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marvelous54

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... and I'll believe. I'm debating with a poster on a different site about weight gain. He's swearing that it is possible to put on 35lbs of muscle in a year WITHOUT the use of AAS.

I would argue that it is close to impossible even with supperior AAS, supplements, diet and workout regimen.

Has anyone EVER heard or known of an instance where someone has put on 35 lbs of muscle in a year without AAS.
 
not that I have heard of, though last november I weighed about 170-175, and now I weigh over 220
 
... and I'll believe. I'm debating with a poster on a different site about weight gain. He's swearing that it is possible to put on 35lbs of muscle in a year WITHOUT the use of AAS.

I would argue that it is close to impossible even with supperior AAS, supplements, diet and workout regimen.

Has anyone EVER heard or known of an instance where someone has put on 35 lbs of muscle in a year without AAS.

Me :)

When I finished messing around and learned about training, resting, not drinking, diet, creatine and glutamine. It will normally only apply to those who are very new to training or have been training wrong and then bust their nut for the year.

I started out at 140lbs at almost 6 5
 
Doesnt mean its all lean mass.


Exactly BK. THere is a big difference in putting on 35lbs and putting on 35 lbs of muscle (lean mass) BIG difference, and their is also a big diference from doing it naturally and using AAS.
 
Doesn't but doesn't mean it isn't either. I started with my abs showing and I ended with my abs showing (not like 6 abs clearly defined, but still all of them visible when tensing).

And when we say 'lean' we need to really think what lean means considering that 65-75% of muscle is water.
 
marvelous, no disrespect intended bro but I feel you have your mind made up already and are just trying to find a way of backing up your argument.
 
a lot of the high profile pro's gained like that in there first year of training and where natural. its rare but if you have the genetics it can happen.
 
35 lean pounds naturally in 1 year is very very rare if it happens at all. That is a total extreme.
 
I would be very surprised if someone could put on 35 lbs of solid muscle with AAS much less without it. There is going to be some bodyfat to come with it even if your percentage stayed the same.
 
I so gained almost 35lbs on my first cycle :). Kept 25lbs of it.

35lbs in 10 weeks is a fuckload lol.
 
35lbs of muscle - why do people say solid muscle or lean muscle - isn't muscle muscle?????

BTW 35lbs of muscle in a year is just over 1/2 a lb a week - if you just started the gym, are training right, eating right, resting right and not over training, there is absolutely no reason why you could not.

A number of people on these anabolic boards turn to aas because they don't have the dedication or discipline to reach out naturally first.

It is possible.

End of conversation - albeit a conversation you don't want to lose :)
 
35lbs of muscle - why do people say solid muscle or lean muscle - isn't muscle muscle?????

BTW 35lbs of muscle in a year is just over 1/2 a lb a week - if you just started the gym, are training right, eating right, resting right and not over training, there is absolutely no reason why you could not.

A number of people on these anabolic boards turn to aas because they don't have the dedication or discipline to reach out naturally first.

It is possible.

End of conversation - albeit a conversation you don't want to lose :)


Actually I have no problem with losing. The specific person that the debat was about is D1 athlete in his senior season so it's not like he's never trained.

I didn't want to mention that because I wanted to leave it more open to discussion than that.

BTW - we say lean mass becasue some people will put on 25 lbs in a good bulking cycle but they will normally lose 10 or so lbs from bloat and another 5 lbs or so is fat, leaving the leaving them with a gain of 10lbs of lean mass.
 
Actually I have no problem with losing. The specific person that the debat was about is D1 athlete in his senior season so it's not like he's never trained.

I didn't want to mention that because I wanted to leave it more open to discussion than that.

BTW - we say lean mass becasue some people will put on 25 lbs in a good bulking cycle but they will normally lose 10 or so lbs from bloat and another 5 lbs or so is fat, leaving the leaving them with a gain of 10lbs of lean mass.

I agree with Marvelous here. It's not impossible, and definitely more likely if someone just started training. However, not many people are going to be able to put on 35lbs of muscle in a year even with sane amount of AAS.
 
It's very possible, especially for a first time lifter who hasn't been dieting properly. I went from 122 to 155 (33 lean pounds) in a year cause I was basically unconsciously starving myself.
 
i would have to suggest that it is possible, however.. possible great injury is at risk.. ligaments and tendons would be very stressed with the additional weight, and..

for someone that would have the knowledge and discipline to eat right is not probable..

It's possible for someone to win the lottery too..
 
when in doubt, look to science. its pretty easy to figure out that 99.9% of humans will not be able to replicate the muscle building environment on a daily basis for 365 days and add weight, lean muscle weight, at a consistent upward progress. heres a real basic look at what goes into making muscle. with all the processes going on in the body on a daily, weekly, monthly basis, there is no way the body will simply downregulate all other functions to focus on muscle growth only, and that is what would have to happen to add 35 pounds of muscle in a year.

Muscle Building

How many calories do you think are required to build a pound of muscle? Amazingly, to build a pound of muscle tissue requires over 45,000 calories. How can that be, you ask? After all, a pound of muscle at about 20% protein comes out to be 90 grams of protein. That muscle is also comprised of about 13 grams of lipids, 4 to 5 grams of glycogen, and several millimoles of ATP and creatine phosphate. The rest is water. If you break down that pound of muscle to consume it as calories, it works out to 4 calories per gram of protein and glycogen, plus 9 calories per gram of lipid, plus a few hundred calories for the ATP and creatine phosphate --- so --- we have a total energy value stored in that muscle of 750 calories. “It doesn’t add up,” you say. “If a pound of muscle can only be catabolized to yield 750 calories, how can it be claimed that nearly 50,000 calories went into building that muscle?” The key is in understanding that anabolism and catabolism are not reversibly equivalent.

Protein anabolism has an almost unbelievably high energy cost. Building a pound of muscle is analogous in many ways to building the Great Pyramids of ancient Egypt. Those pyramids were not carved out of rock that was already there, they were assembled from countless smaller rocks hauled into place and lifted into position by literally millions of man hours of energy output. So it is with building a muscle. Muscle protein is synthesized from the assembling of individual amino acids within each of the muscle cells. Every single peptide bond in every one of the protein molecules requires the expenditure of energy. The energy equivalent of three moles of high energy phosphate bonds is required for every mole of peptide bonds.

Now, consider that muscle proteins consist of peptide chains used to build light myosin, heavy myosin, actin, and collagen. The average molecular weight of these various proteins is about 200,000, yielding about 2000 peptide bonds per molecule. Since each of those peptide bonds requires degradation of 3 phosphate bonds, and each high energy phosphate bond of ATP or GTP yields about 8000 calories per mole, we can estimate the energy cost of making one mole of protein at about 3 X 8000 X 2000 = 48,000,000 calories per mole of protein. This works out to be about 220 calories per gram of protein. Now, multiplying this 220 calories per gram times the 90 grams of protein in a pound of muscle we come up with something close to 20,000 calories of ATP and GTP to synthesize the protein in one pound of muscle.

However, the reality of the situation is a little more complex. The efficiency of energy transfer in the production of ATP from glucose is only about 44%. This means that to supply the muscle building process with the extra 20,000 calories of ATP and GTP, you must consume a total of more than 45,000 extra food calories. When we add in the calories stored in the lipids and glycogen and ATP and creatine phosphate of the muscle, plus the calories to synthesize those substances, we get a grand total of approximately 47,000 calories.
 
when in doubt, look to science. its pretty easy to figure out that 99.9% of humans will not be able to replicate the muscle building environment on a daily basis for 365 days and add weight, lean muscle weight, at a consistent upward progress. heres a real basic look at what goes into making muscle. with all the processes going on in the body on a daily, weekly, monthly basis, there is no way the body will simply downregulate all other functions to focus on muscle growth only, and that is what would have to happen to add 35 pounds of muscle in a year.

So basically everyone on here who said they did it, or knows someone who has done it is a plain and simple liar LOL
 
So basically everyone on here who said they did it, or knows someone who has done it is a plain and simple liar LOL

I don't think he's calling anyone a liar but there is a truth when it comes to this kind of thing: Almost everyone underestimates the amount of bodyfat they have and overestimates the amount of lean tissue they have. You may be one of the few people that can accurately and objectively state this about yourself but most people can't - tim tim and others are just playing the odds and so am I. I don't know if 35 pounds of actual lean tissue in a year is impossible (never say impossible) but it is highly unlikely.
 
I hear you.

I gained - I had abs at the beginning, I had abs at the end. So what if it was a few lbs of fat, no one noticed it and no one thought any of my weight gain was fat.

The problem nowadays is all these kids all over the place workout for 3 mths then get tired and want to grow quicker so rather than focusing in on diet, working out, resting and so on, they decide to shoot up 1 gram of test cause everyone else is shouting how safe it is. Their diet stays the same, they continue drinking, they gain 10lbs and then they don't believe it's possible for anyone to gain 35lbs in a year naturally because they just don't get it.

It's quite a sorry state of affairs, I mean hell, I look at the photo gallery on this board and I see peeps post photos of post cycle and you wouldn't even feel they ever took steroids. I mean before pics are nothing, after pics are nothing and their excuse, they trained for a year and put 5lbs on so steroids was the way to go.

WTF, cause it's the guys who eat mcdonalds, drink 3 or 4 times a week and smoke all day long and drink carbonated drinks.

It's funny, I started off at 140, I am now 250 but very tall so it's not as noticeable as it would be on a 5 10 guy. I am also almost in to the single digit bodyfat. I've seen some people do 8 cycles and have the same stats as me (both the same height). LOL

People don't like what I am saying because they lack the required effort.

I am not speaking about TimTim but I see this shit every day on this board.

'Im 21yrs old, working out for 5 years and am 5foot 10 inches and weight 160lbs. Should I do 500mgs of test or 750mgs.'
 
I don't think he's calling anyone a liar but there is a truth when it comes to this kind of thing: Almost everyone underestimates the amount of bodyfat they have and overestimates the amount of lean tissue they have. You may be one of the few people that can accurately and objectively state this about yourself but most people can't - tim tim and others are just playing the odds and so am I. I don't know if 35 pounds of actual lean tissue in a year is impossible (never say impossible) but it is highly unlikely.

exactly. i put on 60 pounds during my sophomore year in college. from that i could say that there was not 20 pounds of muscle. maybe, 15. the rest was fat and water.

35 pounds of muscle, not including the fat and water in the 35 pounds of muscle, is not easily attained, if ever attained.
 
... and I'll believe. I'm debating with a poster on a different site about weight gain. He's swearing that it is possible to put on 35lbs of muscle in a year WITHOUT the use of AAS.

I would argue that it is close to impossible even with supperior AAS, supplements, diet and workout regimen.

Has anyone EVER heard or known of an instance where someone has put on 35 lbs of muscle in a year without AAS.

pure muscle and not fat + muscle? I don't belive it
 
@ 13 years old my parents had me on creatine ... I went from a diced 110lbs to a jacked/slightly bloated (still had abs) @ 140 lbs over the course of a Pee Wee hockey season lol.
 
I love how I keep getting the "I gained ?? lbs", we're not talking about just gaining lbs of weight, we're talking about gaining lbs of lean mass... there IS as HUGE difference.
 
I love how I keep getting the "I gained ?? lbs", we're not talking about just gaining lbs of weight, we're talking about gaining lbs of lean mass... there IS as HUGE difference.

i never said i gained 30lbs of pure muscle, but most of it is muscle, because im on a better diet then i was before im leaning out and adding weight. now if by the end of a year i have gained another 20lbs (and im not saying that i will and i dont want to anyway i just want another 10lbs), which would put me at 50lbs of gains, id have to say atleast 35lbs of that is muscle if i continue on with my diet.

naturally i find it very hard to put on 35lbs of muscle, but with aas i think it can be done.

when i was natural in my first year i gained around 20-25lbs
 
I have seen rare cases where teens are border line anorexic . They eat a doughnut for breakfast and a mountian dew for dinner weigh like 120lbs at 5'10
Then get on protien drinks and a normal diet gain 30-40lbs in a year and get up to 150-160lbs falling into the range of what a normal person looks like .
 
Its not possible.

Sure, every 20 year old will tell you about "the time they put on 35lbs of muscle" in a year but its simply not possible naturally.

Sorry
 
And I feel pretty confident saying Levrone's gains were not natty.
 
Dude my this guy I know gained 50lbs of rock hard solid muscle in 3 months eating 25 Powerbars a day! Seriously!!

Oh, and it added 4 inches to his cock too! omg!

And one time...at band camp...
 
Diet, age suppliments, workout, rest...etc all were mentioned here already and can definitely lead to good muscle development. But how old is this person.....if there are still in their teens or early 20 they will still have the higher natural testosterone levels that can spur a large growth spurt. Possible? Maybe. Probably....not really. Remember to factor in the Internet "padded numbers". Like the guys doing 80lb concentration curls(please....) or gaining 50lbs in a month taking Sust250. It is too easy to say wahtever with no proof in this type of platform.
 
Hm, Novice Trainer, Starting Strength Program, Gallon of Milk a Day....
30 lean pounds for an underweight growing college athlete is no big deal.


If you've already put on the muscle god thought you should have well then I figure it's pretty much impossible.
 
It is theoretically possible, and if you have good genetics, diet and training solid, newbie trainer, relatively young in age, it is possible.

The issue is that most 18-22 year olds are not clued up about diet and training.
 
I would say it's possible. 18 years old never trained before. Give him a Strict and someone to make sure he stuck to it. Young age and good genetics. TRUTHFULLY I would say if he was over weight significantly he would have an advantage adding muscle and dropping bodyfat? 250lb guy 30 percent bodyfat stays the same weight and drops 15 percent bodyfat over 1 year would be? Not far off of the lean bodymass increase.
 
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