Why do you guys cheat by using steroids?

[Black Boxster]

NO NO, I think you got confused by my post.. If you're really well built i mean jacked even with steroids thats ok, but when thers guys whos 160lb and take shit loads of juice to get 210+ lb in short amount of time then thats whats bugging me, i mean why not work hard for 2+ years to get to 210lb rather than take the shortcut and get the same results in 4 month with steroids..
You got me?

Thats not what you said at all.......The reason most of us get pretty offended is we train HARD...there is no way your average joe is gonna put in the work both in the gym and out as many of the bros here on EF that have made the choice to run gear....I would tell anyone...train for a few years, put on a good 40lbs plus...get to know your body, how it reacts to both training and diet before you ever decide to use gear.....if you are on this board for any period of time we spend more time talking guys out of using gear....I have NEVER encouraged anyone to use...I run cycles...and it is MY choice.

 

[bigpokey]

run an tell THAT

 

[Unrest]

i understand where ur coming from as i use to share the same views as you

BUT

in all fairness,

who are we or you to tell a full grown man what he can and cant use? if someone wants to use steroids and they can only bench 160 pounds then he can do it if he wishes

SURE we can say u can train naturaly n get results, tell them to diet bla bla bla but inevidably a full grown man can do as he pleases

take ur friend for example went form 165 to 230 pound bench, WOW in all fairness i dont see how a 230 pound bench press is impressive, yes its a great increase, but in all reality its still pathetic,

and who has he harmed? NO ONE

in the end of the day he boosted his ego, gotten results, and thats about it

who cares if naturals or steroidd users bust there ass off in the gym more, thats there decision, not everyone wishes to bust there ass off for 3-4 years just to reach a natural physique WE THINK is allowed to take steroids,

not everyone wishes to be a powerlifter, bodybuilder, athlete, some guys just liek to look good and enjoy life, and for these guys few cycles to achieve wat they want is perfect

and why shouldnt they be allowed? becoz some guy in the gym who devotes his life to bodybuilding or training and dieting thinks he shouldnt? sounds liek plain old jealiousy to me

all these guys can do is potentialy harm themselves

i see nothing wrong with a guy who works a full time job, likes to enjoy wat he eats, go out and party and takes steroids to look good on the beach,

^^^^ theres tons of these blokes at my gym, take steroids bench 250-maybe 300, train upper body n rarely lower body, eat how they feel, meh why should this bother me?

who am I/You/we to tell them wat there doing is wrong? all we sound like i a bunch of jealious devoted steroid users

if the guy next you eats like shit and benches the same as you coz he uses steroids then who cares, if it works you up and irritates you that much then go take steroids, increase ur bench by 100 pounds and u wont suffer from ur jealiousy issues

not everyone has the genetics to achieve the same level of physique as others naturaly, or through hard work and diet, some guys genes suk that bad they probably couldbnt achieve shit

i really do find it sad wen i see jealious natural bodybuilders, or steroids users get worked up about a guy who does a simple cycle and gains some mass and enjoys his life

seriously? why not congragulate him? he did fuk all and got amazing results, lucky bastard

i fail to see how its DISRESPECTFUL?????????

exactly how is it direspectful? u can always go an use steroids and get better results then him

if u dont wanna use steroids becoz of ur own personal views and morals then thats great, but who are you to tell people theyre being DISRESPECTFUL coz they dont choose the same path as you

im sorry but i can understand how uve worked hard just like many of us,

and i dont agree with wat these guys are doing, and think maybe they should learn how to train and diet

BUT

to call people a pussy and joke coz they take steroids to get results faster and dont wish to devote theres lives to eating and training is just pathetic and the words of nothing more then a jealious gym rat

..... This!!

Well worded Bloke!
when i see guys poking fun at juicers, first thing that comes to mind is Jealousy!!
Deep down they wanna look muscular and lean!

 

[mohdgame]

If someone is juicing he is not cheating because of the simple fact that this is not a race. People have choices and they're free to what to choose. If I choosed to drink instant coffee rather than brewing my own fresh coffee, will you ask me why I choosed that? Why didnt I go the harder route and plant my own beans and ground them and brew them?

Its a choice, you can also go to the easier route and juice. No one slapped your hand and told you not to do so. Its a matter of a personal choice.

 

[bigpokey]

^^^^^ cheater alert!

 

[Deltoid_87]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

Oh shit bro, I'm sorry I didn't mean no disrespect, how rude of me. ill stop using aas as from tomorrow.

We couldn't care less about ur ridiculous opinion and how disrespectful u think we are, u'v disrespected us with this stupid post.
If ur not a pro leave the steroids alone? Do u have any idea what it takes to get there... steroids is the competition! U have to start somewhere. But we don't all want to be pro's. We all have different goals, and aas allows us to reach beyond our goals. It's about ambition. Do u wanna big and strong, or do u wanna be extraordinarily huge and freakishly strong?
Don't try telling us we'r cheaters because we'r passionate about something that makes the impossible possible. U just don't understand.

 

[EarthRider]

You're kinda right in some ways.. I think you should reach your limit to the max i mean max before taking steroids and i think 99.99% of people took it wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before they reach their limit, thats fine but its really disrespectful for natural guys when juicer take the shortcut and get the same result as natural without hard work..

Your kinda right by your one post, and nobody on this board encourages someone who is 160 lbs and doesn't know what they are doing to juice.

BUt what gets me is you saying it's disrespectful to natural guys when a juicer takes the shortcut. I don't know why you care what anybody does, are you in a competition with them or something. WHy do you even care or it even bother you what other people do. Nobody owes you respect, its earned bro. Most people, including your friend who juiced, probably care much about what you think about what they are doing. Your going to have to get over that.

Are you 15 and bored looking for something to do?

 

[Nelson Montana]

The post borders on troll-dom. It's meant to be provocative. Sure, there are guys who rely on the sauce or use it to get buffed for summer break. Whatever. I think hardcore bodybuilders do everything they can to improve and roids are a part of the equation. Used sensibly, it's almost dumb NOT to use them. But if your training sucks, you use no supplementation to enhance gains and you eat like shit, it's just a temporary compensation. That's a reality he'll have to face. But hey, if some guy wants to drink Lestoil and fuck raccoons, it's no business of mine. I just don't want to know about it.

 

[stevesmi]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. what about if you are like me and just 5 6? Maurice Jones drew is 5 7 and "JUST" 210 pounds. yet his quads are massive. .. 12% at 18 years old is one thing.. but at 35 or 40 it is harder to accomplish. i do think you should be under 15% but I am talking about guys who are 25+ years old.. not teenagers (which should not be juicing)

Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK..
235 pound bench is nothing.. he was weak to start with.. 165 pounds is WEAK. i warmup with 225 for 12X. your buddy is an idiot i agree, but he has no base and will lose everything after when he reverts back to his crappy lifestyle choices.

If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that????
thats completely false. 85% of roid users in the US are prototypical gym rats. just 15% are athletes (pro bodybuilders and powerlifters should count as athletes).. we are just gym rats who use roids to excell ourselves to another level.

Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

and I commend you at 22 for not juicing.. i waited until i was 29. didn't even think about juicing until then. and if you keep working hard when you get older and decide to juice you will be like me and already have a nice base and core and you will KEEP your gains after much easier then guys who jump on at 17.

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

i didn't but others on here will take exception to your post, however opinions are always welcome on here and there is no place for flaming on here.. just tone it down a bit, really cannot call people pussies on here.. maybe edit your post.. thanks

in bold

 

[Messor]

I think the OP started off as a troll, but a few posts later has tried to come off as somewhat serious. I didn't do my first SD cycle until I was 45 and had been training on and off naturally for many years. I'm not one to judge a 21 year old who wants to do his first cycle. He's a young adult and can make his own decisions. I would advise that they don't start if they only weigh 160 lbs and haven't given a legitimate effort to gain 20-30 LBS naturally first. I think most people who claim to be hard gainers are full of shit. But ultimately it's their decision, not mine. I'm not here to be anyone's mother-hen.