Would you say Clean and press is the complete shoulder movement?

[scotty too hotty]

Cleans are good for shoulders, but I don't think they hit the side delts at all. Front delts get hit with bench press, incline press, military press, dumbell presses, ect. Lateral raises are the only thing that will make your side delts grow, and without side delts you'll look narrow.

 

[moya]

i vote for complete...
my delts are my best of the "small muscles" (out of tris, bis, calves forearms)... and i havent done any regular isolation work for a couple years now... i personally have to disagree with the above post...

 

[burnthiscorpse]

it certainly hits my side delts. The only other shoulder movement i do is side raises though.
If your doing the "press" part of the cleans then your side delts should be getting hit.

 

[NewestNoobie]

I might start doing this, my shoulders are my weakest muscles, which is further complicated by having thick neck and large traps for my build.

Any suggestions for rear delts? When i bent over raises i have the problem of lightweights = not enough stress on positive motion of the exercises and heavy weights = too much weight to control the movement on the negative portion. I know Ive got bad technique but after I doubt at this point its gonna get much better.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

i never train rear delts. between clean and press and real heavy bent over BB rows, and rack pulls there is no need.

 

[NewestNoobie]

Rack pulls?

 

[ExtraMile]

Cleans are good for shoulders, but I don't think they hit the side delts at all. Front delts get hit with bench press, incline press, military press, dumbell presses, ect. Lateral raises are the only thing that will make your side delts grow, and without side delts you'll look narrow.

bro that is BS. Its a fact that yuo cant isolate any one part of any muscle, meaning doing overhead pressing hits all 3 delt heads. Yes exercises put more focus on one part than another but saying that military press, dumbell press and clean and press dont hit side delts is wrong. Side delts are the biggest of the 3 heads so dont you think your body would need to recuit them to put big weights? Besides, dumbell presses hit the side delts hard because you dont have to bring the bar forward past your face, same with behind neck press.

and saying lateral raises are the only thing that will make them grow it kinda dumb, For most people heavy compound movements and lots of cals build muscle, otherwise people would do laterals as their main shoulder movement and you would see people with bulging front and rear delts and small side delts because they didnt do enough laterals and concentrated on heavy pressing and rowing...

 

[future]

For me, yes.

B-

I reluctantly agree.

 

[lookinfit75]

I reluctantly agree.

RFLOA! What would you say is a good exercise to build up the mass of the shoulders quick (not strength necessarily) and what type of routine would you recommend.

 

[scotty too hotty]

I still don't think that you could just do cleans and get big side delts. I personally don't know anyone or have reasearched/watched anyone get defined/good looking side delts without doing side lateral raises. Cleans will definetly make your shoulders gain mass, but I stick to my guns that you will still need to do side raises.