Why do you guys cheat by using steroids?

[SolarEmpire44]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

 

[EarthRider]

I think this is silly. If guys choose to use the sauce and done there research, let it be. This sounds like a pride thing for you. Your upset because guys are benching more then you because they used some sauce, who has time to give a shit about what others are benching? LOL, just kinda messing with you. If bros want to juice, let it be, why should I care what they do.

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

 

[wcjcMr.O]

yes ALOT of people are lookin for an easy way out, that being said.........stupid post. congratulations your 207 and dont have any abs at 14% bf. good for you for not taking anything. lmao

 

[jmat2407]

 

[bluetoolpaul]

doh!

 

[DaBangEm]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

Man, somebody remind why I track everything I eat, don't get fucked up when my friends go out, track my protein, carb, micros, and work harder in the gym than any other person I see in there? When all I had to do was needle up? Well I'm busting out the lawn chair and just gonna roll out these last 8 weeks of cycle. You don't want anyone to take this the wrong way. So what way did you think it was gonna come off? When you smoke weed did you cheat your good time? You should have just stuck with alcohol to have a good time. Leave the drugs to Def Leopard and other rock bands. They are professionals. You sound like a douche.

 

[Black Boxster]

Yeah... We have some dumb kids at my gym that juice... Get "some" results... But being 47 and have "juiced" on and off for several years I'm offended by your statement.
It is NOT a easy way... Every person I know that uses gear is 100% dedicated.... Tracks diet, workouts, macro and micro nutrients.....

If it was "easy" this board would be filled with Arnold look a likes! I respect the natural bodybuilder ... But don't judge me or any of my good bros on this board if we Make the educated choice to use gear.

 

[DaBangEm]

Yeah... We have some dumb kids at my gym that juice... Get "some" results... But being 47 and have "juiced" on and off for several years I'm offended by your statement.
It is NOT a easy way... Every person I know that uses gear is 100% dedicated.... Tracks diet, workouts, macro and micro nutrients.....

If it was "easy" this board would be filled with Arnold look a likes! I respect the natural bodybuilder ... But don't judge me or any of my good bros on this board if we Make the educated choice to use gear.

No shit bro. Nicely put. I just re-read his thread and he said his buddy was only going to the gym 3-4 times a week cause he was too busy selling drugs. Only 3-4 times? Not much less than I go. I guess if you want to really work we have to go 7 days a week.

 

[SolarEmpire44]

Well i could have abs, 30lb heavier and 100lb on my bench press if i were to take the easy way out

 

[Fatboy1984]

You start the post out with, "I Think". Sorry man. I dont think anyone gave a fuck bout what you thought here. We arent on your all natty forums telling you, "We Think you should juice". Get a life. And have fun competing against the others on your lower level.

 

[SolarEmpire44]

You start the post out with, "I Think". Sorry man. I dont think anyone gave a fuck bout what you thought here. We arent on your all natty forums telling you, "We Think you should juice". Get a life. And have fun competing against the others on your lower level.

I just looked at your avatar and you must be a gay lonely virgin man.. lol

 

[shibs]

bant in 3...2....

 

[DaBangEm]

I just looked at your avatar and you must be a gay lonely virgin man.. lol

Why are you on these boards again? I mean I felt sorry for your buddy and the spot he has you in but now I think it's really just you. If you take an easy way out then you will see no lasting results. But everybody here that I know is looking for a way to break a new plateau or reach a goal that can't be reached "naturally" don't judge and say we are cheating. I'm long ways out of high school and give two shits what I bench or what some other dick in the gym benches. Who am I cheating? Who is your friend cheating? Do yourself a favor and find somewhere else to rant about this type of shit cause no one here could give two shits about you or what you think.

 

[Unrest]

You start the post out with, "I Think". Sorry man. I dont think anyone gave a fuck bout what you thought here. We arent on your all natty forums telling you, "We Think you should juice". Get a life. And have fun competing against the others on your lower level.

Ahmen! Anyone who has enough free time to post this rubbish needs a life!

 

[Big A]

Wow, im sorry, but it think you just sound like a douchebag, worry about yourself and others will worry about themselves, no one gives a fuck what you think, especially none of us on this board, it was unnecessary for you come on here and try an judge us or whatever your trying to do.

 

[Unrest]

Shouldnt even bother replying to this nonsense, hes obviosly looking for a negative reaction posting that shit in the aas board! dont give him any satisfaction! BAN!

 

[SolarEmpire44]

Why are you on these boards again? I mean I felt sorry for your buddy and the spot he has you in but now I think it's really just you. If you take an easy way out then you will see no lasting results. But everybody here that I know is looking for a way to break a new plateau or reach a goal that can't be reached "naturally" don't judge and say we are cheating. I'm long ways out of high school and give two shits what I bench or what some other dick in the gym benches. Who am I cheating? Who is your friend cheating? Do yourself a favor and find somewhere else to rant about this type of shit cause no one here could give two shits about you or what you think.

NO NO, I think you got confused by my post.. If you're really well built i mean jacked even with steroids thats ok, but when thers guys whos 160lb and take shit loads of juice to get 210+ lb in short amount of time then thats whats bugging me, i mean why not work hard for 2+ years to get to 210lb rather than take the shortcut and get the same results in 4 month with steroids..
You got me?

 

[Big A]

well thats not what you said in the first place, most of us on here think you need years of prior training experience, know about diet, rest etc, and then take it to the next level with gear. If you read posts on here you would see us telling and advising these "guys" to wait to gear up and gain weight naturally before taking the plunge.

 

[SolarEmpire44]

well thats not what you said in the first place, most of us on here think you need years of prior training experience, know about diet, rest etc, and then take it to the next level with gear. If you read posts on here you would see us telling and advising these "guys" to wait to gear up and gain weight naturally before taking the plunge.

You're kinda right in some ways.. I think you should reach your limit to the max i mean max before taking steroids and i think 99.99% of people took it wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before they reach their limit, thats fine but its really disrespectful for natural guys when juicer take the shortcut and get the same result as natural without hard work..

 

[Fatboy1984]

I just looked at your avatar and you must be a gay lonely virgin man.. lol

Yup.. You got me. You called it

 

[Black Boxster]

NO NO, I think you got confused by my post.. If you're really well built i mean jacked even with steroids thats ok, but when thers guys whos 160lb and take shit loads of juice to get 210+ lb in short amount of time then thats whats bugging me, i mean why not work hard for 2+ years to get to 210lb rather than take the shortcut and get the same results in 4 month with steroids..
You got me?

Thats not what you said at all.......The reason most of us get pretty offended is we train HARD...there is no way your average joe is gonna put in the work both in the gym and out as many of the bros here on EF that have made the choice to run gear....I would tell anyone...train for a few years, put on a good 40lbs plus...get to know your body, how it reacts to both training and diet before you ever decide to use gear.....if you are on this board for any period of time we spend more time talking guys out of using gear....I have NEVER encouraged anyone to use...I run cycles...and it is MY choice.

 

[bigpokey]

run an tell THAT

 

[Unrest]

i understand where ur coming from as i use to share the same views as you

BUT

in all fairness,

who are we or you to tell a full grown man what he can and cant use? if someone wants to use steroids and they can only bench 160 pounds then he can do it if he wishes

SURE we can say u can train naturaly n get results, tell them to diet bla bla bla but inevidably a full grown man can do as he pleases

take ur friend for example went form 165 to 230 pound bench, WOW in all fairness i dont see how a 230 pound bench press is impressive, yes its a great increase, but in all reality its still pathetic,

and who has he harmed? NO ONE

in the end of the day he boosted his ego, gotten results, and thats about it

who cares if naturals or steroidd users bust there ass off in the gym more, thats there decision, not everyone wishes to bust there ass off for 3-4 years just to reach a natural physique WE THINK is allowed to take steroids,

not everyone wishes to be a powerlifter, bodybuilder, athlete, some guys just liek to look good and enjoy life, and for these guys few cycles to achieve wat they want is perfect

and why shouldnt they be allowed? becoz some guy in the gym who devotes his life to bodybuilding or training and dieting thinks he shouldnt? sounds liek plain old jealiousy to me

all these guys can do is potentialy harm themselves

i see nothing wrong with a guy who works a full time job, likes to enjoy wat he eats, go out and party and takes steroids to look good on the beach,

^^^^ theres tons of these blokes at my gym, take steroids bench 250-maybe 300, train upper body n rarely lower body, eat how they feel, meh why should this bother me?

who am I/You/we to tell them wat there doing is wrong? all we sound like i a bunch of jealious devoted steroid users

if the guy next you eats like shit and benches the same as you coz he uses steroids then who cares, if it works you up and irritates you that much then go take steroids, increase ur bench by 100 pounds and u wont suffer from ur jealiousy issues

not everyone has the genetics to achieve the same level of physique as others naturaly, or through hard work and diet, some guys genes suk that bad they probably couldbnt achieve shit

i really do find it sad wen i see jealious natural bodybuilders, or steroids users get worked up about a guy who does a simple cycle and gains some mass and enjoys his life

seriously? why not congragulate him? he did fuk all and got amazing results, lucky bastard

i fail to see how its DISRESPECTFUL?????????

exactly how is it direspectful? u can always go an use steroids and get better results then him

if u dont wanna use steroids becoz of ur own personal views and morals then thats great, but who are you to tell people theyre being DISRESPECTFUL coz they dont choose the same path as you

im sorry but i can understand how uve worked hard just like many of us,

and i dont agree with wat these guys are doing, and think maybe they should learn how to train and diet

BUT

to call people a pussy and joke coz they take steroids to get results faster and dont wish to devote theres lives to eating and training is just pathetic and the words of nothing more then a jealious gym rat

..... This!!

Well worded Bloke!
when i see guys poking fun at juicers, first thing that comes to mind is Jealousy!!
Deep down they wanna look muscular and lean!

 

[mohdgame]

If someone is juicing he is not cheating because of the simple fact that this is not a race. People have choices and they're free to what to choose. If I choosed to drink instant coffee rather than brewing my own fresh coffee, will you ask me why I choosed that? Why didnt I go the harder route and plant my own beans and ground them and brew them?

Its a choice, you can also go to the easier route and juice. No one slapped your hand and told you not to do so. Its a matter of a personal choice.

 

[bigpokey]

^^^^^ cheater alert!

 

[Deltoid_87]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

Oh shit bro, I'm sorry I didn't mean no disrespect, how rude of me. ill stop using aas as from tomorrow.

We couldn't care less about ur ridiculous opinion and how disrespectful u think we are, u'v disrespected us with this stupid post.
If ur not a pro leave the steroids alone? Do u have any idea what it takes to get there... steroids is the competition! U have to start somewhere. But we don't all want to be pro's. We all have different goals, and aas allows us to reach beyond our goals. It's about ambition. Do u wanna big and strong, or do u wanna be extraordinarily huge and freakishly strong?
Don't try telling us we'r cheaters because we'r passionate about something that makes the impossible possible. U just don't understand.

 

[EarthRider]

You're kinda right in some ways.. I think you should reach your limit to the max i mean max before taking steroids and i think 99.99% of people took it wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before they reach their limit, thats fine but its really disrespectful for natural guys when juicer take the shortcut and get the same result as natural without hard work..

Your kinda right by your one post, and nobody on this board encourages someone who is 160 lbs and doesn't know what they are doing to juice.

BUt what gets me is you saying it's disrespectful to natural guys when a juicer takes the shortcut. I don't know why you care what anybody does, are you in a competition with them or something. WHy do you even care or it even bother you what other people do. Nobody owes you respect, its earned bro. Most people, including your friend who juiced, probably care much about what you think about what they are doing. Your going to have to get over that.

Are you 15 and bored looking for something to do?

 

[Nelson Montana]

The post borders on troll-dom. It's meant to be provocative. Sure, there are guys who rely on the sauce or use it to get buffed for summer break. Whatever. I think hardcore bodybuilders do everything they can to improve and roids are a part of the equation. Used sensibly, it's almost dumb NOT to use them. But if your training sucks, you use no supplementation to enhance gains and you eat like shit, it's just a temporary compensation. That's a reality he'll have to face. But hey, if some guy wants to drink Lestoil and fuck raccoons, it's no business of mine. I just don't want to know about it.

 

[stevesmi]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. what about if you are like me and just 5 6? Maurice Jones drew is 5 7 and "JUST" 210 pounds. yet his quads are massive. .. 12% at 18 years old is one thing.. but at 35 or 40 it is harder to accomplish. i do think you should be under 15% but I am talking about guys who are 25+ years old.. not teenagers (which should not be juicing)

Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK..
235 pound bench is nothing.. he was weak to start with.. 165 pounds is WEAK. i warmup with 225 for 12X. your buddy is an idiot i agree, but he has no base and will lose everything after when he reverts back to his crappy lifestyle choices.

If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that????
thats completely false. 85% of roid users in the US are prototypical gym rats. just 15% are athletes (pro bodybuilders and powerlifters should count as athletes).. we are just gym rats who use roids to excell ourselves to another level.

Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

and I commend you at 22 for not juicing.. i waited until i was 29. didn't even think about juicing until then. and if you keep working hard when you get older and decide to juice you will be like me and already have a nice base and core and you will KEEP your gains after much easier then guys who jump on at 17.

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

i didn't but others on here will take exception to your post, however opinions are always welcome on here and there is no place for flaming on here.. just tone it down a bit, really cannot call people pussies on here.. maybe edit your post.. thanks

in bold

 

[Messor]

I think the OP started off as a troll, but a few posts later has tried to come off as somewhat serious. I didn't do my first SD cycle until I was 45 and had been training on and off naturally for many years. I'm not one to judge a 21 year old who wants to do his first cycle. He's a young adult and can make his own decisions. I would advise that they don't start if they only weigh 160 lbs and haven't given a legitimate effort to gain 20-30 LBS naturally first. I think most people who claim to be hard gainers are full of shit. But ultimately it's their decision, not mine. I'm not here to be anyone's mother-hen.

 

[Strongbow]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

lololololololololololol really GTFO. This can't be a serious post. Also lolz @ very clean eating and hanging in there @ 14% BF.

 

[bgbay]

Your a fool. cheat at what? I can see if people are taking something to get an edge at a sport, but to put on more mass, feel better about yourself, wtf are you cheating?

sounds like you are jealous of somebody bud

 

[Strongbow]

Your a fool. cheat at what? I can see if people are taking something to get an edge at a sport, but to put on more mass, feel better about yourself, wtf are you cheating?

sounds like you are jealous of somebody bud

Yea this sounds like a case of my buddy can buy joose and I can't cause he deals drugs and I live in my mom's basement.

 

[viczeva]

You're kinda right in some ways.. I think you should reach your limit to the max i mean max before taking steroids and i think 99.99% of people took it wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before they reach their limit, thats fine but its really disrespectful for natural guys when juicer take the shortcut and get the same result as natural without hard work..

Is it very disrespectful, i totally agree. Which is why I plan on asking every single person at my gym, if they would be offended at my necessity to cheat. Hopefully i can get everybody to be ok with MY choice, and not have to worry about people judging me. You my friend, are going places.

 

[Pelton54]

Dammit I feel like a complete asshole for starting my first cycle and cheating now.... Especially cause I'm not 220 and under 12% I'm probably going to he'll aren't I?

 

[stevesmi]

well I will say if taking steroids made everyone look like Jay Cutler, made everyone hit 100 home runs, and made everyone score 10TD's then your rant would have much more validity.

but it doesn't. your friend who can bench a pathetic 235 will be back to benching 180 when he comes off cycle and stops working out.

it is the people who build a base and core first, then cycle on and off and keep killing it in the gym 4-5X per week that build strength and mass consistently.

 

[jmat2407]

I'd like to thank everyone for attending this conference today.

It is time fore me to come forward and tell the truth. Im sry, mom, dad, friends, and the entire bodybuilding community. I have let you all down....

I took steroids. I am a cheater.



"Gasp"

 

[samc]

I'm sorry but from how your complaining about taking the shortcut and all that bollocks ur writing, why dont you just have pride in what your doing? Why do you give a fuck about someone else's decision..? your posts make my iq fall rapidly..

 

[Pelton54]

I just think it's funny how guys that don't do the research have this false thought that steroids make you strong....sorry to break it to you but I know some guys that look like white hulks that walk into my gym and can barely bench 250......they don't give you strength, they are not a magic pill you have to put in the work to make your body strong and keep your gains

 

[kx250rider]

It's not the easy way out when you've worked hard to build mass for 25 years, and you still work hard on a daily basis to do so, and your body fails to metabolize proteins correctly. If I'm cheating, then lawyers cheat by taking their 3rd year of law school, "just to make it easier to pass the bar exam". While I agree with you on some of your points, you cannot make an across-the-board judgment of all bodybuilders.

Charles

 

[lincolnsvo]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

LOL...Who would post something like that...on this forum?

Why don't you walk into a biker bar and announce that people who drink are fucking pussies, taking a short cut to enjoy themselves.
Then let us know what kind of reception you got.

 

[-SD-]

Well i could have abs, 30lb heavier and 100lb on my bench press if i were to take the easy way out

Yea and I could have won the lottery if I only picked the right numbers.

coulda, woulda, shoulda

 

[mexico2509]

dude take your little bitch fest somewhere else. im sure there is a natural bored somewhere that would be more than receptive to your crying. Give us a fuckin break and do us a favor and STFU on here. most of the guys on this site have put in more years doing this shit than you have even been alive. and if you think it makes is SO easy to use gear ur obviosly low on the IQ scale. good for you for doing it natural but dont judge me because i hit my "max" at 27 then hit gear to go beyond...

 

[C0LUMB0]

The post borders on troll-dom. It's meant to be provocative. Sure, there are guys who rely on the sauce or use it to get buffed for summer break. Whatever. I think hardcore bodybuilders do everything they can to improve and roids are a part of the equation. Used sensibly, it's almost dumb NOT to use them. But if your training sucks, you use no supplementation to enhance gains and you eat like shit, it's just a temporary compensation. That's a reality he'll have to face. But hey, if some guy wants to drink Lestoil and fuck raccoons, it's no business of mine. I just don't want to know about it.

Don't knock it till u've tried it Nelson.

 

[Jaxtwo1]

I will never find a group of guys more decdicated, honest, goal-driven, more giving, and loyal than those I know that lift. They are the farthest thing from cheaters and lazy and are always there when Im in a world of hurt. Although OP may have some true statements in his stereotypical assesment, I assure you he does not talk about/for me or my friends.

 

[SolarEmpire44]

I agree with Thatbloke and stevesmi post.
Sorry to everyone if my post was harsh, i did not mean it towards you guys but people who dont want to put in the work and are looking for shortcut to get the same result as natural rapidly..
Again Im sorry..
I myself probably gonna take some juice when i hit 220 lb 13%bf at 5'8.. lol. But for now you skinny guys need to leave the sauce alone..

 

[C0LUMB0]

I agree with Thatbloke and stevesmi post.
Sorry to everyone if my post was harsh, i did not mean it towards you guys but people who dont want to put in the work and are looking for shortcut to get the same result as natural rapidly..
Again Im sorry..
I myself probably gonna take some juice when i hit 220 lb 13%bf at 5'8.. lol. But for now you skinny guys need to leave the sauce alone..

Bad choice for a first thread my friend , you are lucky not to get bant for border-line trolling.

Consider making your future posts more constructive.

 

[Ezekiel]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

Not cheating is only cheating yourself!

 

[The Instrumentalist]

hahaha this is a funny thread.

 

[Strongbow]

I agree with Thatbloke and stevesmi post.
Sorry to everyone if my post was harsh, i did not mean it towards you guys but people who dont want to put in the work and are looking for shortcut to get the same result as natural rapidly..
Again Im sorry..
I myself probably gonna take some juice when i hit 220 lb 13%bf at 5'8.. lol. But for now you skinny guys need to leave the sauce alone..

Don't dangle raw meat in front of lions, boy. If you get eat you only have yourself to blame. As Columbo said, really awful idea for your first thread, and having zero experience with teh joose gives you zero right to open your mouth about it. Really bad idea coming on a joose board throwing out opinions like this bro. Everybody deserves a second chance thou. So start fresh and cut out this crap.

 

[Shaitan]

Its not cheating if you aren't competing, and if you are competing against others that take roids I wouldn't call that cheating either. There is a difference in cheating and taking shortcuts.

 

[bren565]

i had fun reading it.

 

[SolarEmpire44]

Why do i have a bomb ready to xplode under my username, whats this

 

[Strongbow]

Why do i have a bomb ready to xplode under my username, whats this

lololololol you got red K'd brah, you promise you won't make no more threads like this and Ill get you out the red. Deal?

 

[Raw22]

well kid I do steroids and I'm 217lbs at 6'3''. I'm a navy seal and I think you are a pussy if you are not a navy seal lol you wouldn't even last a day with the trainings we do

 

[SolarEmpire44]

lololololol you got red K'd brah, you promise you won't make no more threads like this and Ill get you out the red. Deal?

No deal because you're a fuking cheater by using steroids, natural or die PUSSY..

jk.. lol DEAL alright.....

 

[Strongbow]

No deal because you're a fuking cheater by using steroids, natural or die PUSSY..

jk.. lol DEAL alright.....

Ok kidd deal, and FYI you don't do roids cause your scared of needles, admitt it you pussy. LOLZ, Ima unred yo ass for now.

 

[Arabian]

That's enough guys! Let's end this thread on a positive note as Strongbow suggested!

 

[DaBangEm]

Ok kidd deal, and FYI you don't do roids cause your scared of needles, admitt it you pussy. LOLZ, Ima unred yo ass for now.

Strongbow, you are like Jesus man. Way to turn that kids shit fest into a teachable moment. Now you hold him down while I jam a needle in his ass.

 

[DaBangEm]

That's enough guys! Let's end this thread on a positive note as Strongbow suggested!

Sorry Arabian, I was typing mine before you put that up. I'll leave it alone. On a positive.

 

[bren565]

positive note,

ef has a new member.

and he has rightfully earned RED karma.

but hes willing to learn and let everyone elses decisions remain their own?

 

[Strongbow]

Strongbow, you are like Jesus man. Way to turn that kids shit fest into a teachable moment. Now you hold him down while I jam a needle in his ass.

I have been called The Chosen One many times over.

 

[Strongbow]

My new buddy has learned from his mistake, so let's welcome him in and make his transition to THE DARK SIDE as easy as possible, we all know why he came LOLZ. Dude is good bro, he has apologized for offending you joose heads so let's K him up a lil. I can't hit him for a min, Arabian get my new buddy out the red please. TYIA

 

[liffalot]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

1. See what your boy is like 2 months after he finishes his cycle. He will deflate, his body will aromatize, and the only thing he will have gaines is a pair of bigass titties.

2. To be perfectly honest with you, it is not easy to put on muscle on or off juice. It doesn't say anything about their work ethic.

3. Just because you are 207 lbs at 14% body fat and your frame may be able to naturally support 225 lbs doesnt say anything about anybody elses frame and what weight they are able to attain naturally. Everyone's body is unique.

4. Saying that "steroids are dangerous and you all shouldn't do them" makes you sound like a 7th grader who thinks he knows something about juice because his biology textbook tells him roids=bad. The first thing I have to say about that is that at reasonable doses and with proper post cycle therapy, you can still make abnormal gains with little effect on your body. The real danger comes with ABUSE, not USE. Second, even if steroids were black tar heroin, which it sounds like they are comparable to you, why do you give a shit if someone is doing something harmful to themself? Mind your own goddamn business.

5. You are targeting recreational steroid users? Really? Of all the people you could target that are on some sort of AAS, you chose recreational users? Nobody is competing with you. Nobody cares about your gains and how you do it. So stop caring about theirs. Why do you give a shit if the guy next to you looks like Ronny Coleman and can do 3x as much weight as you? You're not going to see him competing against you in anything.

6. And last but not least, if you are upset because people look better than you, then train harder. You have body fat to spare, muscle to gain, and you can do it without AAS, so quit bitching.

And for the record, I've never juiced either. So you're not getting Marius Pudjinowski's opinion here, you're getting it from someone just like yourself.

 

[ceo]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

Ignoring everything else, I'll just ask this...Why do you let it bother you? Who cares if another guy in the gym is taking steroids? Who cares what anyone else does as long as it doesn't hurt you? Are you in competition with everyone else? If you are, you should let them in on it because I doubt they know.

Crying about it like a bitch won't change anyone's mind or actions.

 

[-SD-]

Im jealous of cocaine users because they seem to have so much more fun than me

 

[Strongbow]

Im jealous of cocaine users because they seem to have so much more fun than me

I'm jelous of your jacket.

 

[Arabian]

My new buddy has learned from his mistake, so let's welcome him in and make his transition to THE DARK SIDE as easy as possible, we all know why he came LOLZ. Dude is good bro, he has apologized for offending you joose heads so let's K him up a lil. I can't hit him for a min, Arabian get my new buddy out the red please. TYIA

Our new friend is GREENE again!

 

[liffalot]

Our new friend is GREENE again!

Happy fucking day....

lol

 

[Strongbow]

Our new friend is GREENE again!

Thanks buddy I owe you one.

 

[SolarEmpire44]

Thanks guys, now im filling fresh..
No more stupid post in AAS forum lol.
Im out,,...

 

[conundrum]

I lift things up I put them down...

 

[EarthRider]

Not cheating is only cheating yourself!

this, lol

 

[Lancer55]

Not everyone can get to 220 eating clean naturally genetics has a big part in it don't care what anyone says. Maybe after 20 years when your metabolism slows down....
Also not everyone wants to be 220lbs even if they had a very low BF with it.

 

[gwr15]

Fuck it everybody juice!

 

[weatus]

What are we cheating in mate?

 

[bluetoolpaul]

What a great thread. Somebody comes in, insults everyone, gets flamed, apologizes, gets welcomed back by the board after wards, even has fucking raccoons mentioned in there.... Is there any wonder why EF is my favorite place?

 

[RADAR]

all you have to do is click on my profile to find the answer to your question .

 

[EarthRider]

What a great thread. Somebody comes in, insults everyone, gets flamed, apologizes, gets welcomed back by the board after wards, even has fucking raccoons mentioned in there.... Is there any wonder why EF is my favorite place?

lol, great point. And they say guys who juice have roid rage

 

[DJ_UFO]

This has been debated for years. However, bottom line muscle is muscle. How you create it, is your problem. There is no such thing as cheating. With or without steroids, real muscle needs food, hardcore training and rest. How you develop that muscle, and even harder how you keep it, will be determined by your discipline, passion and dedication. Now if some people put in question the way or method used to reach that muscle, then we have to consider eating more as cheating. Because food is actually anabolic. So anybody who eats high amounts of calories to bulk up should be considered a cheater.

 

[sharkmaster]

what about guys who compete at a weight class sport or one that weight gain isnt the main goal at a high level.... steroids offer so much more than weight gain they can be used for all sorts of different reasons. sprinters, fighters, track athletes, weight lifters.... theres guys who put up big numbers and weigh less than 180!

 

[psizzle_8]

This has been debated for years. However, bottom line muscle is muscle. How you create it, is your problem. There is no such thing as cheating. With or without steroids, real muscle needs food, hardcore training and rest. How you develop that muscle, and even harder how you keep it, will be determined by your discipline, passion and dedication. Now if some people put in question the way or method used to reach that muscle, then we have to consider eating more as cheating. Because food is actually anabolic. So anybody who eats high amounts of calories to bulk up should be considered a cheater.

Amen.

 

[moya]

what about guys who compete at a weight class sport or one that weight gain isnt the main goal at a high level.... steroids offer so much more than weight gain they can be used for all sorts of different reasons. sprinters, fighters, track athletes, weight lifters.... theres guys who put up big numbers and weigh less than 180!

i was just going to post somthing up like this...
i compete in powerlifting, in untested federations, maily USPA and USPF... i could care less how big i get, as my main focus is strength...
at my last meet, my total has me within about 20lbs of elite status at the 148 weight class, lifting raw... im lucky to gain 20lbs on my squat in one cycle... its a lot of hard work at this point, and a lot of eating as well, because i have a VERY physical job that burns a lot of calories...
im not trying to press the issues here, just letting you know that there are legit uses for smaller guys to run juice... with my small frame i could probably never get to 200lbs naturally as well...

 

[sharkmaster]

i was just going to post somthing up like this...
i compete in powerlifting, in untested federations, maily USPA and USPF... i could care less how big i get, as my main focus is strength...
at my last meet, my total has me within about 20lbs of elite status at the 148 weight class, lifting raw... im lucky to gain 20lbs on my squat in one cycle... its a lot of hard work at this point, and a lot of eating as well, because i have a VERY physical job that burns a lot of calories...
im not trying to press the issues here, just letting you know that there are legit uses for smaller guys to run juice... with my small frame i could probably never get to 200lbs naturally as well...

exactly... your probably on a higher level of performance than most the big dudes who say you should be at least 200 to cycle... I do agree that people should workout for quite some time before they take that next step but i dont think a persons improvements can just be measured by weight.

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

I think anyone who uses steroids and his under 220lb +12% bf or is a joke and a big fuking pussy.. Guys who take juice are looking for a shortcut and cant take the hard way, its so easy to take roids and blow up to a massive size without much work, please dont say guys who are ON workout even harder than naturals, i've seen it happen with my own eyes, ex: last yr a buddy of mine took deca and test for 3 month without any hard work in the gym, his diet was CRAP and i mean CRAP because he was too busy selling drugs n shit he was coming to the gym 3-4 times a week and disappear came back disappear his bench went from 165 to 235 in 2 month, add 15lb of muscle and lost 5% BF without any freaking WORK.. If your not a pro bodybuilder or an elite powerlifter you should leave the roids alone, when you train natural you own the muscle and strength that you gained but if you use steroids its not you anymore you had help from roids how can you be proud of that???? Im 22 5'8 207lb 14%bf and never used any performance enhancing drugs except creatine.. Im not anti steroids at all im not saying they're dangerous or anything but its very disrespectful to those who bust their ass in the gym, eat very clean and train natural and there are guys who juice for 4 month and gain more than 2 years worth of work naturally..

PLEASE DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY THIS IS JUST MY OPINION..

Lmao!!!! Do you think we just take a bottle of testosterone and magically grow,, people on steroids work twice as hard as people who train natural, don't be upset you can't lift like us or look like us because your opinion is the reason that all this stuff in the media is said about steroids and give them a bad reputation. Just because some guy you know did some gear and got some results that you can't achieve shouldn't give you the right to call us cheaters

 

[ceo]

check out DrugsProfiles.com | Home for more info about cheating

 

[-SD-]

also see Online Pharmacy - Prescription Medications, Generic Drugs, Herbal Remedy for all your cheating ancillary product needs

 

[-SD-]

Its only cheating if you are in a competative sport. One where everyone isn't taking anabolic drugs.

If you are a bodybuilder, or just trying to be less of a burden on the eyes of those who have to look at you, it's just rational good sense.

I always used to take the stairs at work. Then I thought "why did man invent electricity? Why do we have a big brain that consumes so many calories?"
Now I take the lift. Let electricity take the strain.

Self-denial is the self-indulgence of self-denying people. I've got a feeling that the guy who started this interesting thread is quite a hardcore, total-immersion, fundamentalist purist in many of his life-choices.

When he eventually trys the roids (he's hanging around the web boards), he'll go from a prohormone cycle to injecting tren into his eyeball within a year, flaming newbies for a perceived lack of hardcore-ness!

but then you have a unfair competitive advantage to those people who are still using the stairs because they havent discovered the elevator yet
you gutdamn cheater

 

[the_alcatraz]

the only time this is cheating is if you are competing in a pro sport in which steroids are illegal, then you're cheating. It's not illegal in bodybuilding. It's not illegal in strongman events as far as I know. It's not illegal in several strength sports and most baseball players, wrestlers, fighters use it...so technically, if you dont get on, you are cheating your chances at victory.

The whole reason behind it being illegal is so pharma companies and the government can make money anyways..thats the bottom line. has nothing to do with the adverse effects of juice on your body. no one has ever been proven to have died from steroids. in fact the main causes of death around the world are all from things that are fully legal, i.e. tobacco, alcohol, etc...

 

[cuthroat]

its only cheating...if you cum twice.

 

[_Nomad]

Ever since I learned about xenoestrogens, endocrine disruptors and the prevalence of these chemicals not only in our water but our food and household items I honestly think building muscle without steroids is stupid.

 

[cuthroat]

its only cheating...if you cum twice.

lol

 

[ceo]

 

[Arabian]

lol CEO, LMAO ..

 

[stevesmi]

I did not have sexual relations with that steroid.

 

[Strongbow]

I fucking love cheating

 

[cuthroat]

I fucking love cheating on my wife with men...especially large black men.

fixed

 

[Lancer55]

fixed

hhaha

 

[brojoe714]

NO NO, I think you got confused by my post.. If you're really well built i mean jacked even with steroids thats ok, but when thers guys whos 160lb and take shit loads of juice to get 210+ lb in short amount of time then thats whats bugging me, i mean why not work hard for 2+ years to get to 210lb rather than take the shortcut and get the same results in 4 month with steroids..
You got me?

I bet i know what you do for a living..your probably one of those gay rights activist that march down the street, on a boat throwing onion garlic filled balloons at ships that kill whales, and probably have a eagles nest at the begining of a line of lumberjacks...I wish i could smack you

 

[stevesmi]

I bet i know what you do for a living..your probably one of those gay rights activist that march down the street, on a boat throwing onion garlic filled balloons at ships that kill whales, and probably have a eagles nest at the begining of a line of lumberjacks...I wish i could smack you

bro i know you are new to the board but this is the 2nd time i've seen you flame someone else and I've seen you post mis-information.

we do not do that on here. you can disagree with a poster without insulting them and calling them gay