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Your Max Bench, Dead, Squat ?
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Lord_Suston said:
Right now I am following 5x5, but in the past I use a CNS training method. My punches are hard but most people comment on my acceleration to my target. I almost literally sprint at the person and then punch... Soon I will be training for more punching power and speed since they are correlated... This couple with a good foot work program this summer should make me look like Mikey tyson, except the whole ear thing
CNS training method being heavy, non failure sets with reps between 1-4 i take it?
sounds good....your numbers are where i want to be by the end of the year/next year (thats a dream scenario thouhg it never quite works out like that)
last 1RM i did on bench was 240lbs, its gone p since but i dont know by how much. squat and deads would have gone down due to injury
gettinlarger
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needsize said:
Holy shitballs.
Parabellum
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DBCooper said:
WOW. I'd like to pick their brains.
Lord_Suston
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danielson said:
Exactly, most sets are to 3 reps. nonfailure and steady weight loading with plenty of rest between sets. Wait and watch for the next few weeks
, I am planning on some real gains in size and strength.P.S. my flat bench has gone through the roof due to working on Inclines and close-grip
Diabolik
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sk* said:
I suppose. I don't get embarassed by my numbers usually, even if my upper body is a little low at times. There are a lot of guys at my gym who are a lot stronger, and those who are weaker, but they are there to get in shape and they are trying and making progress, and that's what matters. I respect anyone who is making an effort to progress, even if they have a 100 lb 1RM. At least they're busting their ass. We all started somewhere
I remember when I was maxing at 95 lbs when I first started...
-Diabolik
Mini-Steele
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this is what im at in senior year of highschool
bench-245
squat-355
deadlift-have never tested yet
bench-245
squat-355
deadlift-have never tested yet
Mini-Steele
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6'2"
255lbs
255lbs
SK* Hopefully you will take this the right way so here it is: get a fucking clue.
My progression:
Senior in H.S. ~17
6'3''
235 lbs
8%
bench-315
Squat-465
Deadlift-never did them
Clean (no drop)-295
Mid College~20
6'3 1/2''
265 lbs
10%
bench-365
Squat-495 x 6 no,no- olympic
Clean (full olympic)-397
Snatch (full) 309
Now
Bench-505
Below Parallel Box Squat-615
Dead- 495 w/ doubled purple bands
Kettle Bells and Turkish get ups-I'm a bitch, "everytime I think I am getting strong I find a new weakness."
My progression:
Senior in H.S. ~17
6'3''
235 lbs
8%
bench-315
Squat-465
Deadlift-never did them
Clean (no drop)-295
Mid College~20
6'3 1/2''
265 lbs
10%
bench-365
Squat-495 x 6 no,no- olympic
Clean (full olympic)-397
Snatch (full) 309
Now
Bench-505
Below Parallel Box Squat-615
Dead- 495 w/ doubled purple bands
Kettle Bells and Turkish get ups-I'm a bitch, "everytime I think I am getting strong I find a new weakness."
IronLion said:
Yea 315 bench at 6'3 235 8% bodyfat, are you comparing that to 6'3 185lbs and benching 235lbs?
Well buddy my stats as of now are 6'3 230-235lbs with 10-11% bodyfat and my numbers are only a little below what yours were in senior year in highschool. So you can see why your numbers won't really shock me, but being 6'3 185lbs and benching 235 will.
And no I didn't take it the wrong way.
-sk
Zander1983
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sk* said:
I'm 170lbs and bench 265lbs. I don't expect that to shock you.
Zander1983
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Zander1983 said:
Although after posting that, I immediately realised I missed the point
Zander1983
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sk* said:
Correct, which was what "although after posting that, I immediately realised I missed the point" was referring to
Don't measure everyone by your own yardstick
or else Pyrros owns us all---------180 lbs----385 lb SNATCH
There are a ton of guys I know that are 6'3'' and weigh between 180 and 200 lbs and most bench 300+ lbs. SK you work out with a bunch of little girls I guess. I have a friend who is an all american wide receiver who benches close to 400 lbs and he is 6'6'' and weighs about 195, there are countless others like him, why do you continue to hate?
or else Pyrros owns us all---------180 lbs----385 lb SNATCH
There are a ton of guys I know that are 6'3'' and weigh between 180 and 200 lbs and most bench 300+ lbs. SK you work out with a bunch of little girls I guess. I have a friend who is an all american wide receiver who benches close to 400 lbs and he is 6'6'' and weighs about 195, there are countless others like him, why do you continue to hate?
http://elitefts.com/documents/strength.htm
Perception of strength is all relative to the people you surround yourself with. If you think you are strong....find stronger people to hang out with. There is always someone stronger.
Perception of strength is all relative to the people you surround yourself with. If you think you are strong....find stronger people to hang out with. There is always someone stronger.
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Re: Don't measure everyone by your own yardstick
Hate? Man what the hell, I don't hate anything ... and I am not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule. The people in my home gym are weak older guys, but there are plenty of big guys in my college gym ...
-sk
IronLion said:or else Pyrros owns us all---------180 lbs----385 lb SNATCH
There are a ton of guys I know that are 6'3'' and weigh between 180 and 200 lbs and most bench 300+ lbs. SK you work out with a bunch of little girls I guess. I have a friend who is an all american wide receiver who benches close to 400 lbs and he is 6'6'' and weighs about 195, there are countless others like him, why do you continue to hate?
Hate? Man what the hell, I don't hate anything ... and I am not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule. The people in my home gym are weak older guys, but there are plenty of big guys in my college gym ...
-sk
Re: Re: Don't measure everyone by your own yardstick
I think the point trying to be made, or at least the point I see struggling for comprehension, is that maybe you only THINK these people are the exception to the rule. As the article Hannibal refers to illustrates, it's all in who you surround yourself with. Even a college gym is a bad basis for comparison, from what I have seen (and I used to work in one). Finding people that can maintain a high weight to bodyweight lift to be an exception, even though I could probably list 100, is an example of a "self imposed ceiling." A mind-set that leaves you feeling ok with where you are. You have great lifts, even compared to the mediochre crowd you are surrounded with. Imagine what you could lift if you trained with a few people your same height, weight and body fat that could outlift you? I train with 3-10 men who all outlift me. I know how much I play up to them. If I trained with someone weaker than me, or even the same, I probably wouldn't progress like I do.
sk* said:
I think the point trying to be made, or at least the point I see struggling for comprehension, is that maybe you only THINK these people are the exception to the rule. As the article Hannibal refers to illustrates, it's all in who you surround yourself with. Even a college gym is a bad basis for comparison, from what I have seen (and I used to work in one). Finding people that can maintain a high weight to bodyweight lift to be an exception, even though I could probably list 100, is an example of a "self imposed ceiling." A mind-set that leaves you feeling ok with where you are. You have great lifts, even compared to the mediochre crowd you are surrounded with. Imagine what you could lift if you trained with a few people your same height, weight and body fat that could outlift you? I train with 3-10 men who all outlift me. I know how much I play up to them. If I trained with someone weaker than me, or even the same, I probably wouldn't progress like I do.
Re: Re: Re: Don't measure everyone by your own yardstick
Well maybe what you are saying is true. I never really trained with anyone, with the exception of 2-3months with my friend ... but at the same time i've read and heard that many bodybuilders train alone too. Ronnie Coleman in his video stated that he trains alone too ...
The way I see it is I have either a cutting phase or a bulking phase. In the bulking phase I am a failure unless I add on weight to all my compound movements every week, so I don't really think I am lacking motivation although perhaps I would gain better if I trained with other people?
-sk
spatts said:
Well maybe what you are saying is true. I never really trained with anyone, with the exception of 2-3months with my friend ... but at the same time i've read and heard that many bodybuilders train alone too. Ronnie Coleman in his video stated that he trains alone too ...
The way I see it is I have either a cutting phase or a bulking phase. In the bulking phase I am a failure unless I add on weight to all my compound movements every week, so I don't really think I am lacking motivation although perhaps I would gain better if I trained with other people?
-sk
You may or may not gain better, but it sure helps me.
I didn't go into powerlifting looking at the numbers of the ladies at my gym. I didn't even look at the local meet results or state results. I went straight to the APF and IPA records and said, "OK, so I need at least 1575 to be at a level I find acceptable. I better get to work." I look at Grimwood and Swanson...mostly I look at the men I train with. I think about how close I am to some of them in weight; what if I just worked a little harder?
No limits.
I didn't go into powerlifting looking at the numbers of the ladies at my gym. I didn't even look at the local meet results or state results. I went straight to the APF and IPA records and said, "OK, so I need at least 1575 to be at a level I find acceptable. I better get to work." I look at Grimwood and Swanson...mostly I look at the men I train with. I think about how close I am to some of them in weight; what if I just worked a little harder?
No limits.
spatts said:You may or may not gain better, but it sure helps me.
I didn't go into powerlifting looking at the numbers of the ladies at my gym. I didn't even look at the local meet results or state results. I went straight to the APF and IPA records and said, "OK, so I need at least 1575 to be at a level I find acceptable. I better get to work." I look at Grimwood and Swanson...mostly I look at the men I train with. I think about how close I am to some of them in weight; what if I just worked a little harder?
No limits.
Working harder is nice, damn I wish I could be in the gym 6hours a day and make 6times the gains.
Also, I noticed when I trained with my friend we talked more than lifted ... the breaks between the sets got longer, etc, etc. One good thing about lifting with him was that I always had a spot. I think, for myself, it is better to lift alone and ask for a spot to the guy next to me if I need it.Just curious, what numbers did you start with when you first started lifting? On the major compound movements I mean.
-sk
TheOak84 said:
Bro, I just checked your profile and you are 5'3 ... let's do some math:
Each inch is about 6lbs on a male (although some people say as much as 10lbs).
If you were 6'3 you would be 12inches taller, so 12X6=72
Now let's add the 72lbs to your weight of 140lbs = 212lbs
If you factor in that you are much shorter and don't have to move the weight as long of a distance your lifts were right where they should have been.
-sk
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sk* said:
Working harder is nice, damn I wish I could be in the gym 6hours a day and make 6times the gains.
Just curious, what numbers did you start with when you first started lifting? On the major compound movements I mean.
-sk
You get big from eating and sleeping NOT training for hours an hours.
6 hours a day ---> 6 times the gain? Please tell me you don't really believe that? 
I have been powerlifting about 1 year. At the time I had just been to the ER for a deadlift injury, I could barely raise my arms from rotator cuff issues, and my squat form was pathetic.
My maxes, prior to injury, were:
1 shitty squat for 315, usually used 285 for reps (this went way down when I learned proper form).
8-10 bb style bench presses with 135 (in extreme pain).
When I went to ER Jan 2002 on the day of my deadlift incident, I was using 225 for 8-10 WITH STRAPS.
After one year, my lifts under the same conditions are 300 strong and healthy pounds higher...and about 500 pounds higher under meet conditions.
I have been powerlifting about 1 year. At the time I had just been to the ER for a deadlift injury, I could barely raise my arms from rotator cuff issues, and my squat form was pathetic.
My maxes, prior to injury, were:
1 shitty squat for 315, usually used 285 for reps (this went way down when I learned proper form).
8-10 bb style bench presses with 135 (in extreme pain).
When I went to ER Jan 2002 on the day of my deadlift incident, I was using 225 for 8-10 WITH STRAPS.
After one year, my lifts under the same conditions are 300 strong and healthy pounds higher...and about 500 pounds higher under meet conditions.
sk* said:
Working harder is nice, damn I wish I could be in the gym 6hours a day and make 6times the gains.
Just curious, what numbers did you start with when you first started lifting? On the major compound movements I mean.
-sk
Working harder rarely means more time in the gym. And if working out with your friend took away from your progress then you need a new partner. A training partner that isn't as dedicated as you are is in your way. Having said that...if you find a training partner that really pushes you...there is no way training alone can yield the same results.
It is too easy to lie to yourself and say you did all you could when you are alone. However when someone just did a GM that breaks your PR and they are looking back at you saying "your turn" what do you do?? You get off your ass whether you want to or not...and you lift the f/n weight.
sk* said:
WOW. I'm starting to feel like I'm getting my leg pulled here.
This is about biomechanics, and the height on bench press means very little. You can't use a formula for this! That's just one more way of limiting. That school of thought, even if correctly applied to the bench press, does not mean a disadvantage...by that logic I should not have any bench at all. My arms are 30 inches long, from center of neck to wrist, and I'm only 5'9". They hang down to my mid thighs. When I squat, I grip the bar at the plates, and my arms are STILL bent. I didn't let some equation stop me. I learned to tuck my traps, raise my chest, bench low, drive back with my legs, grip wide, etc...until I had my bench stroke down to 8.5 inches!!!!!!!!!! Again, no limits.
coolcolj
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I don't buy this height thing
Look at how strong and explosive throwers are, and most of them are in the 6'2" to 6'4" range - some even taller. Here having long limbs is an advantage because you can generate more force throwing the implement. And yet they tend to have big benches, big oly lifts and big squats.
Granted they are highly fast twitch, but that goes to show its muscle makeup+training+hard work that is more important, rather than leverage and limb length.
Look at how strong and explosive throwers are, and most of them are in the 6'2" to 6'4" range - some even taller. Here having long limbs is an advantage because you can generate more force throwing the implement. And yet they tend to have big benches, big oly lifts and big squats.
Granted they are highly fast twitch, but that goes to show its muscle makeup+training+hard work that is more important, rather than leverage and limb length.
spatts said:6 hours a day ---> 6 times the gain? Please tell me you don't really believe that?
No, lol, the whole point was I wish it would work like that as if it did then I would be in the gym all day long. It was towards your comment about working harder. Since it is understood, by most powerlifters and bodybuilders, not to train for longer than 45-90mins it really becomes hard to "train hard." All that's left is to make sure our diets are right.
-sk
spatts said:
I think you misunderstood me again. My first point about the height is that for someone that is 5'3 140lbs is a good amount but for someone that is 6'3 IT IS NOTHING.
My second point was that the shorter you have the less amount of "work" you have to do according to physics. It's really simple, the longer your arms are the more distance you have to push the weight and fight against gravity. You can still do all the things (that you said) that make you a good bencher, but so can someone who is shorter and he/she can take slightly more advantage of it than the taller person.
-sk
Hannibal said:
I answered the point about training longer to spatts' responce. You guys just misunderstood me, I guess I didn't explain myself clearly.
Regarding training harder, like I said, if I am bulking than I am a failure if I don't set a new PR on every major compound movement every week. Maybe I am able to achieve this because I haven't been training as long as you, which would be completely understandable as the more you train the harder it becomes to build more muscle/strength.
-sk
Mike_Rojas
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no excuses, just do it.
In my experience, taller guys are generally stronger than shorter guys. Even those tall, lanky ones. If you're unhappy with your strength level, do a pure strength building routine for a few months.
In my experience, taller guys are generally stronger than shorter guys. Even those tall, lanky ones. If you're unhappy with your strength level, do a pure strength building routine for a few months.
Mike_Rojas
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sk* said:
You obviously do care or you wouldn't be here questioning everyone's lifts
Mike_Rojas said:
Not to the point you would think, I have already forgotten all numbers except spatts' 400-430 deadlift and that 6'3 185guy who benches 235.
The only people I rarely look at in the gym are the really big guys (at least what I consider big). Most other guys I see are just cheating on their movements.
-sk
Mike_Rojas
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I don't think the people on this msg board are your average lifters. All this talk of deadlifts and squats and such. I used to go to a couple different gyms, and in 2 years or so I only saw 1 guy do a deadlift. Everyone was watching, probably trying to figure out what he was doing. He needed to get permission, 'cause the sign said "no olympic weights on the floor". They did mostly bench with endless forced reps, lots of different curls, side laterals, a few pulldowns. Even chins were rare. One big guy even came up to me when I was doing squats and asked for advice. I saw him repping out with 275 on the incline bench, but he never squatted. His friends talked him into doing a bodybuilding show, and he decided he should probably start working his legs!
I'm sure you meant no harm sk*, but you ticked off some people here when you questioned their lifts.
I'm sure you meant no harm sk*, but you ticked off some people here when you questioned their lifts.
So what if the short arm guy has a natural advantage? Kick his ass anyway.
Height has nothing to do with it...you need to get that out of your head. Even weight has little do with it compared to LBM. Then even LBM has little to do with it compared to recruitment efficiency. I could look at my disadvantages all day long, but I prefer to work around them. When I lay down on the bench, I know that I had to work harder to get there than alot of people, and determination goes further than physics sometimes.
Height has nothing to do with it...you need to get that out of your head. Even weight has little do with it compared to LBM. Then even LBM has little to do with it compared to recruitment efficiency. I could look at my disadvantages all day long, but I prefer to work around them. When I lay down on the bench, I know that I had to work harder to get there than alot of people, and determination goes further than physics sometimes.
spatts said:
Argh, that wasn't the point. The guy was 140lbs at 5'3 and was trying to argue that he can bench 225lbs. So what, are you trying to tell me he would do that same life if he was 6'3 and 140lbs? LBM is relative to height, so I don't even know where you are going with the second part of your post (all 200lbs isn't created equal). I am 230-235lbs, that's pretty much nothing for someone who is 6'3 but it would be monstrous for someone who is 5'3. Can you imagine someone that is 5'3 and 235lbs?
No I don't look at my disadvantages but he was saying he can bench 225lbs at a bodyweight of 140lbs and neglected to mention his height just to make a point, SO FUCKING WHAT??? HE IS 5'3.
You get me someone who is 5'3 and 235lbs and under 10% bodyfat and i'll show you a good bencher/squatter/deadlifter.
And I don't look at my height as a clutch, I love my height ... I was just showing that a shorter person has an advantage over a taller lifter when it comes to lifts. Does this mean I wanna be shoter or i'm gonna kill myself cause I don't have that advantage? Hell no, i'm gonna keep lifting harder, I was just stating that he was making a completely pointless post by saying he was 140lbs and benching 225lbs and neglecting to say he was 5'3.
-sk
spatts said:Maybe if you had been more specific, you would've only pissed off one person. lol
Seriously, I had/have no intention of putting anyone down. If you can lift the weights you say than more power to you, but I know that the first time I went to touch a bench it was 90lbs and came down to my throat after 4reps. Maybe I have piss poor genetics when it comes to my chest, but I have never seen anyone who was tall and scrawny like me put up 225lbs.
-sk
spatts said:
Never said it was impossible, just that i've never seen it. That little kid on www.ihercules.com benches 200lbs which is over 3X his bodyweight. So it's very well possible, just rare based on what I have seen.
-sk
sk*
interested to know what sort of age u are? (ball park)
how long have you been lifting consistently?
90lbs bench first time out...you should be thinking 300lbs plus easy.
for myself I will say hand on heart at bodyweight of 110lbs. I could only bench 25lbs for 10 reps when i started. put that in your one rep calc.
That was many long years ago. now i can do 220lbs. with more of a strength focused program i know 300 will go up one day.
this has been a most interesting thread ! just thought i would add my $0.02
interested to know what sort of age u are? (ball park)
how long have you been lifting consistently?
90lbs bench first time out...you should be thinking 300lbs plus easy.
for myself I will say hand on heart at bodyweight of 110lbs. I could only bench 25lbs for 10 reps when i started. put that in your one rep calc.
That was many long years ago. now i can do 220lbs. with more of a strength focused program i know 300 will go up one day.
this has been a most interesting thread ! just thought i would add my $0.02
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TheProject
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sk* said:
The first time I benched, it was the bar for reps, at 6', 176lbs.
My last comp bench was 225lbs, at about 195lbs, and I've done as high as 232 in the gym.
While both of those are shirted numbers, I have no doubt I could do 225 raw for a few reps if I really wanted to because I suck at using my shirt.
Just some fun stats to think about:
Weight: 97, Bench Press: 231.5, 2.39 x body weight (BW)
Weight: 105, Bench Press: 286.6, 2.76 x BW
Weight: 114, Bench Press: 265.7, 2.32 x BW
Weight: 123 Bench Press: 303.1, 2.51 x BW
Weight: 132, Bench Press: 358.3, 2.71 x BW
Weight: 148, Bench Press: 353.8, 2.38 x BW
Weight: 165, Bench Press: 403.4, 2.51 x BW
Weight: 181, Bench Press: 402.3, 2.21 x BW
Weight: 198, Bench Press: 390.0, 1.97 x BW
SHW Bench Press 450.0 lbs, 1.79 x BW
....and none of them over 6 foot.
Weight: 97, Bench Press: 231.5, 2.39 x body weight (BW)
Weight: 105, Bench Press: 286.6, 2.76 x BW
Weight: 114, Bench Press: 265.7, 2.32 x BW
Weight: 123 Bench Press: 303.1, 2.51 x BW
Weight: 132, Bench Press: 358.3, 2.71 x BW
Weight: 148, Bench Press: 353.8, 2.38 x BW
Weight: 165, Bench Press: 403.4, 2.51 x BW
Weight: 181, Bench Press: 402.3, 2.21 x BW
Weight: 198, Bench Press: 390.0, 1.97 x BW
SHW Bench Press 450.0 lbs, 1.79 x BW
....and none of them over 6 foot.
Numani said:
I usually don't talk about this but okay ...
I started lifting in the last 1-2months of highschool and I just finished my sophmore year in college. So i've been lifting about 2years.
I went from 183lbs to 258lbs in that time. I kept getting lean gains until I was 225ish but then took insulin and really went for bulk and got to 258lbs. Was dieting hard the last 3months and went down to 230lbs. Checked my bf this morning and showed 7% or so but I doubt I am lower than 9% and maybe as high as 11%.
My bench was 90lbs for 4, incline was like 75-85, standing military 55-65 for a few but my back got bent cause it couldn't support the weight, squatted 225lbs for a few reps (now I realize that my form sucked and all I did was probably bent my knees), never did deads back then.
Now days, I don't do flat bench anymore but incline is 225 for 6 maybe, seated front military is (I actually tried to maxout, which I almost never do) 245 for 2 and only bring down slightly below parallel, seated behind neck military is 185lbs for 8-10, squats I usually do 225lbs and ass to ground for 12reps or so, deads are weak since I only recently got the form right but I can do 3plates for 1 or 2.
Never missed a workout, had a diet I followed after 4months of training and still do. 5-8meals a day depending on season and goals to bulk or cut, and I only rarely cheat on my diet ... like on special occasions or if I take my gf out to a chinese restaurant.
I wasn't "natural" though, as I saw it pointless to be if my goal was size and this would be the fastest and most efficient way to do so.
That being said, I started bulking about 2 weeks ago and all my lifts are PR's. I use dc's training method so basically my first lift is 8reps, I go up at least 5lbs per week on compound movements.
-sk
TheOak84 said:
for sure they are... hey, who else thinks this guy sounds like Debaser... a hater..
Hater? Now I am seriously getting very upset.
You are 5'3 140lbs and bench 225lbs, that's perfectly cool man but that went nothing against what I said so, therefore, your post was complete and utter nonsence and didn't contribute one way or another to give evidence in either side of the story.
Okay?
-sk
Re: Re: Just some fun stats to think about:
Are you saying you don't think you can do that?
Why does it matter how many people can do it...you're only one. Be one that can. Your mentality is foreign to me (and I don't mean that harshly, I simply can't relate).
sk* said:
Are you saying you don't think you can do that?
Why does it matter how many people can do it...you're only one. Be one that can. Your mentality is foreign to me (and I don't mean that harshly, I simply can't relate).
sk* said:
Hater? Now I am seriously getting very upset.
You are 5'3 140lbs and bench 225lbs, that's perfectly cool man but that went nothing against what I said so, therefore, your post was complete and utter nonsence and didn't contribute one way or another to give evidence in either side of the story.
Okay?
-sk
no, actually that was when i was a sophmore... now im 18 i weigh 172 and bench 365...
sk* said:
Bro here is another example of why you are pissing me off specifically. This thread is littered with some of the most ignorant, unenlightened, whiny shit I have ever seen. Go read the bench press sticky by Arioch on the Power Lifting board until you have it memorized. Then come back to this thread and realize what an ass you have made of yourself by calling bullshit on others bp numbers when you yourself know nothing about the proper execution of a bp.
gettinlarger
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IronLion said:
I'd have to agree with IronLion here. With the proper training regimen, you can make your bench skyrocket. I jumped my max 40 lbs within a few months with needsize's 5x5, for example.
blinddeafmute
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SK, I am 6'3", weigh 171 lbs, and bench 145 for 10 reps. Nothing to brag about (at least in my book).
I have a younger brother, who is 6'2" and weighs almost 180 lbs. He cant bp 120 lbs for 3 reps. When i started out in January, I was benchin 95 lbs for 10 reps.
Now if you saw my bro and I, you would think we were twins. I dont think genetics plays a role in this scenerio. If you look at his chest and tri's compared to mine, you would see why. If you look at his bi's compared to mine, his are much larger. DId I mention that I would guess his bf to be around 4-5% and mine is between 10-13%?
I dont think you can compare your very first lift to someone of the same height and weight that has lifted for a good while. There are too many other factors like spats has mentioned like recruitment. A muscle that is never used, might have size, but it is nothing compared to someone that actually uses that muscle.
On the other hand, you are right, according to physics, the shorter arm has the advantage, but its only one factor of many.
I have a younger brother, who is 6'2" and weighs almost 180 lbs. He cant bp 120 lbs for 3 reps. When i started out in January, I was benchin 95 lbs for 10 reps.
Now if you saw my bro and I, you would think we were twins. I dont think genetics plays a role in this scenerio. If you look at his chest and tri's compared to mine, you would see why. If you look at his bi's compared to mine, his are much larger. DId I mention that I would guess his bf to be around 4-5% and mine is between 10-13%?
I dont think you can compare your very first lift to someone of the same height and weight that has lifted for a good while. There are too many other factors like spats has mentioned like recruitment. A muscle that is never used, might have size, but it is nothing compared to someone that actually uses that muscle.
On the other hand, you are right, according to physics, the shorter arm has the advantage, but its only one factor of many.
Re: Re: Re: Just some fun stats to think about:
I definetely think I will reach and break every single one of those lifts but I won't be 140lbs when I do it.
blinddeafmute,
I agree, genetics isn't the only factor. There are many other things, which I am sure we don't know of ...
IronLion,
I read the sticky the first week it was made a sticky. I still don't know how I made an ass out of myself.
-sk
spatts said:
I definetely think I will reach and break every single one of those lifts but I won't be 140lbs when I do it.
blinddeafmute,
I agree, genetics isn't the only factor. There are many other things, which I am sure we don't know of ...
IronLion,
I read the sticky the first week it was made a sticky. I still don't know how I made an ass out of myself.
-sk
IronLion said:
Okay, these are the points I was trying to make:
1. First I got upset because some of the lifts mentioned appeared to be too high for their bodyweights. I compared this to my lifts and other people that I may have seen in the gym. No I don't stick my nose in everyones' lifts but if a 100pound guy puts on 3plates my head will turn that way.
2. I think people start at "some" level of strength and that level can vary. I believe with most people it won't vary by a great amount but there are certain exceptions that will come into the gym the first time and put on a lot of weight on the bar and not break a sweat.
3. Everyone can increase their lifts by following a simple program and a good diet and sleep regime. Everyone has the ability to set a new PR every week while "bulking" but their PR's wont be 100lbs more than the previous week MEANING if everything is done right most people will gain strength and size at the same rate. There are other small factors on how well you will recover from lifts, but I have yet to hear someone adding 20lbs on bench for the 6-8rep max every week straight for two years.
Can you please tell me which part you don't agree with? Oh yea and why I am so "ignorant, unenlightened, [and] whiny."
-sk
sk* said:
sk*
looking at the three points you made.
1) everyone is different. people at the same weights and height can have vastly different lifts. you have been training 2-3yrs(approx). what about the guys on this board who have done it three times as long as that. They may be the same weight. The could have dragged themselves up from a lot lower. They have the ability recruit muscle fibers to lift heavier weights than those individuals who are really beginners.
2) there are huge differences in starting strength. my kid bro was benching 110lbs for 15reps on day one at 16...i did 25lbs...no lie...did it worry me....no...he reached all my weights that took years inside 8months.
3) people gain at different rates. size and strength. its amazing the various levels of effort/diet/rest that some people can gain off and others standstill.
anyway. keep lifting hard
peace
spatts said:I said I knew you could do because you have an advantage over every lifter that I listed.
Since when is encouragement patronizing?
What's the advantage I have? Since you really don't know me or those lifters I would think it would be very hard for you to determine who has an advantage over who. So all I got out of your post is you being sarcastic for whatever reason.
Now I just have this sick feeling inside my stomach and honestly haven't been this hurt in a while.
I'm not gonna post on this thread again, you guys keep posting your lifts ...
-sk
sk* said:
Like your "faded 6-pack" makes any fucking difference in how much you squat. Like your little quads have anything to do with how much you squat. Go read the squat sticky if you still think your lbm/quad circumference has anything to do with your squat. This is ignorant b/c it shows you have no clue what muscles increase what lift.
Just like this:
sk* said:
Your chest 'genetics' have nothing to do with how much you bench press, hence the referral you got to the bp sticky but of course you know all that already because:
sk* said:
Constntly you have been a stubborn ass telling everyone that you don't belive their numbers because you don't see the "big" guys at your college gym lifting as much. I lifted in my college gym when the athletic weight room was closed. I saw the "big" guys you are talking about and they were week as shit. Just because some frat boy runs a shitload of gear and does the beach workout doesn't mean you should consider him a representative sample of the people that are posting on this board. Go watch the football team workout, or the throwers, or the wrestlers. Then come tell us how a guy that is 6'3'' and 185 can't bench 235 on average. That is an average bench press for an athlete that size. Just because you started out weak doesn't mean that everyone at the size you were at when you started is at the same strength level. This is another way you show your ignorance and inexperience: you run your mouth about how you think everyone is full of shit, but you don't know the first thing about strength training...you think everything has to do with hypertrophy. You refuse to listen to spatts and hannibal and others that are saying things that should open your mind, but that is probably your biggest mistake.
And just because you add some fucking disclaimer like:
doesn't mean that the people you just called liars aren't going to take it personally so just to illustrate my point I will say that none of this was meant as an attack on you, it is simply said in hopes that you use it to edify yourself instead of finding a way around it so you can still be right. In other words if you want to speak then learn to listen. Have a nice day
Mike_Rojas
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Well they have shorter arms then him, SO THERE!
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