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You fucking moron.

England is not the world power I'm concerned with today.

God damn you are pathetically stupid, to the point I almost pity you and understand how you could possibly get yourself locked up

I see, so you're worried about China are you, you big fucking orangutang. Please stick your little pistol up your ass and pull the trigger.
 
I see, so you're worried about China are you, you big fucking orangutang. Please stick your little pistol up your ass and pull the trigger.


You fucking retard. Wrong again.

How about the Goddamn United fucking States?

Did you really just miss the entire 10 page thread about this you retarded convict?

Jesus Christ I thought I had met really stupid people before...
 
I see, so you're worried about China are you, you big fucking orangutang. Please stick your little pistol up your ass and pull the trigger.

No FUCK you Nobama lover. Why not worry about the unknown...You need to worry about me pistol whipping your ass for being such a woman.
 
You fucking retard. Wrong again.

How about the Goddamn United fucking States?

Did you really just miss the entire 10 page thread about this you retarded convict?

Jesus Christ I thought I had met really stupid people before...

So you're going to take on this country with a pistol. Brilliant idea! If you hate it here so much here go back to where you came from shithead?
 
Anybody else getting tired of gun banning, birther, freedom and other stupid non-existant issues. Gun sales have gone up dramatically since Obama took office and gun manufacturers are making record profits. I'm a gun owner myself but I don't understand why individuals would want to own guns on that list unless they are planning on fighting an imaginary invading army like Barbados or St. Lucia or joining an anti-government militia in which case I would ask a simple question, The U.S. military took out Japan, Germany and Iraq, who the fuck are you?

the usa military are sworn NOT to use force against citizens.. that's what the National Guard is for.. and even then, deadly force against a civilian populace.. can you say desertion on a grand scale??

but that's just my 1st hand experience.. and understanding of the UCMJ..
 
the usa military are sworn NOT to use force against citizens.. that's what the National Guard is for.. and even then, deadly force against a civilian populace.. can you say desertion on a grand scale??

but that's just my 1st hand experience..

What I'm putting down is if a group of militia members decide to take up arms against the government will the government not invoke the patriot act and treat those people as domestic terrorists?
 
What I'm putting down is if a group of militia members decide to take up arms against the government will the government not invoke the patriot act and treat those people as domestic terrorists?


yes, idiot. That's what this whole thread is about.

And if you're one of those rebels, you're going to want more than a slingshot to fight off an enemy.
 
How bout I beat the FUCK out of you wife or girlfriends pussy she may like Gorilla Dick...or maybe you do.




"Men will be happy to know that humans have the largest primate penis with respect to overall body size. Gorillas oddly enough have one of the smallest primate penises, despite the fact that they are the largest primates on Earth. Gorillas penis size averages around a paltry two inches. Chimpanzees are much smaller than gorillas, yet sport a penis twice as long."




bang away, needle dick! :lmao:


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Great insight, good thing I'm not a Gorilla I said Gorilla Dick.

"Men will be happy to know that humans have the largest primate penis with respect to overall body size. Gorillas oddly enough have one of the smallest primate penises, despite the fact that they are the largest primates on Earth. Gorillas penis size averages around a paltry two inches. Chimpanzees are much smaller than gorillas, yet sport a penis twice as long."




bang away, needle dick! :lmao:


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Further clarity DICK...

Gorilla definition- Aggressive Heavily Built-Looking Man


"Men will be happy to know that humans have the largest primate penis with respect to overall body size. Gorillas oddly enough have one of the smallest primate penises, despite the fact that they are the largest primates on Earth. Gorillas penis size averages around a paltry two inches. Chimpanzees are much smaller than gorillas, yet sport a penis twice as long."




bang away, needle dick! :lmao:


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I think its funny how FFactor is baiting all you dumbass redneck hillbilly motherfuckers act like.....

dumbass redneck hillbilly motherfuckers. :lmao:

Carry on.
 
I think its funny how FFactor is baiting all you dumbass redneck hillbilly motherfuckers act like.....

dumbass redneck hillbilly motherfuckers. :lmao:

Carry on.

He's baiting now because he completely missed the point of the 2nd amendment and this whole thread lol. He somehow thinks we're worried about China and England, so we want assault rifles....
 
He's baiting now because he completely missed the point of the 2nd amendment and this whole thread lol. He somehow thinks we're worried about China and England, so we want assault rifles....

But that being said, I do know the thread is not about that...and still would love to have assualt rifles, need no...like to have yes.
 
He's baiting now because he completely missed the point of the 2nd amendment and this whole thread lol. He somehow thinks we're worried about China and England, so we want assault rifles....

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you have absolutely no idea about the second amendment and it's relevance. I don't blame you, it's part of the genetic make up of the race of rednecks.
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you have absolutely no idea about the second amendment and it's relevance. I don't blame you, it's part of the genetic make up of the race of rednecks.


That's a thin limb you're on, convict.

Care to educate me, oh wise one?
 
"Men will be happy to know that humans have the largest primate penis with respect to overall body size. Gorillas oddly enough have one of the smallest primate penises, despite the fact that they are the largest primates on Earth. Gorillas penis size averages around a paltry two inches. Chimpanzees are much smaller than gorillas, yet sport a penis twice as long."




bang away, needle dick! :lmao:


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Artie DeVanzo: [imitating Yankees PA Announcer Bob Sheppard] Your attention please, now pitching for Mangenelli: Number 1, Needle Dick,
[Artie's team laughs]
Artie DeVanzo: Number 1
Dennis Mangenelli: Yeah, all right!
Artie DeVanzo: Needle Dick
 
Artie DeVanzo: [imitating Yankees PA Announcer Bob Sheppard] Your attention please, now pitching for Mangenelli: Number 1, Needle Dick,
[Artie's team laughs]
Artie DeVanzo: Number 1
Dennis Mangenelli: Yeah, all right!
Artie DeVanzo: Needle Dick

Hahahahahaha I love that movie so much
 
Hahaha another dumb slut gets herpes the movie is full of classic lines


remember when the dude came out of the bathroom holding his nuts in agony......."I was getting a blowjob in the bathroom when this other whore punched my whore in the mouth". That part is probably in the top 3 hardest i've ever laughed in life.
 
remember when the dude came out of the bathroom holding his nuts in agony......."I was getting a blowjob in the bathroom when this other whore punched my whore in the mouth". That part is probably in the top 3 hardest i've ever laughed in life.

Haha classic scene
 
What I'm putting down is if a group of militia members decide to take up arms against the government will the government not invoke the patriot act and treat those people as domestic terrorists?

yes they will but they use the FBI as the arm of enforcement.. and for the next 4 yrs all you will see is death of americans as "unfortunate criminal acts" vs attacks on america...

case in point..
 
You don't need a class iii license on it. You need a class iii dealer to transfer it to you and fill out the required batf paperwork and pay the tax stamps on it. Register it in a trust and the wait time is much shorter and you can pass it on to your kids when you die.

Cool, I might have to do that then. That gun is so compact, it's basically a full auto pistol that fires armor piercing rounds with no recoil. Win. Thanks.
 
lmao

please stfu

I try but it's difficult with such great wisdom that I endure...

just for you..

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you mad??

simply because you disagree with someone's point of view or it's different from your's you think it's ok to be rude.. that's not ok..mmmmkkkk

I can post serious stuff regarding this muslim (in his own words) cheating president, but what's the point..

make others look bad?? no, you can only represent yourself just as I do..
 
you mad??

simply because you disagree with someone's point of view or it's different from your's you think it's ok to be rude.. that's not ok..mmmmkkkk

I can post serious stuff regarding this muslim (in his own words) cheating president, but what's the point..

make others look bad?? no, you can only represent yourself just as I do..


please inform me where barry said he was muslim.

Yes, it's easy to make others look bad when you're catogorized with them.

Myself, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, you, and fucking Nugent are all categorized into the same column by the leftist media. You honestly think we all share the same views?

Some of those guys I'd have a beer with, and some I'd like to punch in the face for what they've done to the GOP.
 
you mad??

simply because you disagree with someone's point of view or it's different from your's you think it's ok to be rude.. that's not ok..mmmmkkkk

I can post serious stuff regarding this muslim (in his own words) cheating president, but what's the point..

make others look bad?? no, you can only represent yourself just as I do..

so there is no basis for the bullshit you just posted?

oh, and sorry for being "rude". didn't mean to hurt your little feelings :rolleyes:
 
please inform me where barry said he was muslim.

Yes, it's easy to make others look bad when you're catogorized with them.

Myself, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, you, and fucking Nugent are all categorized into the same column by the leftist media. You honestly think we all share the same views?

Some of those guys I'd have a beer with, and some I'd like to punch in the face for what they've done to the GOP.

In his book.. dreams of my father..

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction..."

Does that make him a muslim?? perhaps that his father was a muslim and according to muslim law he is a muslim..

A jew is still a jew if he goes follows the laws or not..

I could care less if he worshiped the sun, goats or whatever, but when he attempts to disband (a prediction) congress, there will be another civil war in the usa..

google has too many sources to post them all..
 
I think everyone here would agree with you.. however crazy things are happening.. never thought i'd see many of it in my lifetime..

Again, what are these things you speak of? Believe me, I'm no democrat but I've yet to see anything happen that warrants any of this extreme right wing crazy talk.
 
I try but it's difficult with such great wisdom that I endure...

just for you..

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No one's personal liberties were being trampled when Bush was president I assume right? This is what bothers me about you, it's not that all of your fears are categorically misplaced...it's that people like you are all of a sudden sated when a conservative becomes president. That in this day and age, with all the evidence staring us smack in the face....you still think it matters who becomes president. So much so that when the guy you don't like becomes president you and your people resort to UTTERLY ABSURD hyperbole to smear the other side. And the problem with that is we polarize between far left and far right and no one can fucking get anything done cause asspuckering hillbilly's (does that acurately describe you?) run around shouting the world is ending now that the mooslim is president...which is a ridiculous claim. Mooslims don't care for strong outspoken women, there's your first clue right there. You think Michelle is putting a birka on anytime soon? Ur completely off the wagon if you think so. There's plenty to critisize but can we please now SHUT THE HOLY FUCING HELL up about birth certificate's and sekret Mooslim conspiracy's?

Here's a mental excercise for you. Let's say Obama's a Mooslim...ok....so he enacts a law saying the U.S is now a Muslim Caliphate. What in the shit do you think is going to happen? Are all of us going to listen to him and say "hey you know what this muslim thing sounds sweet"..?? Or is he going to be immediately impeached? How many people in the military do you think are going to back him up? How many spywizard? 5? 10? Just contemplating the absurdity of this scenario is already making me dumber. All this continued talk about where he was born and what god he worships is taking away from the need to keep a hawk eye on everyone right now...not just the white house but the house and senate. There's real shit taht needs to get done now.
 
Again, what are these things you speak of? Believe me, I'm no democrat but I've yet to see anything happen that warrants any of this extreme right wing crazy talk.

It's about integrity, our current president has none, he's demonstrated that time after time...

i'm not naive enough to believe that others lack this quality as well, however at least i had the perception of integrity with them..

and thus is so far removed from who i am and what i hold as valuable as to make it a complete joke..

I had to give that thought.."why do I dislike the man so much?? " I mean he does speak well, good looking, and sounds reasonable.... or does he..

Hope he can hear me from the back of the bus..
 
No one's personal liberties were being trampled when Bush was president I assume right? This is what bothers me about you, it's not that all of your fears are categorically misplaced...it's that people like you are all of a sudden sated when a conservative becomes president. That in this day and age, with all the evidence staring us smack in the face....you still think it matters who becomes president. So much so that when the guy you don't like becomes president you and your people resort to UTTERLY ABSURD hyperbole to smear the other side. And the problem with that is we polarize between far left and far right and no one can fucking get anything done cause asspuckering hillbilly's (does that acurately describe you?) run around shouting the world is ending now that the mooslim is president...which is a ridiculous claim. Mooslims don't care for strong outspoken women, there's your first clue right there. You think Michelle is putting a birka on anytime soon? Ur completely off the wagon if you think so. There's plenty to critisize but can we please now SHUT THE HOLY FUCING HELL up about birth certificate's and sekret Mooslim conspiracy's?

Here's a mental excercise for you. Let's say Obama's a Mooslim...ok....so he enacts a law saying the U.S is now a Muslim Caliphate. What in the shit do you think is going to happen? Are all of us going to listen to him and say "hey you know what this muslim thing sounds sweet"..?? Or is he going to be immediately impeached? How many people in the military do you think are going to back him up? How many spywizard? 5? 10? Just contemplating the absurdity of this scenario is already making me dumber. All this continued talk about where he was born and what god he worships is taking away from the need to keep a hawk eye on everyone right now...not just the white house but the house and senate. There's real shit taht needs to get done now.

I stated earlier i didn't care what religion he was.. it's irrelevant
 
In his book.. dreams of my father..

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction..."

Does that make him a muslim?? perhaps that his father was a muslim and according to muslim law he is a muslim..

A jew is still a jew if he goes follows the laws or not..

I could care less if he worshiped the sun, goats or whatever, but when he attempts to disband (a prediction) congress, there will be another civil war in the usa..

google has too many sources to post them all..

Another right wing pile of crap lie. He never said it! Jesus.

snopes.com: Obama Racism Quotes
 
Back to this, since someone I won't name says I overplayed my Bush card (Cough..Bino...cough)

Quote posted by Headholio You mean Bush's fast and furious plan?


Bush's Wide Reciever operation was the same gun walking operation as the Fast and Furious operation, both run out of the Phoenix ATF office. Both were investigated by the Justice department and both were criticized.

Blog posts are not credible citations for news facts. That first link is a joke. the second link is fairly accurate.

If you have a problem with Obama and fast and furious, then you have to have a problem with Bush as well. They did the same thing. And it started under Bush. Personally, I don't have a problem with either of them, as I doubt that either had any involvement or knowledge of these type of ATF activities.
Fast and Furious is just another Faux boobs diversion, but I'm sure no one ever heard that Bush did the same thing while watching the fair and balanced station.
 
Another right wing pile of crap lie. He never said it! Jesus.

snopes.com: Obama Racism Quotes


you know what never ceases to amaze me, is that while i have issues with how the guy governs in certain areas...he's still a politician and I by and large don't trust politicians at all.....it still amazes me when I see some of these quotes taken out of context and then when you see the full context, you realize that guy kind of has something of a soul going on. That quote about ceasing to advertise my mothers race was such a viscious contextual smear that I think the perpertrators of it need to be brained out with a shovel. The full paragraph reads he stopped doing it because at the time, "CERTAIN PEOPLE", absolutely abhorred bi racial marriages and would discriminate against the children. If someone who reads that isn't acknowledging what the social landscape in this country was back n the times that Obama is talking about here, than you're living in your own world devoid of actual reality and you can just leave the planet your useless. Holding that quote against the guy, when there's actual legitimate policy debates to be having and we're indulging in this kind of specious partisan hackery....it just leaves you with no hope for this country. It's like their purposefully trying to drown us in this crap instead of the real problems/issues.
 
I stated earlier i didn't care what religion he was.. it's irrelevant


but yet you keep calling him our black mooslim communist anti christ. C'mon dude, don't try and back out of it now. Somewhere deep in your central nervous system is a chip implant that tweeks you every 48 or so hours into an ass puckering anti obama frenzy where you will beleive everything you hear about him that fits the pre rendered narrative that was programmed into that chip and anything contrary you couldn't be bothered with.
 
Back to this, since someone I won't name says I overplayed my Bush card (Cough..Bino...cough)




Bush's Wide Reciever operation was the same gun walking operation as the Fast and Furious operation, both run out of the Phoenix ATF office. Both were investigated by the Justice department and both were criticized.

Blog posts are not credible citations for news facts. That first link is a joke. the second link is fairly accurate.

If you have a problem with Obama and fast and furious, then you have to have a problem with Bush as well. They did the same thing. And it started under Bush. Personally, I don't have a problem with either of them, as I doubt that either had any involvement or knowledge of these type of ATF activities.
Fast and Furious is just another Faux boobs diversion, but I'm sure no one ever heard that Bush did the same thing while watching the fair and balanced station.

this style of defending obama is widely practiced by his fan base that refuses to admit that the man is cupable of any fault and any transgression he may have committed can be defended by claiming the other guy did it first.
op wide reciever was similiar but it was a different operation and ended before fast and furious fired itself into infamy.
some major differences between the two that you failed to mention:
-op wide reciever was known to the mexican gov (f&f was not)
-an attempt at gps tracking was used in op w.r, not attempt in f&f
-op w.r was discontinued once it was realized that tracking the weapons was not possible once they crossed the border
-no reported murders are linked to op w.r, whereas hundreds are linked to f&f.
the fact that you "don't have a problem" with obama's admin being linked to hundreds of dead mexicans says a lot about you.
 
this style of defending obama is widely practiced by his fan base that refuses to admit that the man is cupable of any fault and any transgression he may have committed can be defended by claiming the other guy did it first.

I understand why you are tired of the "he did it first argument". It is a common argument when dealing with hypocrits. Thats why democrats use it so much with republicans. Get it? :lmao:

op wide reciever was similiar but it was a different operation and ended before fast and furious fired itself into infamy.

So, Wide Receiver was different, so you are ok with the ATF botching up that operation? Because Bush was in office?
I don't doubtr there were differences in the 2 operations, but I know they were both botched. I know gun walking was done by the ATF since 2006, and they were screwing it up since 2006. So how do you close your eyes to that fact and pretend like this is an Obama problem?

Here's the Justice department report on both operations. Wide receiver let 474 guns across the border, and only recovered 64 of them (page 67). Are you ok with that? Letting guns across the border into the hands of criminals, and not recovering them. Did that just turn into a bad thing in 2009? ;)

http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2012/s1209.pdf

the fact that you "don't have a problem" with obama's admin being linked to hundreds of dead mexicans says a lot about you

I said I don't have a problem with Obama or Bush specifically, because neither one was directly involved in these operations. I have a problem with the ATF.
So what does it say about me? you think I'm worse than a guy who pretends that Obama is culpable for gun walking problems and pretends Bush did nothing when he started it and had his own botched operation? Explain the difference.

Page 412:


Both investigations had the same strategic goal – to follow guns up
an organizational chain to build a large gun trafficking case. Both
investigations involved many of the same issues and tactics, including the use
of physical and electronic surveillance; the use of cooperating FFLs; and the
bulk purchase of weapons by suspected straw purchasers and the
transportation of those weapons throughout the southwest border area and
into Mexico. Additionally, both investigations were run out of the Phoenix Field
Division under the same SAC
.........
We reject the notion that Operation Wide Receiver lacked relevance
because it was carried out under different leadership at the U.S. Attorney’s office and ATF headquarters.


P. 413​

Dismissing the relevance of a
similarly flawed investigation because it happened under another
administration’s “watch” is not what we believe should be expected of a senior
Department official.

You should read the conclusions starting on page 417. It is clear, this was incompetence in the ATF that began in the Bush years and flowed into the Obama years. The report makes clear that the actions of the ATF were consistent and the Fast and Furious program has nothing significant to differentiate it from the same or similar activities happening since 2006.​


Bino said:
no reported murders are linked to op w.r, whereas hundreds are linked to f&f.

I think you need to cite your souce, because I don't think its true. Wide receiver left hundreds of guns unaccounted for. Fast and Furious, over a thousand. How can you count deaths caused by unaccounted guns? The results of both operations were the same. The smoke screen has been removed.




 
sorry Bino but headholio has more sense about this than you. In no way did I sense Head had "no problem" with these gun walking operations, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Head is absolutely right, it's incompetence at ATF. I'm actually surprised to hear they were doing it prior to 08 because I thought F&F was a new tactic and they dropped it seeing how it didn't work in the slightest. And Bino how do we know none of those guns sold to messicans prior to 08 haven't been used to murder people or will not in the future? Is there some special GOP pixie dust they sprinkled on the guns before they let them walk EXACTLY like F&F did? Isnt' it safe to assume those guns have either killed people or are in circulation with people who WILL at some point kill other people? I'm really confused at the distinctions you're attempting to draw between the two operations. If I'm reading you right it goes something like this.....sure both operations let guns walk across the border BUT the guns from F&F are the ones we KNOW have to date been used in murdering people, ergo F&F is a direct failure of Barack Hussein Obama while the previous Bush administration operation is.....well we're not gonna talk about it. Do I have that about right?
 
sorry Bino but headholio has more sense about this than you. In no way did I sense Head had "no problem" with these gun walking operations, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Head is absolutely right, it's incompetence at ATF. I'm actually surprised to hear they were doing it prior to 08 because I thought F&F was a new tactic and they dropped it seeing how it didn't work in the slightest. And Bino how do we know none of those guns sold to messicans prior to 08 haven't been used to murder people or will not in the future? Is there some special GOP pixie dust they sprinkled on the guns before they let them walk EXACTLY like F&F did? Isnt' it safe to assume those guns have either killed people or are in circulation with people who WILL at some point kill other people? I'm really confused at the distinctions you're attempting to draw between the two operations. If I'm reading you right it goes something like this.....sure both operations let guns walk across the border BUT the guns from F&F are the ones we KNOW have to date been used in murdering people, ergo F&F is a direct failure of Barack Hussein Obama while the previous Bush administration operation is.....well we're not gonna talk about it. Do I have that about right?

of course you will side with headholio he closer resembles your beliefs than i do, duh!
gop pixie dust=gps tracking devices that proved ineffective and lead to the cancellation of the project.
if they have killed they have never been linked that i have read read about...one would think if they did they press would be screaming about bush killing more innocents.
brian terry got murdered by a FF weapon and blew the lid off,mix in obama's obfuscations regarding the matter (claiming exec. privledge)and the you have quite the scandal that is why FF is in the spotlight and WR is not...you can bet your bottom dollar that we would know about WR in relation to murders and bush's evil machinations
 
of course you will side with headholio he closer resembles your beliefs than i do, duh!
gop pixie dust=gps tracking devices that proved ineffective and lead to the cancellation of the project.
if they have killed they have never been linked that i have read read about...one would think if they did they press would be screaming about bush killing more innocents.
brian terry got murdered by a FF weapon and blew the lid off,mix in obama's obfuscations regarding the matter (claiming exec. privledge)and the you have quite the scandal that is why FF is in the spotlight and WR is not...you can bet your bottom dollar that we would know about WR in relation to murders and bush's evil machinations


no not duh, if he was wrong on this I'd say so. He was wrong to call all the people worried about democrat gun control "ass puckering hillbilly's", but it's a hilarious visual in any case. But he's not wrong here. And you're still holding onto flawed reasoning...gun walking ops are wrong PERIOD!! Whether the GPS units failed or not is irrelevant, there's no way to close in on those guns in time even if they all went to the same place. The ATF made a calculated decision to possibly sacrifice a few lives so that they locate the main hive. And they did that with the citizens of a foreign country. WR SHOULD be in the spotlight as well because we have absolutely zero knowledge of what happened to those guns. We only got lucky with F&F because those guns got dropped at the scene when things went bad.
 
of course you will side with headholio he closer resembles your beliefs than i do, duh!
gop pixie dust=gps tracking devices that proved ineffective and lead to the cancellation of the project.
if they have killed they have never been linked that i have read read about...one would think if they did they press would be screaming about bush killing more innocents.
brian terry got murdered by a FF weapon and blew the lid off,mix in obama's obfuscations regarding the matter (claiming exec. privilege)and the you have quite the scandal that is why FF is in the spotlight and WR is not...you can bet your bottom dollar that we would know about WR in relation to murders and bush's evil machinations

Pretty funny that you call me partisan when it is republicans that are turning this ATF fuck up into political slander. And you didn't hear equivalent slander about Bush because the democrats don't sink that low, and republicans are hypocrites once again. Another example of fair and balanced fake news.

And the program wasn't cancelled. It continued from 2006 on. It was cancelled but it continued? From the same ATF office? You aren't making sense.

You can nit pick to try and differentiate what is essentially the same thing, but Americans don't buy this right wing propaganda, and the election proved it. Fox noise isn't working.

Brian Terry got killed. But you claimed hundreds. Still waiting for the back up on that.

I don't doubt people got killed due to all ATF fucked up gun walking programs, but tryng to sell this gun walking= Obama crap is such transparent political BS I would be embarrassed to be on that side of the argument.

Read the justice department conclusions page 417.
 

well i didn't say it wasn't funny. On social issues I usually lean more left but not on gun control. Not anymore. Not that I want the average american who isn't responsible enough to raise children, to have access to military grade weapons....but I also think the dems want to take away too much. Sawed off shotties, extended clips, all that should be legal in your home. Especially sawed off shotties. That never made sense to me. Criminals will always just saw off the barrels right before they use it, but cops see a sawed off in your wife's closet for when you're out of town and there'll be some five oh ass puckerin....like it's just a matter of time before you're heading into a school yard with that sawed off. Makes no fucking sense, just penalizes the people that it's actually useful for....home defense. A 16 gauge sawed off is the perfect hallway sweeper for your wife....and those rounds won't go through the wall and hurt your kids like other ammunition will. A 9mm is really a terrible home defense ammunition.
 
Pretty funny that you call me partisan when it is republicans that are turning this ATF fuck up into political slander. And you didn't hear equivalent slander about Bush because the democrats don't sink that low, and republicans are hypocrites once again. Another example of fair and balanced fake news.

And the program wasn't cancelled. It continued from 2006 on. It was cancelled but it continued? From the same ATF office? You aren't making sense.

You can nit pick to try and differentiate what is essentially the same thing, but Americans don't buy this right wing propaganda, and the election proved it. Fox noise isn't working.

Brian Terry got killed. But you claimed hundreds. Still waiting for the back up on that.

I don't doubt people got killed due to all ATF fucked up gun walking programs, but tryng to sell this gun walking= Obama crap is such transparent political BS I would be embarrassed to be on that side of the argument.

Read the justice department conclusions page 417.
lol at the dems some how being morally superior and not sinking so low, are you really that politicall naive? do i need to post the numerous comments made about bush while he was in office by top dems? had their been one death during WR the press would have ate it up and your bros would've been parading the body around n.america.
but anyway here you go
Approximately 300 Mexicans have been killed or wounded by Fast and Furious guns, estimates former Mexican attorney general Victor Humberto Benítez Treviño.
Remember Fast and Furious?s Mexican Victims - Deroy Murdock - National Review Online

Dubbed "Operation Wide Receiver," the Bush-era operation was run out of Tucson between 2006 and 2007, ending before Bush left office and before Fast and Furious began under Obama in 2009. The differences between it and Fast and Furious are vast, starting with the fact that Wide Receiver produced no dead bodies.

Read More At IBD: White House Falsely Blames Bush-Era Wide Receiver For Fast And Furious - Investors.com xv

Weapons from the botched federal gun-trafficking operation were used to kill 16 Mexican teenagers, according to a report.

The youths were attending a party in Ciudad Juarez in January 2010 when they were killed by weapons from the Fast and Furious operation, Spanish-language television network Univision reported yesterday.
16 Mexican teens killed by Fast and Furious guns - NYPOST.com

"Team Obama's defenders correctly argue that George W. Bush administration investigators distributed some 450 guns in Mexico through Operation Wide Receiver, the precursor to Fast and Furious.

But there are several key differences between the two initiatives: No known deaths pertain to Operation Wide Receiver. Many of its weapons featured radio-tracking devices, unlike most Fast and Furious guns. Also, Mexico's government knew about and supported Wide Receiver.

In contrast, Issa and Grassley's report observed, "ATF and DOJ leadership kept their own personnel in Mexico and Mexican government officials totally in the dark about all aspects of Fast and Furious."
Mexico's Forgotten Victims of 'Fast and Furious'

bottom line, both programs were fuct up, bush escaped scrutiny due to a better run program (at least the fuking mex gov new about it) on a smaller scale that has not been tied to any murders. you are twisting in the wind trying to defend and deflect and it makes me squeal with delight
 
why are you "squealing with delight" Bino? don't pigs "squeal"? why are you self identifying with a pig?

In any case ur still holding on to there being a difference between the programs cause nobody has been documented to have been killed by WR guns, despite the fact they went into the mexican populace exactly like F&F did. They're still out there, they weren't recovered. So it's by pure unadulterated chance they havne't been dropped at a crime scene yet. You say they were radio tagged, ok so were they then retrieved in short order after they were sold? If so I will completely reverse my assessment of the situation, WR "WAS" handled better than F&F....but I have to see that documentation. Otherwise you're sayng WR was better for really no good reason other than that luckily none of those guns has shown up yet at a crime scene. And that's not exactly sound justification.
 
I post the DOJ investigation report, and Bino posts right wing propaganda. Discussing this absurd attempt to blame Obama for ATF screw ups that have been going on for years prior would just give the impression of legitimacy to the assertion, and there is no legitimacy.

It's hilarious to google the difference between Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious, because you will find every right wing rag trying to do the same thing Bino is doing. Bushs guns that went over the border are good, Obamas are bad. Bush good, Obama bad. The DOJ makes no such conclusions and finds no differences worthy of mention in its summary. Both ATF operations let guns over the border and those guns were never recovered, and were used in crimes. Fast and Furious actually recovered a higher percentage of the guns than wide receiver. The diversion to point out differences is to cover the embarrassment of another right wing smear campaign back firing.
Right wingers have no shame to feign outrage over one and defend the other. There is nothing to discuss for those not blinded by partisan BS.
There is no sense in arguing with someone who sees the world through Fox goggles.
 
i have not quoted a fox news story in this thread...the national review story quoted is a quote from the mexican AG, the other quotes are documented deaths via FF guns and not opinion pieces.
i have never said once that bush's guns are good or better, only a lot numerous and not linked to murders (500 WR guns and over 2000 ff guns).
calling me a blind partisan hack then quoting a DOJ report seems hypocritical to me ...considering eric holder's political leanings and his hiding behind obama, the doj is about as non-partisan as fox news.
obama's guns and murders are not cancelled out because of WR, and his admin should not recieve a pass, that is what our disagreement boils down to...
 
I have the CCW just for shits n' giggles. Don't really carry ever. Getting one in SD isn't easy either. Only the Sheriff will issue them, not any of the local PD.

I carry daily...


It's the same here, the Sherrif issues them, but it's not really a big deal to get one. Just pay the fee and fill out the application with proof of training.
 
I carry daily...


It's the same here, the Sherrif issues them, but it's not really a big deal to get one. Just pay the fee and fill out the application with proof of training.

I have property in the Inland Empire, a real "redneck" part of CA. The sheriff there issued it to me, when the Oceanside police wouldn't do it.
 
Yeah, i've heard of people that live in area's where the Sherrif won't issue them that they end up getting a mailbox/pobox in a different county where the sherrif isn't as uptight.
 
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