are you planning on staying below 3000 cals. can you gain with that? says on your profile you want fighting advice what style? best workouts for MMA is high explosive moves like jerks, cleans and snatchs CARDIO good luck! how are your macros ? i would eat meals 4and 5 together still not enough try for 750-1000 calories a meal! 5 times a day more protein!

I plan on eating anything I can the first 8 weeks, then cutting it down the last 4 weeks and running more.

As far as MMA I am going to a Muay thai kickboxing meeting next week and he said its great for beginners! I will include cleansm jerks, cardio later in the cycle I want mass for the first 8 weeks..

Im trying to get 4000kcal a day!

 

[sweed]

yams/ sweet potatoes instead of white tot's. taste better too.
do you know your macro's for this diet?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Ok here are my macros

Total cals - 3,878kcal
Protein - 390g
Carbs - 262g
Fat - 138g

P/C/F = 40/27/32

ok so I need more carbs and less fat.

 

[gear63]

MUCH better like the updated diet for sure !390 protein * ) Sometimes I can average 400+ carbs for a good week or more ( got a device that keeps all my diets calculated for me) and seriously get 5LBM off cycle, Carbs are good!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

MUCH better like the updated diet for sure !390 protein * ) Sometimes I can average 400+ carbs for a good week or more ( got a device that keeps all my diets calculated for me) and seriously get 5LBM off cycle, Carbs are good!

LOL no more popcorn and triple whoppers

How do i get more carbs/less fat in this diet?

Whats this device you are talking about???

 

[enacer420nj]

i hope this is a joke lol

 

[the.gladiator1987]

i hope this is a joke lol

Why is that brotha?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

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Is it cool to take it mid way up until PCT? 250iu 2x EW

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Day 2

WORKOUT - Shoulders/Biceps

DB Military
70 x 10
75 x 6

BB Military
115 x 6
125 x 5

Butterflies
35 x 12
25 x 12
40 x 4

BB Shrugs
225 x 12
275 x 8

BB Curl
115 x 5

DB Curl 60degree Incline
40 x 6

Just wanted to see where I was in all these lifts. I have not been working out consistently (only 2 days a week for the last 2 months).

DIET

meal 1: 1 cup milk, 1.5 cups honey bunches of oats
meal 2: 3 eggs, 2 pieces ww bread, 4 tbsp PB, 2 cups milk
meal 3: chewy granola bar, 5 ritz crackers
POST W/O: 2 protein bars, 5 ritz crackers
meal 4: mac and cheese, butter/milk, 10 ritz crackers

Total calories = 2,960


I felt good to be in the gym again with barbells (one ive been using only has DB's). My diet is still off because im living at my brothers, was happy to eat eggs today though with toast/peanut butter and milk, not too bad!

One question - are these bad things to eat?

Popcorn w/ butter
macaroni and cheese
ritz crackers
protein bars

Im looking for mass for the first 8 weeks, so im just counting calories. Im only 21 too so i dont put on fat easy.

 

[sweed]

ok, your diet, are you kidding around again??
protein bars get better bars from needto.
mac and cheese yes bad, granola bar? yes bad.
stick with eggs, chicken, steak, turkey and fish for a base. protein powder only when necessry!

 

[WinnyPumps]

Thanks for the responses

heres my real diet probably starting in a week or 2

wake up: 2 cups milk
cardio
meal 1: 1 cup oatmeal, 1 cup milk, 3 eggs
meal 2: 8 oz chicken, 1 potatoe, broccoli, 2 tbsp ANPB
meal 3: 1 can chicken, 1 apple
meal 4: 8 oz chicken, 1 potatoe
work out
POST W/O: broccoli, 1 banana
30 minutes after post w/o: 8 oz meat
Before bed: 2 tbsp ANPB, 1 can tuna, 1 tbsp olive oil, 1 cup milk, 1 cup cottage cheese

Your post workout plan is no good. Broccoli and a banana?
You should go with a 32oz gatorade or waxy maize, 10-15 minutes later about 50-60g whey protein w/ creatine (optional). Then the 8 oz meat about 1-1/2 hours later.
Before bed is pretty good, maybe seperate the tuna and cottage cheese into 2 meals

 

[the_alcatraz]

what makes you think you can run all that as a first cycle?

Better yet, what makes you think you are ready to run all this at 21?

It's waaaaaaay too much for a first cycle...are you kidding me?

 

[the_alcatraz]

what makes you think you can run all that as a first cycle?

Better yet, what makes you think you are ready to run all this at 21?

It's waaaaaaay too much for a first cycle...are you kidding me?

Edit: just noticed it is the PH version of Tren....makes all the difference in the world, but I still think a test only cycle is the way to go for a first timer...

 

[gear63]

100 percent juice is a great carbohyrate (35 g per 8 oz)choice with no fat! your post work out meal should have 100 carbs and 50 grams protein Its the most important meal of the day! oh yeah nothing wrong with mac and cheese besides the cheese being processed s*** its still an okay carb choice especially is you get whole grain mac!

granola bar and 5 ritz is not a meal its a snack you could have between meals! Here an ex. meal 1 : 1 cup of egg whites (equal to about 6 eggs)with 2 oz. cheese,2 cups milk,bagel or peanutbutter toast and a yogurt this gives you about 75 g protein 100 carbs and low fat!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Your post workout plan is no good. Broccoli and a banana?
You should go with a 32oz gatorade or waxy maize, 10-15 minutes later about 50-60g whey protein w/ creatine (optional). Then the 8 oz meat about 1-1/2 hours later.
Before bed is pretty good, maybe seperate the tuna and cottage cheese into 2 meals

I dont have whey protein, whats the best source of protein for post w/o?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Edit: just noticed it is the PH version of Tren....makes all the difference in the world, but I still think a test only cycle is the way to go for a first timer...

Ive taken dbol only for a couple weeks, and ive taken the tren PH before, so Ill be fine. IM not going to cycle every year either, maybe one every 2-3 years

 

[hiasdamoon]

I dont have whey protein, whats the best source of protein for post w/o?

If I may comment.....Did you rush into this cycle? I am not trying to be rude, because you at least got the gear in a good cycle for a beginner- albeit maybe a little over kill. But it doesn't seem like you really know how/what your going to diet. I suggest a crash course in nutrition in about an hour on the internet. I always feel that the best post w/o protein is a shake- so dunno what to tell you here.

Good luck bro- and like I said- not trying to be a dick here, just seems a little rushed for you.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

100 percent juice is a great carbohyrate (35 g per 8 oz)choice with no fat! your post work out meal should have 100 carbs and 50 grams protein Its the most important meal of the day! oh yeah nothing wrong with mac and cheese besides the cheese being processed s*** its still an okay carb choice especially is you get whole grain mac!

granola bar and 5 ritz is not a meal its a snack you could have between meals! Here an ex. meal 1 : 1 cup of egg whites (equal to about 6 eggs)with 2 oz. cheese,2 cups milk,bagel or peanutbutter toast and a yogurt this gives you about 75 g protein 100 carbs and low fat!

Thanks for the advice bro.

Heres my edited diet (again)

wake up: 2 cups milk
cardio
meal 1: 1 cup oatmeal, 1 cup milk, 3 eggs
meal 2: 8 oz chicken, 1 potatoe, broccoli, 2 tbsp ANPB
meal 3: 1 can chicken, 1 apple
meal 4: 1 cup egg whites, 2oz cheese, 2 cups milk, WW bagel w/ PB
work out
POST W/O: gatorade, apple juice, PROTEIN SOURCE (40-50g)
meal 5: 8 oz meat, 1 potatoe
Meal 6: 2 tbsp ANPB, 1 can tuna, 1 tbsp olive oil, 1 cup milk
Meal 7:1 cup cottage cheese

Snacks: Peanuts, apricot seeds (laetrile, B-17), carrots/broccoli

 

[the_alcatraz]

Ive taken dbol only for a couple weeks, and ive taken the tren PH before, so Ill be fine. IM not going to cycle every year either, maybe one every 2-3 years

so it's NOT you're first cycle...why would you say it is if you've cycled before?!?

 

[WinnyPumps]

At 21 yrs and 175lbs that seems a little to early. You can grow alot more naturally. I know you want the quick gains in strength in size and I feel ya on that, believe me. I took a cycle or two when I was younger than you and really wish I didnt. I have always regreted doing that.
I went about 6 years being natural and have gotten up to 200lbs @ about 12% bf natural. Now I'm saucing because I have been the same size and strength for a while. Just my 2 cents

 

[ConanX]

Thanks for the advice bro.

Heres my edited diet (again)

wake up: 2 cups milk Instead, skim milk with 2 scoops of Whey Protein (50 grams) and mixed with a 1/2 cup of oatmeal in a blender and maybe a banana if you want.
cardio
meal 1: 1 cup oatmeal, 1 cup milk, 3 eggs 1 cup oatmeal, 7 egg whites, 1 whole egg in an omelette.
meal 2: 8 oz chicken, 1 potatoe, broccoli, 2 tbsp ANPB Sounds good but have the sweet potato/yam so it's a complex carb, plus like NeedTo said, it tastes better
meal 3: 1 can chicken, 1 apple and some brown rice or another sweet potato since you need a carb.
meal 4: 1 cup egg whites, 2oz cheese, 2 cups milk, WW bagel w/ PB you can clean this up a bit, maybe drop the cheeze and forget the 2 cups of milk and have a protein shake instead. you are bulking so why not?
work out
POST W/O: gatorade, apple juice, PROTEIN SOURCE (40-50g) you should get some carbs in there too. Maybe a 50gram protein shake with some oatmeal in it. Also, the gatorade and apple juice combo may be a bit much?
meal 5: 8 oz meat, 1 potatoe if you can have a chicken breast, that is best. also, substitute potatoe for a sweet potato/yam
Meal 6: 2 tbsp ANPB, 1 can tuna, 1 tbsp olive oil, 1 cup milk cool cool
Meal 7:1 cup cottage cheese cottage cheese and wash it down with a casein shake

Snacks: Peanuts, apricot seeds (laetrile, B-17), carrots/broccoli

I put my thoughts in blue. I gained about 30-35lbs eating this way on my 8 week 250mg Test E, 200mg Deca cycle. I kept about 25 lbs of it. Bulking means you need to eat a TON of protein and complex carbs. But eating junk food or things that don't contribute much to msucle building will get you fat and you don't want that man.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

so it's NOT you're first cycle...why would you say it is if you've cycled before?!?

I only took the dbol for 2 weeks, and the PH doesnts count as a cycle.

This is my first real cycle using pharmaceutical AAS

 

[the.gladiator1987]

At 21 yrs and 175lbs that seems a little to early. You can grow alot more naturally. I know you want the quick gains in strength in size and I feel ya on that, believe me. I took a cycle or two when I was younger than you and really wish I didnt. I have always regreted doing that.
I went about 6 years being natural and have gotten up to 200lbs @ about 12% bf natural. Now I'm saucing because I have been the same size and strength for a while. Just my 2 cents

Weight wise I might seem small, but strength wise Im ready. I dont go by body weight. 175 on scale but I look 190.

Like I said I am only going to cycle once every 2-3 years, thx for the comment tho bro

 

[the.gladiator1987]

If I may comment.....Did you rush into this cycle? I am not trying to be rude, because you at least got the gear in a good cycle for a beginner- albeit maybe a little over kill. But it doesn't seem like you really know how/what your going to diet. I suggest a crash course in nutrition in about an hour on the internet. I always feel that the best post w/o protein is a shake- so dunno what to tell you here.

Good luck bro- and like I said- not trying to be a dick here, just seems a little rushed for you.

My diet is set, but im all over the place right now so I am not currently following it.

I probably did rush it a little, I was just so excited once i got the test vial and that was all I needed lol.

Im happy with what I did though. I have a good PCT and am getting bloodwork, also taking a bunch of supps. I will be picking up whey protein shortly.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I put my thoughts in blue. I gained about 30-35lbs eating this way on my 8 week 250mg Test E, 200mg Deca cycle. I kept about 25 lbs of it. Bulking means you need to eat a TON of protein and complex carbs. But eating junk food or things that don't contribute much to msucle building will get you fat and you don't want that man.

Thanks, will add everything but the protein shakes for now, probably have to wait a week to get it.

The junk food is just extra calories for me until I get my protein/set diet.

I consider junk food to be candy/soda

Food that isnt the best but will work are ritz crackers, proetin bars, etc.

Best food is meat, sweet potatoes, ANPB, milk

 

[ConanX]

Thanks, will add everything but the protein shakes for now, probably have to wait a week to get it.

The junk food is just extra calories for me until I get my protein/set diet.

I consider junk food to be candy/soda

Food that isnt the best but will work are ritz crackers, proetin bars, etc.

Best food is meat, sweet potatoes, ANPB, milk

Cool stuff man. Protein shakes have always been an easy and efficient way of getting in the protein and cals. Chicken breast and real food are best, but protein shakes are so easy and cheap. Plus, if you get a nice flavor you like, it can satisfy a sweet tooth and almost be like a desert.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Cool stuff man. Protein shakes have always been an easy and efficient way of getting in the protein and cals. Chicken breast and real food are best, but protein shakes are so easy and cheap. Plus, if you get a nice flavor you like, it can satisfy a sweet tooth and almost be like a desert.

Nice nice, Im about to order 10 lbs!

 

[sweed]

grind up oats in a coffee grinder and add it to yr shake. That's what I used to do in college.
better than a bar or ritz.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Will do! Oats are cheap as hell too!

 

[sweed]

Fuckin A! You can get a 50 gallon drum for like $2. haha

 

[gear63]

diets looking good Keep refining as you get tired of a certain item, the Gatorade and juice (100 percent juice)is a good thing esp. after a work out because it will cause a larger and faster insulin release which is essential to build muscle and for energy (ATP) to be produced to be used , also Gatorade is a balance electrolyte BTW pics good low Bf you look bigger than your weight ! watchin the log for sure post large before pics if you can !

 

[the.gladiator1987]

LOL i just went shopping heres what I got

chicken
tuna
milk
eggs
sweet potatoes
broccoli
cottage cheese
apple juice (instead of gatorade)
mayo (for chicken/tuna)

I forgot oatmeal, carrots and egg whites!

I will post pics this weekend gear63! Thanks for the support and advice, without you guys I wouldnt have gone to the store to buy everything that I need. Diet is #1, sometimes that slips my mind.

BUT, people do freak out over diets if its not 100% perfect. People done understand that just because it is not perfect, doesnt mean it wont work. Of course for maximum muscle gain, you want the perfect diet. But, I dont need maximum muscle gain. I will be happy with what I get, im not going to stress out over eating a granola bar or some ritz crackers. I just wont make those the base of my diet. I do appreciate all the advice though, not trying to be a dick to anyone who gave me advice.

Im getting married in June and thats when I will be able to buy everything I want along with my wife, and she can help me cook, etc. It will be a lot easier!

Thanks again everyone!

 

[sweed]

21 and yout getting married!? you must live in mid US or the south. lol
Good job with the shopping! Where's the beef!? haha
I love apple juice!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Lol, just the opposite bro, Cali!

I know i know there are so many ladies, but mine isnt too bad
Pics when she was 17, shes almost 19 now

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/hehateme00000/a2.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/hehateme00000/a3.jpg

 

[gear63]

NICE congrats on the plung! put a ring on it ! by the way basa is a white fish that has a very low fat cholesterol rating just a thing i recently started to pick up and if your cooking at home its going to be balanced and well portioned meal I wish i could have a personal chef and endless new ingredients! can you feel the dbol yet?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

NICE congrats on the plung! put a ring on it ! by the way basa is a white fish that has a very low fat cholesterol rating just a thing i recently started to pick up and if your cooking at home its going to be balanced and well portioned meal I wish i could have a personal chef and endless new ingredients! can you feel the dbol yet?

Thx! Still gettin a ring lol she wants it to be perfect

Ill look into basa when we move in together, she loves fish too. I only like tuna/salmon, but really havent tried other fish. Especially with the seasonings you can put on it, I bet its yummy

Cant say I feel the dbol, have been taking 10mg 3x a day. Im not weighing myself until next Monday anyway. Im taking today off for working out, tmr ill take 20mg pre w/o and let you know!

 

[sweed]

if you like ritz .. get some haddock and get a roll of whole wheat ritz. grind them up and add in some melted butter, put that on top of the haddock, bake for 30 mins on 350. Add some lemon juice and bam! So good!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

if you like ritz .. get some haddock and get a roll of whole wheat ritz. grind them up and add in some melted butter, put that on top of the haddock, bake for 30 mins on 350. Add some lemon juice and bam! So good!

Sounds good!

I actually dont like ritz I just like them with my tuna/chicken

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Day 3

WORKOUT - OFF

Wondering if working out my abs on off days would make my CNS not recover? Dont want to overtrain

DIET

meal 1: 2 packets instant oatmeal, 1/2 cup milk, 5 ritz crackers
Snack: granola bar
meal 2: 1 can chicken, 1.5 tbsp mayo, 1 cup apple juice, 1 cup milk, 5 ritz crackers
Snack: Protein bar
meal 3: 2 cups milk, 1 can tuna, 1 tbsp mayo, 1 sweet potatoe w/ butter, 1 cup apple juice, 5 ritz
Snack: 1/2 cup assorted nuts
meal 4: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbsp PB, 1 cup milk

Total calories = 3,190

Only 198g Protein, Im thinking I need they whey so a couple shakes would bring it up around 300g.

Feeling good, pumped, waiting for the test to kick in but Im on my dbol so Im being patient

 

[anabolic47]

hmm your diet feels alittle off to me. i would say to clean it up a bit and eat more complete meals.
like:35-60 grams of protien per meal
40-60 grams of low glysemic carbs except post workout
and ten grams of good fats like the npb and nuts.
i think you see better results with cleaner more complete meals bro

 

[the.gladiator1987]

hmm your diet feels alittle off to me. i would say to clean it up a bit and eat more complete meals.
like:35-60 grams of protien per meal
40-60 grams of low glysemic carbs except post workout
and ten grams of good fats like the npb and nuts.
i think you see better results with cleaner more complete meals bro

Thanks, I fixed up my diet today. Somethin like this

wake up: 2 cups milk, 2 scoops whey, 1/2 cup oats, 1 banana
meal 1: 1 cup oatmeal, 6 egg whites, 2 eggs
meal 2: 1 can tuna, 1 sweet potatoe, broccoli, 2 tbsp ANPB
meal 3: 6 oz chicken, 1 sweet potatoe, 1 cup milk, 1 apple
meal 4: 2 egg whites, 1 cup milk, 1 scoop whey
POST W/O: 1 cup apple juice, 2 cups milk, 1 scoop whey
meal 5: 1 can tuna, 1 sweet potatoe
meal 6: 6 oz chicken, 2 tbsp ANPB, 1 cup milk
meal 7: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1 tbsp olive oil

 

[ConanX]

Thanks, I fixed up my diet today. Somethin like this

wake up:2 cups milk, 2 scoops whey, 1/2 cup oats, 1 banana
meal 1: 1 cup oatmeal, 6 egg whites, 2 eggs
meal 2: 1 can tuna, 1 sweet potatoe, broccoli, 2 tbsp ANPB
meal 3: 6 oz chicken, 1 sweet potatoe, 1 cup milk, 1 apple
meal 4: 2 egg whites, 1 cup milk, 1 scoop whey
POST W/O: 1 cup apple juice, 2 cups milk, 1 scoop whey
meal 5: 1 can tuna, 1 sweet potatoe
meal 6: 6 oz chicken, 2 tbsp ANPB, 1 cup milk
meal 7: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1 tbsp olive oil

Looking much better my man! But on meal 4, 6, and 7 I would have some source of a complex carbohydrate. You can over eat since you are bulking, so why not just throw in some oatmeal or brown rice or something? Hell, this isn't even really too good for you since I like real food better than processed crap but if you use a cereal like shredded wheat or something that would be much better than nothing.

 

[Steviemh]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that the classic oats was better than the instant oats. Not putting what what you're doing at all. You've made allot of progress with your diet. If this isn't true im prolly gonna make a trip to the store cause the classic oats suxxxxxxxx!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BTW looking good bro.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Looking much better my man! But on meal 4, 6, and 7 I would have some source of a complex carbohydrate. You can over eat since you are bulking, so why not just throw in some oatmeal or brown rice or something? Hell, this isn't even really too good for you since I like real food better than processed crap but if you use a cereal like shredded wheat or something that would be much better than nothing.

I just had 1 cup of oats today with salt and water, shits so gross!!! I still ate it tho

I like the shredded wheat combo, and i get sick of oats and sweet potatoes. What other complex carbs can I use? Brown rice?

 

[sweed]

brown rice. I add a lot of lemon juice while it's boiling to add flavor. Oats with fruit mixed in is great. little splenda and it's beter than the instant.
sweet potatoe's with cinnamon and some splenda works also.
whole grains bread or sprouted grain bread is low glycemic also.
great for sangwiches.

 

[ConanX]

I just had 1 cup of oats today with salt and water, shits so gross!!! I still ate it tho

I like the shredded wheat combo, and i get sick of oats and sweet potatoes. What other complex carbs can I use? Brown rice?

You can make oats taste good bro. Like sweed said, add some splenda. You can make it with milk instead of water. What I do is I just put chocolate whey protein powder, oats, and skim milk in a bowl, mix it up a bix, cook it and I got chocolate oatmeal love it!

A shake with protein powder and oats is usually delicious too.

Brown rice is great stuff. Like i said before, cereals are processed so it's not THE GREATEST thing BUT, I used it during my bulking and loved it. Just get cereals that look healthy, ya know? Read the labels. I think shredded wheat was the best one I could find. I'd make a bowl of shredded wheat and make a little protein shake, then pour the shake in the bowl and I'd have chocolate shredded wheat

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I thought ww bread was bad because of starch?

Id be loading up on that if its OK!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

You can make oats taste good bro. Like sweed said, add some splenda. You can make it with milk instead of water. What I do is I just put chocolate whey protein powder, oats, and skim milk in a bowl, mix it up a bix, cook it and I got chocolate oatmeal love it!

A shake with protein powder and oats is usually delicious too.

Brown rice is great stuff. Like i said before, cereals are processed so it's not THE GREATEST thing BUT, I used it during my bulking and loved it. Just get cereals that look healthy, ya know? Read the labels. I think shredded wheat was the best one I could find. I'd make a bowl of shredded wheat and make a little protein shake, then pour the shake in the bowl and I'd have chocolate shredded wheat

Nice, ill get some shredded wheat! And Brown rice!

And i ordered they whey 2 day AIR shipping, Ill have it by Saturday

 

[ConanX]

I thought ww bread was bad because of starch?

Id be loading up on that if its OK!

You're bulking dude. I don't see anything wrong with whole wheat bread/wraps. I used to get 6 egg whites and grilled chicken breast on a whole wheat wrap lol. That was the bomb and loaded with protein and my carbs. Maybe some diet gurus can chime in though. Food is your friend, bro. Eat away!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

You're bulking dude. I don't see anything wrong with whole wheat bread/wraps. I used to get 6 egg whites and grilled chicken breast on a whole wheat wrap lol. That was the bomb and loaded with protein and my carbs. Maybe some diet gurus can chime in though. Food is your friend, bro. Eat away!

Damn sounds so good right now. Im gonna stalk up on egg whites/ww bread!

So just a quick question, my plan was to bulk then cut the last 4 weeks (for the elite fitness contest) but what would be better to do? For me and the contest? Bulk the whole way or bulk/cut?

 

[ConanX]

Damn sounds so good right now. Im gonna stalk up on egg whites/ww bread!

So just a quick question, my plan was to bulk then cut the last 4 weeks (for the elite fitness contest) but what would be better to do? For me and the contest? Bulk the whole way or bulk/cut?

Again, I am no guru...but since it is your first cycle (real cycle) I'd go bulk! Pack on as much muscle as possible while you still can man. If you keep your diet CLEAN but eat A LOT, you won't get fat. Just JACKED

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Again, I am no guru...but since it is your first cycle (real cycle) I'd go bulk! Pack on as much muscle as possible while you still can man. If you keep your diet CLEAN but eat A LOT, you won't get fat. Just JACKED

Thats what I like to hear!

Im already around 10% BF, and if I keep eating eggs/sweet potatoes/milk/oats/chicken I shouldnt go up too far. The test should utilize all my protein and not store it as fat . I have no idea if thats true just makes sense

Anyway I should probably run once a week too just to stay in shape, keep the 6 pack. Thanks for all the advice brotha!

What were your before and after stats after your first cycle?

 

[sweed]

9 or 12 grain bread is fine, but the absolute best for you is sprouted grain bread. You can find that more in the natural/organic section of the grocery.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

9 or 12 grain bread is fine, but the absolute best for you is sprouted grain bread. You can find that more in the natural/organic section of the grocery.

Ill look for sprouted grain bread. Thanks sweed

 

[anabolic47]

yeah thats looking better. are u using that milk at part of your protien source?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

yeah thats looking better. are u using that milk at part of your protien source?

For now, once i get my whey ill be adding an extra 60g a day.

When I cut i think im going to drop the milk

 

[anabolic47]

yeah i never really looked at milk as a direct protien source. more of just an add on to what im already eating. stick with whole foods

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I include milk, but i am making sure I have some kind of meat like chicken/tuna in there also. And cottage cheese, 14g for 1/2 a cup!

 

[anabolic47]

thats good. try to get 6 to 8oz of meat. yeah i like cottage cheese too but i only eat at night. i feel like it smoothes me out a bit if i eat it too much in the day. buts its great before bed cause its mostly casien protien. just keep pounding the food bro. im actually gonna be starting a cycle soon and loggin it on here.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

thats good. try to get 6 to 8oz of meat. yeah i like cottage cheese too but i only eat at night. i feel like it smoothes me out a bit if i eat it too much in the day. buts its great before bed cause its mostly casien protien. just keep pounding the food bro. im actually gonna be starting a cycle soon and loggin it on here.

if i knew how to cook id be rdering breasts in bulk but i cant lol

i buy the canned chicken

 

[anabolic47]

haha u cant cook?? haha learn bro its easy. just by yourself a forman for the chicken and fish. and learn how to bbq for steaks and stuff

 

[needtogetaas]

Anabolic kitchen bro. 20 bucks and I give you my word you will know how to cook in a month. If not 100% money back.

I put my life's work into this book. I teach you how to cook in this book bro. I swear it. You really need to get the book and if you can't cook after reading it for a month I will give you your money back and then some.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Im gonna have the wifey cook for me

Ill get the forman for now tho!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Anabolic kitchen bro. 20 bucks and I give you my word you will know how to cook in a month. If not 100% money back.

I put my life's work into this book. I teach you how to cook in this book bro. I swear it. You really need to get the book and if you can't cook after reading it for a month I will give you your money back and then some.

Seriously? Ill buy it right now.

 

[anabolic47]

the forman is a bodybuidlers best friend bro. i would starve if i didnt have that shit

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Day 4

Workout - Back

Deadlift
135 x 10
225 x 8
245 x 5
275 x 1

BB row
115 x 12
125 x 8
135 x 6

Lat Pulldown (The kind where you put weight on, not where you put the notch in a weight)
100 x 12
115 x 7
125 x 4

1 Arm DB Row
60 x 10
45 x 10 --- went lower because I really wanted to isolate my back, and the 60's I started using force to pull it up not my back


Diet:

Meal 1: 2 eggs, 1.5 cups milk, 1 cup oats
Meal 2: Protein bar
Meal 3: can chicken, 1.5 tbsp mayo, 1 cup milk, 1 sweet potatoe w/ butter, 3 servings broccoli
Post W/O: 1 can tuna, 1 cup milk, 1 cup apple juice
Meal 4: Protein bar, bag of chips ( I had too, its not gonna kill me )
Meal 5: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbsp PB, 5 liver tabs

Total calories: 3,145
Protein: 235g

Cant wait for my whey to come in, ill have close to 300g! Should it be more like 4oo?


All in all I had a great workout, my strength is down a little but not too bad. My back is my weakest area. Ill either be doing Legs tomorrow, or OFF. Then CHEST next time around.

Oh I am also at 177, gained 2 lbs

 

[ConanX]

Thats what I like to hear!

Im already around 10% BF, and if I keep eating eggs/sweet potatoes/milk/oats/chicken I shouldnt go up too far. The test should utilize all my protein and not store it as fat . I have no idea if thats true just makes sense

Anyway I should probably run once a week too just to stay in shape, keep the 6 pack. Thanks for all the advice brotha!

What were your before and after stats after your first cycle?

My first ever cycle was 5 weeks of 25mg Var e/d but that doesn't really count lol.

9 week cycle 250mg Test E and 200mg Deca
5'11.5, 183lbs. Went up to 213 by week 9. Down to around 206 after all is said and done. I cut up with ECA, diet, and cardio and got to around or under 10%bf at 199lbs. I am now on cycle again and at 205lbs and have to be under 10%. Your age.

Keep it up man. You should start loving the results as long as your workouts are intense and you keep feeding your muscles.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

My first ever cycle was 5 weeks of 25mg Var e/d but that doesn't really count lol.

9 week cycle 250mg Test E and 200mg Deca
5'11.5, 183lbs. Went up to 213 by week 9. Down to around 206 after all is said and done. I cut up with ECA, diet, and cardio and got to around or under 10%bf at 199lbs. I am now on cycle again and at 205lbs and have to be under 10%. Your age.

Keep it up man. You should start loving the results as long as your workouts are intense and you keep feeding your muscles.

Nice bro.

Did you use the ECA/cardio after PCT? Im thinking about using creatine post cycle to keep gains until my test gets back to normal, then cutting.

I already feel the water weight, i see my bottom abs starting to hold water

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Day 5

Workout:

Sex (cardio )

Workout went great! hahahaha


Diet:

Meal 1: Protein bar, 2 cups milk, 1 cup apple juice, 5 liver tabs
Meal 2: Green tea, tiger milk bar
Meal 3: Hot dog w/ garlic fries
Meal 4: Canned chicen, 1.5 tbsp mayo, 1 cup apple juice

Total calories: 2,170
Protein: 120g

Diet sucked today, no joke, but I was traveling and then went straight to the A's/Giants game. Ill count today as my cheat day/low cal day/ suck dick no homo day

 

[artificialaspirations]

too much processed foods. no more canned chicken, too much sodium. Go to the grocery store and grill it up.

 

[gear63]

hows the dianabol doing you, what you got going on for you PCT?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

hows the dianabol doing you, what you got going on for you PCT?

Hey just got back into town, been busy for a couple days

Dbol is working great, im filling up more! I am going to weigh myself tonight, but strength is about to start kicking in. Well see in the next couple workouts.

PCT is

clomid 25mg day
nolva 10mg day
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
PP's Test recovery stack

 

[ConanX]

Nice bro.

Did you use the ECA/cardio after PCT? Im thinking about using creatine post cycle to keep gains until my test gets back to normal, then cutting.

I already feel the water weight, i see my bottom abs starting to hold water

Yeah I did ECA right after PCT.
I saw pretty good results within a few short weeks, plus it gave me an energy spike that was nice since I was natural.

I love ECA.

And dude, please clean up your diet. With all that sodium, you are gonna get bloated up on water weight. If you know you are gonna be out, do your best to go prepared. Protein bars and pre-made shakes aren't the greatest, but if it's all you got, bring enough so you can get your 2/3 hour requirement. Comon man! It's your first cycle. You want it done right

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Yeah I did ECA right after PCT.
I saw pretty good results within a few short weeks, plus it gave me an energy spike that was nice since I was natural.

I love ECA.

And dude, please clean up your diet. With all that sodium, you are gonna get bloated up on water weight. If you know you are gonna be out, do your best to go prepared. Protein bars and pre-made shakes aren't the greatest, but if it's all you got, bring enough so you can get your 2/3 hour requirement. Comon man! It's your first cycle. You want it done right

I want to do creatine kre-alkalyn post cycle then after PCT do the ECA, sounds good!

Im trying to be clean as possible , the sodium doesnt really affect my BP thats why I dont care, and its easy for me to make. I just got my whey too, so im having more like 300g a day of protein now.

 

[SouthernLord]

I want to do creatine kre-alkalyn post cycle then after PCT do the ECA, sounds good!

Im trying to be clean as possible , the sodium doesnt really affect my BP thats why I dont care, and its easy for me to make. I just got my whey too, so im having more like 300g a day of protein now.

The sodium is going to give you bloat. Especially with the dbol.

This is not a flame bro, but your diet is horrible. You should have had the diet nailed before turning to aas imo. It's too late to go back, but you should really clean it up.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

My diet goes like this

meal 1: 1 cup oats, 1.5 cups milk, 3 eggs, 5 liver tabs
meal 2: 1.5 cups milk, 2 scoops whey
meal 3: 10oz chicken, 1.5 tbsp mayo, 1 sweet potatoe, 2.5 servings broccoli
meal 4: 1 can tuna, 1 tbsp mayo, 1 sweet potatoe, 5 liver tabs
Post w/o: 1 cup apple juice, 1 cup milk, 2 scoops whey
meal 5: 10oz chicken, 1.5 tbsp mayo, 1 sweet potatoe,
meal 6: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbsp PB, 5 liver tabs

338g protein!

 

[SouthernLord]

My diet goes like this

meal 1: 1 cup oats, 1.5 cups milk, 3 eggs, 5 liver tabs
meal 2: 1.5 cups milk, 2 scoops whey
meal 3: 10oz chicken, 1.5 tbsp mayo, 1 sweet potatoe, 2.5 servings broccoli
meal 4: 1 can tuna, 1 tbsp mayo, 1 sweet potatoe, 5 liver tabs
Post w/o: 1 cup apple juice, 1 cup milk, 2 scoops whey
meal 5: 10oz chicken, 1.5 tbsp mayo, 1 sweet potatoe,
meal 6: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbsp PB, 5 liver tabs

338g protein!

Canned/proccessed meats suck imo

This meal plan right here isn't too bad, but you need to be consistent bro. You made a big commitment when you decided to run AAS. Choosing to do so then half assing your diet is not good. No more hotdogs and chips. Plan ahead and travel with meals if you have to. Don't miss or skip meals. If you stay consistent this will be a good cycle

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Canned/proccessed meats suck imo

This meal plan right here isn't too bad, but you need to be consistent bro. You made a big commitment when you decided to run AAS. Choosing to do so then half assing your diet is not good. No more hotdogs and chips. Plan ahead and travel with meals if you have to. Don't miss or skip meals. If you stay consistent this will be a good cycle

Thanks bro!

I will be consistent, i was running out the door to go to SF for the ballgame, so I had nothing with me.

No more excuses! Ill have my diet pinpoint on from now on, its my body right? Need to treat it right. How often should i have a cheat meal?

And I need to grab some chicken thats not canned, its just so easy to make

 

[artificialaspirations]

Canned/proccessed meats suck imo

This meal plan right here isn't too bad, but you need to be consistent bro. You made a big commitment when you decided to run AAS. Choosing to do so then half assing your diet is not good. No more hotdogs and chips. Plan ahead and travel with meals if you have to. Don't miss or skip meals. If you stay consistent this will be a good cycle

no more canned and processed meats. Get a cooler and take it everywhere you go with hardboiled eggs, carrots, fresh fruits, mixed nuts (unsalted), etc., and your grilled lean meats and veges if you have access to a microwave. Sandwiches are good but cut the mayo. Mustard has hardly any calories and I'm sure you can find a low-sodium version.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

no more canned and processed meats. Get a cooler and take it everywhere you go with hardboiled eggs, carrots, fresh fruits, mixed nuts (unsalted), etc., and your grilled lean meats and veges if you have access to a microwave. Sandwiches are good but cut the mayo. Mustard has hardly any calories and I'm sure you can find a low-sodium version.

Nice, thanks bro

Hardboiled eggs I would eat 15 of those in a day. Is that bad?

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Day 6

Workout - Chest (A little arm workout too)

Flat BB Bench
135 x 12
185 x 10
225 x 7
245 x 2

Preacher Curl
90 + EZ Bar x 2

Standing EZ Bar Curk
90 + EZ Bar x 6
90 + EZ Bar x 7 --- LOL must be the dbol/mindset that allows you to do more reps @ same weight

DB Incline Press
90 x 6
95 x 3

Reverse Grip bench
135 x 10
145 x 5


First time hitting BB bench in a while --- always using DB's. Decided to switch it up for the cycle.

Not too bad of a bench! Sad part is that my deadlift/squat are around the same.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Day 7

Workout - Shoulders

DB Military Press
75 x 7
75 x 4

BB Behind the neck presses
135 x 10 --- smith machine
145 x 6 --- smith machine

BB Military
145 x 6 --- smith machine

DB butterflies
35 x 12

Short, but my triceps were hurting from the day before so I really couldnt hit shoulders that well

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Day 8

OFF

Day 9

Workout - LEGS

Squat
135 x 12
185 x 12
225 x 6
245 x 5

Leg Press
270 x 12
360 x 12
450 x 6

Calf Raises
150 x Failure --- machine
170 x Failure --- machine
190 x Failure --- machine

I took 20mg Dbol before w/o and my legs have never been so pumped! Not a whole lot of sets but my legs were done. Im listening to my body.

Just a side note, I broke my leg in October and it has healed. The fracture now has a callas, however during the squats there was a *LITTLE* pain. This is also the first time I have worked out legs hard in about 8 months.

Should I lower the weight and focus on low ass to the ground reps for about 15,20 reps? Will that still build nice strength and size?

I just dont want my leg to collapse one day because its probably already bad enough working out legs without being on AAS due to the broken leg, i feel like my leg will get too strong for my tendons/ligaments


DIET today 4/7/09

Meal 1: 1 egg, 1 cup milk, Instant oatmeal, 1 cup apple juice
Meal 2: 1.5 cups milk, 2 scoops whey
Meal 3: 1 can chicken w/ mayo, 1 sweet potatoe, 1 cup apple juice
Meal 4: McChicken
Post W/O: 1.5 cups milk, 2 scoops whey
Meal 5: 1 can tuna w/ mayo, 1 cup milk, 1 sweet potatoe, 5 liver tabs
Meal 6: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbsp PB, 5 liver tabs

Total Calories: 2,975
Protein: 286g

Feels good to get almost 300g protein! Finally get some help from the whey shakes

I also know I need to drop the canned chicken, I am going to keep the tuna though. I like tuna.

Anybody recommend any tips on how to make good chicken (skinless, boneless)? I have no idea where to start.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I want to do creatine kre-alkalyn post cycle then after PCT do the ECA, sounds good!

Im trying to be clean as possible , the sodium doesnt really affect my BP thats why I dont care, and its easy for me to make. I just got my whey too, so im having more like 300g a day of protein now.

The sodium will bloat you and then could have a bad affect on your bp .
Brad.

 

[gear63]

Start Taurine because that leg Pump will prob become shin pump and might start to hurt because dbol is notorious for that problem, since your bulking and prob cant always have a cooler with you def keep the tuna keep the protein high and carbs! the main pt. is sodium is bad in excess because of water retention and HBP and other issues but your not eating french fries just keep it as clean as possible ALSO just get a cooked chicken from the Grocery store and some thick sliced deli meat put it in a ziplock and take it with you! easy to hold 1 lb in a ziplock. 3 eggs in the morning not one! and 2 cups milk more cottage cheese too , add some frozen berries to your shakes if you blend them (or yogurt) dont let people scare you away from calories I personally went from 5 11 at 143 lbs 13 inch bis thinest ever ( jan 09) 6 percent BF NOW 170 8 % BF ( March 7 ) 15 inch bis pretty good! I ate 4000 balanced calories aday 1000 of these right after workout!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

The sodium will bloat you and then could have a bad affect on your bp .
Brad.

I need to know how to make good chicken in the oven and cook it for the week! Any help guys?

 

[hesnobradpitt]

This has helped me to no end great value to.

http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/fitness-cookbook/

get the wife to cook chicken for the whole wk and just put it in containers and freeze with frozen veg mix.

Brad.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Start Taurine because that leg Pump will prob become shin pump and might start to hurt because dbol is notorious for that problem, since your bulking and prob cant always have a cooler with you def keep the tuna keep the protein high and carbs! the main pt. is sodium is bad in excess because of water retention and HBP and other issues but your not eating french fries just keep it as clean as possible ALSO just get a cooked chicken from the Grocery store and some thick sliced deli meat put it in a ziplock and take it with you! easy to hold 1 lb in a ziplock. 3 eggs in the morning not one! and 2 cups milk more cottage cheese too , add some frozen berries to your shakes if you blend them (or yogurt) dont let people scare you away from calories I personally went from 5 11 at 143 lbs 13 inch bis thinest ever ( jan 09) 6 percent BF NOW 170 8 % BF ( March 7 ) 15 inch bis pretty good! I ate 4000 balanced calories aday 1000 of these right after workout!

This shit gets expensive!

Ill get some taurine because my lower back pump is crazy.

I tried 3 eggs but could only cook one, because i was cooking it on level 3, not high. ILl add more milk and cottage cheese too! I want to slowly add it but yea i am bulking so why not

Thanks for the info!!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Also

Day 1

Weight = 175lbs

Day 9

Weight = 180lbs

 

[gear63]

thinkin you will hit 200 on this cycle! what test you running prop cyp ethanate ???

 

[the.gladiator1987]

thinkin you will hit 200 on this cycle! what test you running prop cyp ethanate ???

You think its possible to hit 200 with around 3000 calories a day? ( Clean cals ) I want to bump it up but I think I should be able to gain with what I am eating already.

im running test cyp! Its working great!!!

Oh one other thing, my scale at home (with clothes) said I was 184!!! Damn!

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Day 10

Workout - Arms

I did Guardian's 19' arm workout, worked great! Ex cept for my elbows hurting


***everything supersetted***
BB Curl
105 x 8 / 55 x 12

Incline DB Curl
40 x 6 / 20 x 8

Preacher Curls
65 x 7 / 35 x 15

Rope Curls
80 x 7 / 40 x 10

DB Hammer Curls
35 x 10 / 20 x 14

TRICEPS
Rope Extensions
??? / ??? ---- didnt know the weight, did it till i burned though

DB Skull Crushers
35 x 10 / NONE ---- HURT MY ELBOWS TOO MUCH

Weighted Dips
90 + bodyweight x 6 / 45 + bodyweight x 10

Reverse Grip Bench
115 x 12 / 125 x 10 / 135 x 7




Diet

Meal 1: 3 eggs, 1/2 cup milk, 1 cup apple juice, 1 cup oats, 5 liver tabs
Meal 2: 1 can chicken w/ mayo, 1 sweet potatoe, 1.5 cups milk, 2 tbsp PB, 5 liver tabs
Pre w/o: 1.5 cups milk, 2 scoops whey, 5 liver tabs
Post w/o: 1 cup apple juice, 1.5 cups milk, 2 scoops whey, 5 liver tabs
Meal 3: 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 2 tbsp PB, 5 liver tabs

Total calories: 2,945
Protein: 271g

Diet is starting to get good! Im feeling full and great!



***Question

My elbows hurt too much from soing skullcrushers (EZ Bar or with DB's), and when I do weighted dips i feel like my sternum is going to pop. What are some good tricep exercises besides reverse grip bench?

 

[gear63]

200 is a possibility but honestly 3000 is not that high a calorie diet but still with the dbol and cyp you got the right gear for it! your eating healthy and good sure you will grow!! seems like your on a good start you got ten weeks to see

 

[the.gladiator1987]

200 is a possibility but honestly 3000 is not that high a calorie diet but still with the dbol and cyp you got the right gear for it! your eating healthy and good sure you will grow!! seems like your on a good start you got ten weeks to see

Yea I cant eait to keep it up, see where I end up at!

Ill add more calories if I need to, problem is my budget doesnt allow me to buy protein which is the most expensive.

What are some good calories to add to a diet that wont make you gain fat, and relatively cheap?

 

[gdaddypurp]

ur lookin swolen already bro, this cycle is going to turn u into a FREAK.

i just started the same one.....first cycle also ; )



oh, and skim or 2% milk........cheap, tasy, awesome. Go for the gallon a day